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Dems say Palin is 'risky,' could be a disaster (Yes a, Disaster for the dRats)
CNN ^ | 8/29/08 | CNN

Posted on 08/29/2008 9:41:48 AM PDT by onlylewis

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To: onlylewis
lkast view of DNC HQ.. a disaster indeed... lmao
151 posted on 08/29/2008 11:01:18 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: onlylewis

Yeah, McCain should have followed their advice and picked Lieberman. After all, we all know how much the MSM cares about Republicans and wants them to win.


152 posted on 08/29/2008 11:02:37 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: sodpoodle
The Hillary supporters are not all sewn up for the Dems, although they try to spin it. When you look at the blogs for Hillary, they are excited that McCain chose a woman and all I saw was negatives about Obambi. It is dem spin, the Hillary supporters are still pissed off, the Rat Fest did not change their opinions and I bet they will be voting for McCain in a large number especially now.

I don't know what poll it was, but there was a poll for women announced on Fox, asking them what the top issues are in their choice for President and the top thing was economy, abortion was 3rd on the list and only got 3% which was a surprise to Martha as she read the polls results.

So Rats spin it all you want, the truth is we got a better ticket and our base is no longer divided! You guys are toast!
153 posted on 08/29/2008 11:03:12 AM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: Jaguarmike
Has the man ever run anything in his life?

I believe when Obama lived in Hawaii, he ran a LEMONADE stand - and asked the GOVERNMENT to bail him out!! :-)

If you are talking about Biden, he ran a hairdryer!!

154 posted on 08/29/2008 11:05:02 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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To: Chunga

And the Alaska Journal of Commerce talks about the $1200 rebate — so, yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, or Santa Clausette as the case may be:

http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/081708/oil_20080817028.shtml

So, have I done enough heavy lifting on the ‘do your research for you’ front that anyone would care to address the policy implications of Governor Palin’s positions on these matters?


155 posted on 08/29/2008 11:05:44 AM PDT by newroark
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To: Jaguarmike
Has the man ever run anything in his life?

You mean besides his mouth?
156 posted on 08/29/2008 11:09:30 AM PDT by jimmango
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
I AM PSYCHED!!!

My sentiments exactly.

I was really really impressed.

I think had the dems had any inkling of this choice O'Bama's would have been different.

McCain pulled the rope-a-dope on them. All the usual repubs mentioned, O'Bama chooses Biden, a Washington insider and unlikeable one at that.
Then he springs a breath of fresh air on the Country.

Hooray to McCain!!

157 posted on 08/29/2008 11:11:01 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: newroark

Who did you want McCain to choose?


158 posted on 08/29/2008 11:11:32 AM PDT by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: jveritas

“Even before Palin pick McCain was certain to win the elections.”

Nothing is certain until it happens. I said in June that McCain *could* win *if* he did his campaign right.

Well, McCain is executing a brilliant and flawless campaign so far:
- Knocked Obama off-message with his mocking celeb ad.
- Got on board the drill now campaign
- Smoked Obama in the Saddleback forum.
- Obama made a dreadful pick of Biden, giving McCain an opening for the Hillary voters
- McCain made an inspired pick here that both excites the conservative base and will have appeal to independent voters, especially the downscale cultural conservative white voters clinging to guns, God and family

Sarah Palin is so exceedingly ‘normal’ that any attempts to paint her otherwise will backfire.

McCain is on track to a good solid win if he keeps up the momentum and can peel back the bogosity of Obama’s empty change message. Obama gave a good speech, his performance is on a par with Clinton 1992 so dont underestimate him, and it will win him the election if not responded to properly. But McCain appears up for the job.

MCCAIN/PALIN. Way to go!


159 posted on 08/29/2008 11:13:09 AM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: Chunga; newroark; jwalsh07
newroark will only be happy when Ayn Rand rises from the dead and is chosen as the veep pick by Harry Brown.

Heh heh.

But seriously, let's review.

Newroark claimed that Palin doubled taxes on oil operators in Alaska.

That's completely false.

He linked to an article on hotair which quotes the complaints of a PR flak for BP.

BP is the company whose shoddy work caused a corroded pipeline that created at 200,000+ gallon oil spill in Alaska.

Translation: they're really bad tenants.

Governor Palin backed legislation to increase BP's corporate tax from 22.5% to 25% - I'm not sure what math translates that to a "doubling" of tax.

That's still quite low by almost any jurisdiction's standards, and after this tax bill was passed, Alaska was still named 4th best state in the nation by The Tax Foundation - an anti-tax watchdog organization.

Alaska, as most people know, pays its inhabitants a dividend each year from their profits as part owners of the state's oil fields.

In 2008, Governor Palin increased this by $1200 to reflect the increased pipeline revenue the state was earning.

Basically, Sarah Palin raised the rent 10% on the extremely lucrative property BP and ConocoPhilips are leasing from the state of Alaska.

She's a smart asset manager and is getting a better yield from the portfolio of state assets that it's her job to run.

160 posted on 08/29/2008 11:14:19 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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This ugly wench with a huge nose (I don’t like being mean but she is really ugly) from Obambi’s camp is spinning so much and Martha McCallum is really giving it to her as to the experience factor between Palin and Bambi. The dems are trying to say that Palin is inexperienced!!! That is the pot calling the kettle black in a huge way...this is too funny and will piss women off because it does seem that since Bambi is a man HE is more qualified than a woman who is a Governor! The Hillary supporters have been pissed about sexism and this shows they have not learned their lesson. I hope they keep it up as it will help us to get more dems voting for our guy! They are running scared and they know their base is not fired up as they try to protray, they are divided and have lost a lot of the Hillary supporters. Some that said they were just going to stay home are now saying they want McCain, many of them are saying that they are done with the DNC and are saying nice stuff about the RNC. It is like their liberal eyes are finally opening! Hallelujah! It’s a miracle! LOL


161 posted on 08/29/2008 11:14:44 AM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: calex59

“Not only was she a mayor for several terms she beat the crap out of republican corrupt officials and forced them to resign, and stopping the bridge to nowhere in her spare time.”

Preach it, bro!

Obama needs to run something bigger than an ACORN protest and his Senate staff before knocking on her experience.

Obama talked the talk, she walks the walk.

PUMA - Palin unqualified my a**!


162 posted on 08/29/2008 11:17:22 AM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: teletech
You think it's a brilliant pick but you will have to wait and see what the rest of voting America thinks. THEY may not agree with you.

You are at the wrong website, teletech. The DailyKook is down the hall!!

163 posted on 08/29/2008 11:22:12 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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To: newroark; Chunga; jwalsh07
anyone would care to address the policy implications of Governor Palin’s positions on these matters?

I'd love to.

First, I'll point out that the State of Alaska owns the Prudhoe Bay oilfields and the oil companies who lease the fields are renters and not owners.

As renters, they are essentially business partners of Alaska, or contractors who have bid for the opportunity to use Alaska's resources.

Alaska, as owner of the property, has the right to raise the rent on the property as they see fit, or do anything else that will help Alaska - the owner - to maximize its profits.

The more Alaska maximizes the profits from the asset it owns, the less of a tax burden it has to place on the assets its citizens own.

So while the rent Alaska charges is called a "tax" it isn't quite the same as when a government taxes someone else's property to charge them for the privilege of using their own property.

In this case, Alaska is charging rent to the comapnies that want to use Alaska's property.

And, as a taxpayer, I think the best possible outcome is for a state executive to maximize the profits from a state asset to fund the state budget rather than tax my assets to fund the state budget.

BTW, your second "research" link does not discuss the oil field tax increase - but it does discuss the fuel tax decrease that Governor Palin put through to give relief to the Alaskan taxpayer.

164 posted on 08/29/2008 11:27:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

That was a home run wideawake.


165 posted on 08/29/2008 11:30:40 AM PDT by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: andy58-in-nh
I'll bet this guy is so scared, tonight he'll drive his Subaru Forrester into a lamppost.

That is an insult to SUBARU drivers who are conservatives!! (Yes, wife has one when she need to go to the big city (Portland, Maine).

Subaru are good cars. They are thinking about making a PickUp.

166 posted on 08/29/2008 11:32:28 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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To: LegalEagle61

********The Hillary supporters are not all sewn up for the Dems, although they try to spin it.******

I know;) just spent an hour reading the posts on one of the links upthread - every poster is soooooooo psyched about Palin and ready to donate & work to elect McCain-Palin. Some have dismissed the pro-choice issue as a non-issue - that they are no longer beholden to the Dems.
I believe McCain will be voted in by a landslide - his choice of Sarah Palin will demonstrate how much better he understands the American voter than *Obama bin Biden Time*


167 posted on 08/29/2008 11:36:34 AM PDT by sodpoodle ("Have faith in God...but keep your powder dry." Oliver Cromwell)
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To: Chunga
Thanks.

BTW, Here's the perfect McCain campaign response to any claim that Palin is inexperienced:

"Well, Sarah Palin is a first-term Governor. And Barack Obama is a first-term Senator. But I guess Obama must be more experienced than she is, because he's a man."

That should get the Hillary people going.

168 posted on 08/29/2008 11:36:48 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Jaguarmike
Has the man ever run anything in his life?

This morning, the talking heads on MSNBC were talking about Obama's "experience" with running a campaign for 18 months; Obama's "experience" with planning his Grand Oversees Tour; Obama's "experience" with arranging the events during his rally last night.

Obama should run for the office of events planner.

169 posted on 08/29/2008 11:39:24 AM PDT by syriacus (Barry schmoozed with public housing developers as his constituents bailed sewage from housing sinks.)
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To: wideawake

BTW, Here’s the perfect McCain campaign response to any claim that Palin is inexperienced:

“Well, Sarah Palin is a first-term Governor. And Barack Obama is a first-term Senator. But I guess Obama must be more experienced than she is, because he’s a man.”
***Ok, that’s a good one. I’m bumping it here so I don’t have to hunt for it later on & try to remember who posted it.


170 posted on 08/29/2008 11:39:37 AM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: syriacus
Oversees = Overseas
171 posted on 08/29/2008 11:41:54 AM PDT by syriacus (Barry schmoozed with public housing developers as his constituents bailed sewage from housing sinks.)
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To: nonsporting

And the union blue collar vote


172 posted on 08/29/2008 11:46:08 AM PDT by pangaea6
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To: MaineConservative

I know that there are Conservatives who drive them, but you can’t tell me that you haven’t noticed the considerable number of Subarus on I-95 with Obama/End This War/1-21-09 bumper stickers on them. But perhaps I ought to have selected the Prius (Pious) instead.


173 posted on 08/29/2008 11:52:59 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.)
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To: LegalEagle61

The very fact that this is the discussion only 18 hour after Obama’s Biggest Speech of the Year is GREAT TIMING by the McCain campaign.

They are spinning desperately and they are losing it!
The message was supposed to be ‘change’ vs “same”. If they go after a woman Governor who has been 3000 miles away from DC as not experienced enough, even though she has more experience than Obama, they have destroyed their own campaign!!!


174 posted on 08/29/2008 11:53:13 AM PDT by WOSG (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: wideawake

Regrettably, you are utterly incorrect.

The State of Alaska owns the mineral rights to all lands in the former federal territory of Alaska. That was in the original Statehood Act. As owner, the State leases exploration, development and production rights to private companies on various terms. And as the owner of the mineral rights it leases subject to royalty payments — an ownership share amounts of which vary and on terms which are perfectly normal for any land owner, public or private. The taxes, on the other hand, are imposed on the private companies and their production by the State of Alaska acting as sovereign.

The federal government has exactly the same system in place for federal lands and I daresay few here (I almost said “no one here” but I had to rethink that after reading a few of these posts) would argue that an increase in federal taxes on the offshore oil industry would be ‘okay’ because, after all, the federal government owns the oil in the first place, so it’s not really a tax increase.

As to the amount of the tax increase, focusing on the rate change is only a part of the story. Oil prices have historically been volatile, and from the late 1980’s until just a couple of years ago had been running at very low rates on inflation-adjusted bases. Of course nobody bled for the oil industry (nor should they have) because that’s what markets do. However, when you put a tax increase into place, as Governor Palin did, just when a counter-balancing (and almost certainly temporary, again on a long term inflation-adjusted basis) run up in prices takes place, you are taking the reinvestment money out of the pocket of industry and putting into the hands of the state government. And, as the cited sources point out, the rate at which you are taking those funds is at the level of billions of dollars per year.

If you value Palin’s position on abortion and gun rights more than you do her positions on economic policy, by all means, do so. But facts are facts and some folks here really don’t want to face them.


175 posted on 08/29/2008 12:13:36 PM PDT by newroark
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To: PapaBear3625

Thank you for posting that great link - some of those PUMA women seem a lot like FReeper moms after all is said & done.

Especially love the comments on the order of “If she has raised 5 children she can run the country”

sod


176 posted on 08/29/2008 12:18:44 PM PDT by sodpoodle ("Have faith in God...but keep your powder dry." Oliver Cromwell)
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To: sodpoodle

The webmaster of the Hillary site appears to have made the discussion forum unaccessible to unregistered users. I think the level of grass-roots support for Palin from the PUMA crowd may be freaking out the Dem establishment


177 posted on 08/29/2008 2:29:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: sodpoodle
Now there's a thread on hillaryclintonforum.net with people saying they are going to vote for McCain
178 posted on 08/29/2008 2:37:29 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: sodpoodle
Now there's a thread on hillaryclintonforum.net with people saying they are going to vote for McCain

Now they have Palin t-shirts going on sale:


179 posted on 08/29/2008 2:40:36 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: MaineConservative
You are at the wrong website, teletech. The DailyKook is down the hall!!

Nice try. I've been here since 3/98 and I am as conservative as they come. I really hope Gov. Palin works out for McCain but time will tell. She is a true conservative and she is VERY capable but she is also unknown.

180 posted on 08/29/2008 5:54:16 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Recent polls show Americans are more conservative than TV pundits think they are. Palin will bring in those people, women and those that see Obama as an arrogant, empty suit. Polls show Obama tanking. Women who would’ve voted for Hillary will vote for McCain because of Palin. And Sarah Barrucuda earned her nicknmae name. Also, Palin wants to drill. That’s what Americans want.

Gov. Palin will have to go out and let people get to know who she is and what she stands for and if she connects with voters, Obomba will go down in flames. I've heard her speak and she OBVIOUSLY can handle the job!

181 posted on 08/29/2008 5:58:31 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: DJ MacWoW
McCain’s pick was well thought out. His pick has many positives.

I like Gov. Palin but I'm just one vote. She will have to let folks know who she is and what she stands for and I think she will gain their acceptance.

182 posted on 08/29/2008 6:01:42 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: onlylewis
If the Dems feel so, why did they all have to change their undies about noon today? (Adult diapers in some cases).
183 posted on 08/29/2008 6:06:49 PM PDT by Shqipo (Palin for Veep...? The shot....SCORE!!!!!)
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To: Bobkk47
PALIN, NOT OBAMA.

Let's put a *REAL* P***y in the White House!

Cheers!

184 posted on 08/30/2008 12:25:06 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Shqipo
To celebrate the choice of Sarah Palin, let's all give a big "Happy Headed NO" to Barack Obama (aplogies to Howard Stern).

Cheers!

185 posted on 08/30/2008 12:35:48 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: teletech
We are arguing for no reason. We both are conservative, but I am not as socially conservative as you. We both want the USA to have a smaller government and let us have more $$$, but socially, we are different. (I am voting for McCain because the other realistic choice (and no matter what, a 3rd party won't ever win.) is a MARXIST, and conservative should be for the MARXIST!).

I'm a naturist (nudist) and so are my family. We are against ABORTION, and I am against gay marriage, thou they should be able to have tax breaks like married people do - and ADOPT older kids.

186 posted on 09/02/2008 11:23:36 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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