Posted on 08/28/2008 9:55:11 PM PDT by valkyry1
Obama outlined, in the vaguest terms possible, countless billions or trillions of new federal spending. How would he pay for it? By "closing corporate loopholes"--like what? The idea that Obama's orgy of spending can be funded by "closing corporate loopholes" is frankly childish. By increasing taxes on the top 5% of taxpayers, i.e., precisely those who are grossly over-taxed already. The top 5% already pay 60% of all federal income taxes. And by "eliminating programs that no longer work." Really? Which ones? No one seriously imagines that Obama--let alone the Democratic Congress!--has any intention of eliminating any significant government programs.
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It was effective ineffective demagoguery.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Not sure what you said, but I agree. ;-)
ineffective; because he did not give America any credit at all for being the greatest country in the world, the only country everyone turns to when they’re in trouble, and for kicking the OTHER Hussein out of existence. Failing that, it was a bullshit speech, and everyone knows it.
For me, his speech was summed up with his claim that he was READY TO DEBATE MCCAIN.
I’ve heard that before and saw that his WORD did not translate to ACTIONS. But then, such WORDS are often used to manipulate crowds...
So I effected you ineffectively? :^]
EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY. I said this in another thread. Absolutely ineffective and I believe this is mostly true for independents that were looking for more and walked away disappointed.<p. It is a given we are cynical or even nervously looking even more so for the positive and that many of the true believers enjoyed watching him and hearing him talk their talk, but in the end, I do not think he hit it as far as he could have for any of us, especially those sitting on the fence. The Clinton women and independent moderates will go for the man with experience and a proven record to not take this country off course and into socialism.
I would take many trillions to pay for all of his programs. There’s not enough taxes to pay for them all.
That man is John McCann and I didn’t mean us as cynical as much as I meant to say we do not agree with his liberal manifesto know way no how, so he couldn’t snooker us with the hot air that was only luke warm at best.
And did he mention anything about safe borders?
He can manipulate certain crowds, that much is certain.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Don’t people understand that high corporate taxes are EXACTLY WHY AMERICAN CORPORATIONS ARE MOVING OFFSHORE?
Tax business any more and the rest of our economy and good paying jobs will leave also.
It was very effective demagoguery. Reason and logic can’t hold a candle to raw emotion. And this huckster delivers it in spades.
“Obama outlined, in the vaguest terms possible, countless billions or trillions of new federal spending. How would he pay for it?”
Wish someone had asked Dubya that when he was proposing such expensive “compassionate” nonsense as the free pills for granny act or the NCLB boondoggle or the billions in Africa AIDS money...ect ect
Private property in the means of production. The workers control the means of production. They have nothing to lose but their chains...
You know the rest.
They are communists. They haven't had a new idea since 1848.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
He is really not Presidential material. Neither is he Senatorial material.
Oh thats right, he is all for gay marriage and fighting aids. whoop de doo
All I know is I don’t want a “keeper”...brother, sister, or whatever.
I got that creepy feeling like he is making us a cult and we need “minders.”
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Evan though I have been known for the exuberance of my verbosity … I think you have won the game. ;-).
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
//It was very effective demagoguery. Reason and logic can’t hold a candle to raw emotion//
And we can all point to catastrophes where that worked to get in office.
Actually, the seats in the stadium were rigged with electric prods. The Obama camp choreographed the entire display by shocking their cattle after Obama delivered each pontification.
You hurt your what?! :^)
That and various chemical enhancements :-)
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Yes! ;-)
I listened and did not watch. Without the visuals it seemed very disjointed at times, and just jumping from one thing to another without any connectivity.
It was just a fire hose of everything they wanted to hear.
He blew it with what line about experience though, he was talking about himself on national TV!
Okay Alan GreenSpan ;)
Whoa, look at these pictures of NoBama
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2070350/posts
http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=1011
Pretty mediocre speech I thought. Definitely not his A game, and judging from his body language afterwards, he knew it.
BTW, I watched the coverage on PBS. When the speech was over and folks were coming up on stage for the final bow, one of the commentators — I think it was the chubby historian (I can’t remember his name) — had an open mic and was saying in hushed tones “Smile, smile, smile”. It was funny because that’s exactly what I was thinking at that moment - “you should be smiling, Barack”. Then the commentator said, in hushed tones again but this time obviously speaking to someone next to him, “I think Barack is thinking of his mother”. They were seeing the same thing I was seeing, which was that he looked a little down.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Both of the Clintons topped NoBama IMO
Looking at those pictures, the guy was really pissed off about something. I mean he really looked mad.
He might have started channeling reverend Wright had the teleprompter failed.
“It would take many trillions to pay for all of his programs. There’s not enough taxes to pay for them all.”
That’s never stopped a socialist before. With the blessing and power of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury, he could inflate the money supply as much as he wanted in order to “pay” for his programs. When that spending inevitably results in a general rise in prices, he could give a speech on the evils of capitalism and the greed of corporations, and push for price controls. When those price controls inevitably result in shortages of goods, he could give another speech on the evils of capitalism and the greed of corporations (who will be accused of “sitting on supply”) and push for rationing.
From his standpoint, it’s a good thing that present tax revenues will not cover future government expenditures. It creates exactly the excuse he will need to control more of our lives and curtail more of our individual liberties.
Definitely not in their league. Not even in his own league IMO. I predict his flat speech tonight haunts him for the rest of his life. My perception seems to be an outlier though. But I did notice that Andrew McCarthy at NRO thought he delivered a clunker.
Obama has revealed how defensive and thin skinned a whiner he is.
I think just wait for the debates. McCains team will set him up, and McCain will goad him over the edge in the debates (I Hope)
The classic Fascist forces the entrepreneur to allow the gov't to **control** the means of production (and, conveniently, leave the cost of proper maintenance to the entrepreneur). Hitler, for one, was quite explicit about this:
''We do not care who may own a business or a factory; our socialism goes much, much deeper.''
Or, if you like, read Hitler's address to the NSDAP conclave at Nurnberg, 1 May 1927 for a more detailed picture.
Am glad to see I am not the only one who thought he came across as one angry dude.
I thought the speech was ridiculous. I am surprised Bambi did not promise to spin straw into gold.
It was was ridiculous.
Bambi’s promise to spin straw into gold will happen tomorrow during the followup photo op
eliminating redundant and wasteful government programs.
When you have the power of Obama diplomacy you don’t need
a standing military...
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