Skip to comments.Why in God's name are Ramos and Compean still in prison?!
Posted on 08/28/2008 1:44:28 PM PDT by djsherin
I heard Glenn Beck talking about them the other day and I was thinking about their situation... what did these men do wrong?! They are in prison for doing their jobs. This goes beyond tying one hand behind our border patrol agents' backs; this is like lopping their arms off and kicking them on the ground.
These men literally did nothing wrong yet they sit rotting in federal prison for more than a decade. The leaders of the country they swore to protect have betrayed them both and have left them to a horrible fate. I can think of no reason they shouldn't be let out immediately. I even read that some Democrats have argued for their release. The 2 men themselves won't seek a pardon because to do so would admit guilt. They are troopers to be sure.
I pray for these men and their families. No one that does their job and enforces the law should be convicted solely on the statements of a foreign national drug runner. This case disgusts me and further erodes my confidence in our leadership. I hope Ramos and Compean know that they have our support. I can only imagine the bitter resentment they feel, and if they aren't bitter or resentful, they are better men than I could ever be in that situation.
RIGHT. Tiny, tiny cajones made of swiss cheese.
Or because he just didn't want to do the paperwork. The seemed to be a bit lax in following regulations there. There really wasn't any evidence they knew they had hit the suspect. They saw him climb into a car on the Mexican side that picked him up.
The suspect's testimony was also not very consistent, and parts of it weren't even close to believable.
Ramos assisted in the coverup and then lied in an official inquiry along with Compean in order to cover up the circumstances of what had occurred.
He didn't report discharging his weapon. I don't remember evidence of him covering up the incident beyond that, nor do I remember hearing that he lied during the inquiry.
I do kind of remember hearing that Compean's statements in the inquiry weren't perfectly consistent.
Neither the agents, nor the suspect ended up with much credibility. The suspect said he didn't have a gun or anything in his hand that could have been mistaken for a gun. Compean said he saw a gun, but the jury obviously didn't believe him because he had destroyed his own credibility. However, I really don't understand how they could have believed the suspect either, so I don't understand how the case was proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Of course the suspect was also allowed to lie on the stand and make it sound like he had innocently gotten caught up in this one drug delivery because he desperately needed the money, but that the was an innocent, law abiding person other than that.
They already had evidence that he had taken in another load at the time of the trial, but the jury was not allowed to hear about that. At least he wasn't granted immunity for that other incident and was convicted. However, his sentence was only 57 months.
There are only three people in this world who know if he was unarmed, two former Border Patrol Agents and one convicted drug smuggler.
Has McCain weighed in on Ramos/Compean?
We have only the involved criminal's word on this.
The same criminal that Sutton's office presented to the jury as a one time smuggler just trying to get money for an operation for his sick mother, all the while Sutton knew that it was a lie.
“Thank you, Jorge Bush, great job.”
Thankfully both Barrack Obama and John McCain will work tirelessly to secure the border and clean up the miss. [/sarc]
So at least how about giving them a real trial, without testimony from Bush's paid stable of drug runner buddies?
You are exactly right. They paid a heavy price for being lazy and not wanting to simply write a memo. Although I still think that charging them with possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony (which carried the mandatory 10 year sentence) was underhanded and unethical.
Their job description included covering up evidence of their shooting? Letting a drug smuggler escape?
That is false. It is spin. Not only had the law been used against LEO's, but it had been used against LEO's in that very jurisdiction.
The defendants therefore advance the argument* that the application of the statute to the facts of this case is novel, i.e., did not provide them with fair warning, because its application here frustrates the statutes legislative purpose, has no support in the cases of this circuit, and makes for bad public policy. [footnote ommitted] But cases in our circuit have permitted application of § 924(c)(1)(A) to police officers. See, e.g., United States v. Williams, 343 F.3d 423 (5th Cir. 2003); United States v. Winters 105 F.3d 200 (5th Cir. 1997)._____
I guess you don't need to know who they shot at or why they shot, just so long as you heard the shots? LOL!
(Full disclosure: I didn’t reread 924). My understanding is that the statute is triggered when a gun is used in a crime of violence, meaning that a consideration of the severity of the violent crime is outside the purview of the statute.
The cover-up was probably because of bad shooting. If R & C were good shots, they would be free today and there would one less Messkin drug dealer.
“He failed to file the report and tampered with the evidence precisely because he knew that what he had done was against the law.”
So he told you that’s why he did it....precisely? That’s not what I’ve heard at all. The reports said that they were required to file a report with their supervisor...except that their supervisor was THERE.
The criminal part of all of this is that this President sees fit to leave these patriots in jail while the REAL criminal gets free passes into the US courtesy of the taxpayer to be a witness against them. And, of course, we don’t let the jury know that he’s a multiple times drug runner THUG doing what he does best. He deserved more than a slug in the butt.
If R & C were good shots, they would be free today and there would one less Messkin drug dealer................................And if they had they would have been guilty of murder.
You are advocating murder is OK? Yes the guy was a POS, yes he was running drugs, last time I looked we don’t shoot them in the back as a form of punishment. This was two dumb cops that couldn’t cover up what they did that they knew was wrong. The main reason they are in jail is cuz they were just plain stupid.
From what I understood their supervisors knew what was going on. I didn’t realize they were still required to file a report. Seems like a slap on the wrist thing though to me with maybe some suspension time.
Ramos is a fine shot. Compean? I don’t know what to say . . . he either panicked or went Rambo.