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Death for man who kidnapped, murdered Idaho boy
Yahoo News ^ | REBECCA BOON

Posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:19 PM PDT by Soothesayer

BOISE, Idaho - A longtime sex offender was sentenced to death Wednesday for the 2005 kidnapping, torture and murder of a 9-year-old northern Idaho boy after federal jurors who watched video of some of the brutality deliberated just three hours.

The jurors' recommendation was binding on U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, who thanked them, dismissed them and then sentenced Joseph Edward Duncan III.

Relatives of the victim, Dylan Groene, remained somber as the jury's decision was announced. Duncan murdered Dylan's mother, older brother and his mother's fiance to kidnap him and his younger sister, who was sexually abused along with her brother but survived.

"We're happy with the verdict, but it's a shame — this should have been limited to one death," said Steven Groene, the father of the children. "He should have had the courage and the guts to kill himself before killing anyone else."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: boy; child; deathpenalty; deathsentence; kidnapped; sexoffender
There are so many horrors mentioned here in this story it is beyond any words that can be conjured. How did Duncan manage to get away with all these atrocities? What does that say about the human race in general if we take over 20 years before we start to give a s***? After hearing this story, how can one be grateful to be born into this hopelessly evil and absurd world? I am not grateful to be alive.
1 posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:20 PM PDT by Soothesayer
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To: Soothesayer

My hope he is given what he gave while he is in prison.


2 posted on 08/27/2008 4:14:05 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Soothesayer

We all know where that monster will end. He’ll be tortured like that poor boy was for all eternity.


3 posted on 08/27/2008 4:15:38 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Soothesayer

I saw a picture of the murderer, and he looks like the epitome of evil. His actions make me believe that the devil is a real spiritual force in the world.

I cannot see how anyone who reads the details of this case can possibly be for a total ban on capital punishment. The Catholic Church is dead wrong on this issue (which, by the way, totally disproves papal infallibility).


4 posted on 08/27/2008 4:16:26 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: Soothesayer
He didn't get away with it. I remember this case well, it was all over the news, nationwide. Thank God the girl survived.

As to your not being grateful to be alive, if you were not, there would be one less who gives a _____. On the other side of the coin, you can be active to get laws written to protect children, and keep scum like this in jail when they hurt one of “His” little ones. This kind of pathological perversion is not fixable. This was NOT also, this scums first offense.

5 posted on 08/27/2008 4:16:50 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Soothesayer

I volunteer to kill the SOB.


6 posted on 08/27/2008 4:18:54 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Soothesayer
I am not grateful to be alive.

Oh, please, there are prayers daily for FReepers that would be more than grateful for a few more years.

Duncan's a monster, like the Green River killer or Arthur Shawcross. There's not that many of them, but they are memorable. The jury did their duty.

7 posted on 08/27/2008 4:19:21 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Soothesayer
It appears a judge in MN let him out just prior to these murders on $15K bond. Like to find out who this judge is and send him a card.

Wikipedia

In 2004, Duncan was charged with groping the genitals of a six-year-old boy. He was arrested in April 2005 in Minnesota. The judge granted bail at $15,000. A businessman in Fargo, Joe Crary, gave Duncan money for bail.[1] When freed, he skipped bail.


8 posted on 08/27/2008 4:23:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (A kid at McDonalds has more real-world work experience than Barack Hussein.)
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To: Soothesayer
I knew when this maggot fought to defend himself, he sealed his fate. Sad thing is, I think he did it so that he can use that to file appeals.

Hopefully someone in the prison population will do us all a favor... and do it slowly and painfully.

9 posted on 08/27/2008 4:23:20 PM PDT by PrivateIdaho ("... like a wild potato.")
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To: docbnj

Moronic statement—You need to bone up on what Papal infallibility means.

I don’t believe the Church has an official position—ex-Cathedra, or infallible, against the death penalty.

And the Bishops don’t speak for the Pope. He speaks for himself.

Thanks for playing, though.


10 posted on 08/27/2008 4:28:24 PM PDT by moonhawk (Pre-order your "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!" bumper stickers here on Free Republic now.)
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To: docbnj
"The Catholic Church is dead wrong on this issue (which, by the way, totally disproves papal infallibility)."

No infallible pronouncements concerning the death penalty exist.

11 posted on 08/27/2008 4:46:26 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Soothesayer
There are so many horrors mentioned here in this story it is beyond any words that can be conjured.

This is one thing I do not understand from your comment. How do you know about the horrors this criminal commited unless they were conveyed to you in words?

How did Duncan manage to get away with all these atrocities?

He didn't get away with these atrocities. He has been found guilt of them and will be executed.

What does that say about the human race in general if we take over 20 years before we start to give a s***?

Well, it might say that a just society is more patient than a society ruled by immediate revenge.

After hearing this story, how can one be grateful to be born into this hopelessly evil and absurd world? I am not grateful to be alive.

That is a quite natural observation of the world and its life, backed by a quite natural attitude. This is what I would call the stoic or Buddhist attitude. Life is a mistake filled with suffering. The solution is to escape life.

There is of course the other attitude that I would call nature worship. Since nature contains both beauty and cruelty, it is permissible to pursue both. The criminal in this case seems to have pursued both, using murder to pursue sexual gratification.

But there is a third attitude that I will call Aristotelian, thought the word by itself is somewhat ambiguous since people of rather differing philosophies have called themselves Aristotelians. But what I mean by this is a recognition that the world is real, but not perfect. The world is, however, potentially perfect. Therefore life is worth living because it has its source in perfection.

12 posted on 08/27/2008 4:47:11 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Soothesayer
"A longtime sex offender....."

That is the answer. He was not put away permanently or killed soon enough.

Joseph E. Duncan III

"Early criminal history

Duncan has a long history as a violent sexual predator, and was clinically diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder in 1980, while in prison for raping a younger boy at gunpoint.

In 2004, Duncan was charged with groping the genitals of a six-year-old boy. He was arrested in April 2005 in Minnesota. The judge granted bail at $15,000. A businessman in Fargo, Joe Crary, gave Duncan money for bail.[1] When freed, he skipped bail......."

The system had a chance and it failed.

13 posted on 08/27/2008 4:47:25 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Soothesayer
I'm not grateful to be alive.

I would recommend that you get closer to the Lord Jesus, The Christ.

14 posted on 08/27/2008 5:15:08 PM PDT by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: VeniVidiVici
A businessman in Fargo, Joe Crary,

Maybe another pedophile/murderer? Wonder why else this man would give Duncan money for his bail.

15 posted on 08/27/2008 5:16:36 PM PDT by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: stripes1776

“There is of course the other attitude that I would call nature worship. Since nature contains both beauty and cruelty, it is permissible to pursue both. The criminal in this case seems to have pursued both, using murder to pursue sexual gratification.”

This is truly the most disturbing and sick thing I’ve ever read on here. In fact, nothing I’ve ever read on FR even comes close to this. This is an example of the types of things I’ve read on liberal forums where they love and defend vicious, cruel murderers. The criminal just pursuing both “beauty and cruelty” and since “nature contains both beauty and cruelty, it is permissible to pursue both”.

Since you did not put any distance between your own positions and the one you call “nature worship”, which any decent person would do in no uncertain terms, then I think you have some explaining to do.


16 posted on 08/27/2008 5:21:42 PM PDT by LaurenD
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To: DallasDeb

Either that or another bleeding heart.


17 posted on 08/27/2008 5:22:35 PM PDT by Soothesayer (I'm breaking out of this hand basket!)
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To: docbnj

I don’t think the Catholic Church is always against the death penalty.


18 posted on 08/27/2008 5:25:50 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Soothesayer

I did some research. Turns out he was a sex partner with Duncan, as was a Dr. Wacksman who also gave him $6,500 at some point in his criminal career, for legal services. The Doc is a pediatrician. He offered to let Duncan stay in his home where he had 2 young children. Courts wouldn’t let him put his kids at risk that way. The Doc and Duncan met at a tea room in San Francisco—guess for what purpose? Easy to answer. It’s a place for anonymous gay sex.


19 posted on 08/27/2008 5:29:40 PM PDT by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: LaurenD
The only reason I ever look at articles like these is to see if there is a lesson to be learned on how to avoid someone like this.

Amazing to think that so many "respectable" men were involved - they share some responsibility for these atrocities.

This is certainly a reminder that this is a fallen world.

20 posted on 08/27/2008 5:41:47 PM PDT by elk
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To: Soothesayer; DoughtyOne; doug from upland
He also receives final justice for the brutal murder of Anthony Michael Martinez. When Anthony disappeared I was a young mother in Southern California and I was devastated by his death. I prayed for years that his killer would be found, it was a very cold case.

Prayers answered.

21 posted on 08/27/2008 5:47:14 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: csvset

I would gladly assist you..how’s tonight look ?


22 posted on 08/27/2008 5:50:25 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: bboop; docbnj; Huber
I don’t think the Catholic Church is always against the death penalty.

It certainly hasn't always been against the death penalty.

23 posted on 08/27/2008 5:52:57 PM PDT by sionnsar (Obama? Bye-den! |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: PrivateIdaho
Sad thing is, I think he did it so that he can use that to file appeals.

Not if we arpaio him out (put him in general population, making sure that the other inmates see news coverage of the trial). End of problem.

24 posted on 08/27/2008 5:54:15 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Soothesayer

“Joseph Edward Duncan III”

With a name like that, I’m surprised he isn’t in politics!

Don’t give up hope. There’s more Good in this world than Evil. If there wasn’t, we’d all be sunk.

Give yourself a “Media Break.” It’ll clear your head and restore your faith in humanity. I do it every few weeks. :)


25 posted on 08/27/2008 5:58:26 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: LaurenD
Since you did not put any distance between your own positions and the one you call “nature worship”, which any decent person would do in no uncertain terms, then I think you have some explaining to do.

That is a false conclusion on your part. I didn't state my position because I thought it would be obvious from the three attitudes I listed. The first was stoic, Buddhist, or Manichean. It is a rejection of life because all is evil and suffering. Is that your position? It sounds like it from your original comment. But perhaps you only gave vent to some momentary feeling of disgust at a brutal crime.

The second I called nature worship because it pursues beauty and cruelty together. That not only covers this criminal's behavior, but is a sort of warning to any simplistic attitude that claims it can pursue only the beauty of nature without at some point making a claim on cruelty as well. Nature is a beautiful and at the same time a very cruel mistress.

I think there is something brilliant in the Aristotelian point of view. Nature is not perfect. It is subject to decay, corruption, and death, but its source is from perfection. And it has the potential for perfection. Perfection is nature's goal or end. That is why life is not simply meaningless change or flux.

A person can embrace whichever attitude he finds most convincing. Life is a matter of free choice. That also comes with Aristotle. That is why people are responsible for there actions. But then a determinist would say there is no choice at all, and no one is responsible for their actions. It seems to me that this determinist idea goes along with nature worship.

If you are still unclear what my position is, let me state it explicitly. I am not a determinist. And no, I do not believe in Karma. I am not a Buddhist either. I stand on the side of Aristotle (and on the milder side of his teacher Plato.)

26 posted on 08/27/2008 6:30:49 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: moonhawk
I don’t believe the Church has an official position—ex-Cathedra, or infallible, against the death penalty.

For a church without an official position, they seem quite opinionated about capital punishment. What's your idea of an official position? And, early Popes had a different view than modern ones.

Modern Catholic views on capital punishment

historic catholic view on capital punishment

27 posted on 08/27/2008 6:58:19 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: AnnaZ

Thanks for the reminder Anna. I just wish they would carry out the sentence within six months.


28 posted on 08/27/2008 7:26:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 3, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: DoughtyOne

They should send Casey Anthony up there and make it a doubleheader.


29 posted on 08/27/2008 7:32:35 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

What do you mean by “the Church?”
That is the crux of the issue. Only the Pope in concert with the college of Cardinals can speak infallibly, if my limited grasp of doctrine serves me well.

A bunch of Bishops is just that, a bunch of Bishops, whose pronouncements may or may not line up with Official doctrine.


30 posted on 08/27/2008 9:50:13 PM PDT by moonhawk (Pre-order your "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!" bumper stickers here on Free Republic now.)
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To: Soothesayer
Disturbing, yes. I'm from where it happened and it's been on my mind for quite awhile now. It won't be of much comfort to the victims or their families, but I think that Duncan is a bit of an aberration, a case of pure evil that is fortunately fairly rare, not quite human in any ordinary sense. You could put terms like "sociopath" to it but they really don't explain it.

This - individual - hunted (with night-vision goggles, this was long prepared) and murdered a family so he could get at its two most defenseless members, who he grossly abused, tortured, and one of whom he murdered. If there is an evil more pure than that I cannot imagine it.

This thing needs to depart the company of human beings as quickly as might be effected. No hatred, passion, torture, retribution, it simply needs to die. It, and we, will be better off.

31 posted on 08/27/2008 10:06:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Yes...until the next thing gets spawned. Rinse and repeat. No family is safe here on Concentration Camp Earth.


32 posted on 08/28/2008 5:44:03 AM PDT by Soothesayer (I'm breaking out of this hand basket!)
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To: Soothesayer
Without evil, there can be no good. We only perceive evil in contrast to good.

For every Jeffery Daumer, there are hundreds, nay, thousands, of compassionate, warm, normal human beings. Christian theologians have always had a hard time explaining the existence, often the seeming ascendancy of evil in the world, so I won't even try.

When I read a story like this it makes me think how much I love my grandson, how precious a gift he really is. Hug your children, your nephews and nieces, your grandchildren and say a pray for this poor family. A better Christian than me would implore you to say a prayer for the killer as well.

Whatever you do, do not give in the easy seduction of despair.

33 posted on 08/28/2008 5:54:14 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It is very true that even the greatest evils can be turned into something good by the power of God if a benevolent God truly exists. Unfortunately, I am an atheist and I do not believe in God. If this particular God (or God type) does not exist, then evil is nothing but absurdity. This is something that existentialist philosophers ( like Søren Kierkegaard, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Albert Camus) have tried to come to terms with but to no avail in my opinion. I think about God every moment of every day desperately trying to find a way to believe. Maybe someday I’ll get my wish but I currently have nothing but a fool’s hope and not much of that.


34 posted on 08/28/2008 12:36:56 PM PDT by Soothesayer (I'm breaking out of this hand basket!)
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