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Democrats Go After Gun Politics - Lawmakers Discuss Tapping Into The Traditionally Conservative...
National Journal ^ | Aug. 30, 2008 | Bill Swindell

Posted on 08/30/2008 12:47:25 PM PDT by neverdem

Lawmakers Discuss Tapping Into The Traditionally Conservative Issue

Stepping gingerly back into the thicket of gun politics, some Democrats are offering up a few proposals to make them less on the defensive on an issue that many claim cost former Vice President Al Gore and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the presidency.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., and Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., spoke at a National Wildlife Federation briefing Wednesday afternoon, pushing efforts to expand conservation areas for hunting and fishing grounds as well as better protection of the environment for sportsmen.

"Sportsmen have been stereotyped as concerned with one issue: guns. But if you listen to sportsmen as I have over the years ... we hear a different story," said Larry Schweiger, president of the National Wildlife Federation.

The goal is to allow Democrats to play at least a little on the offense on an issue that party leaders will not bring up because of fear of major political repercussions to its members by the powerful National Rifle Association. Top Democrats are still reeling from NRA-led defeats in 1994 of their members who voted for the Brady Bill and legislation to ban some assault weapons. Others say the issue likely cost Gore a win in West Virginia in 2000 that would have put him in the White House.

Dingell said hunting and fishing areas need better environmental protection, specifically citing that enforcement of the Clean Water Act needs to be beefed up to protect those lands. "These have not been a good eight years," said Dingell, a stalwart NRA member. Lincoln cited the increasing loss of public hunting areas that threaten the opportunities for families to go shooting or fishing, like hers will do in a few weeks at a dove hunt in Maryland.

"Democrats are all about conservation. They are all about preservation. I think that's a huge opportunity," Lincoln said.

But the NRA is likely to pump a significant amount of its $40 million political spending this election season in an effort to defeat the Democrats' presidential standard-bearer, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, whom the organization has said fails to support their agenda.

The 3-million member group will wait until after both conventions to give an endorsement, which will likely go to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., despite his sponsoring of some legislation that the NRA has adamantly opposed, including requiring background checks at guns shows and a bill to tighten campaign finance laws.

"With Sen. Obama you have a lifetime record of supporting gun control, voting for gun control, speaking out against gun rights and voting against gun rights either as an elected official or a private citizen," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman.

But Dingell said that it is undetermined how much the NRA will actually spend and what races will be targeted. "I will point out to you that if you look at Mr. McCain's record on firearms, it ain't so good," said Dingell, who added that he would offer up some advice for Obama on the issue if asked.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; banglist; bitter; blanchelincoln; democratparty; democrats; dingell; electionpresident; elections; environment; idiotalert; nobama08; nra; obama; stuckonstupid
Lawmakers Discuss Tapping Into The Traditionally Conservative Issue

Just by promoting conservation efforts? I don't remember a worse article from National Journal. This is just a cheap hit on McCain for old sins, trying to downplay all the coverage Palin is getting. Since when did the NRA lose a million members? Obama wants to renew the so called assault gun ban among many other things.

1 posted on 08/30/2008 12:47:26 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
1. If the DemocRATS are "going after" the gun owners, it is a sign of absolute desperation.

2. Who the heck would believe them anyway? They have been trying to abridge gun rights since forever.

2 posted on 08/30/2008 12:52:49 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: neverdem

The Marxist Maggots are so fanatically set on destroying the Constitutional Rights of American citizens, that they cannot help themselves. Sick bastards they are — just send them to Venezuela where they can have all the communism they want. Pukes.


3 posted on 08/30/2008 12:54:46 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: neverdem
"Lawmakers Discuss Tapping Into The Traditionally Conservative Issue" That should go over well, especially with women ... Photobucket
4 posted on 08/30/2008 12:55:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do To Us Our Liberal Democrat Politicians Will")
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To: neverdem
expand conservation areas for hunting and fishing grounds

Well, no. I want a gun so that if somebody breaks into my house I can blow their brains to pieces. What are you going to do for me?

5 posted on 08/30/2008 12:57:19 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: neverdem
Once again DemocRATS are trying to divide and conquer...splitting hunters from those who believe in self defense.
6 posted on 08/30/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Who the heck would believe them anyway? They have been trying to abridge gun rights since forever.

They really never got a grasp of that pig and lipstick thing, did they?

7 posted on 08/30/2008 12:59:25 PM PDT by tbpiper (Obama/Biden: Instead of Ebony and Ivory, we have Arrogance and Insolence.)
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To: All

I would never vote for a democrat if they are running for a US house or US Senate seat. It doesn’t matter how conservative they say they are. Once they get to Washington they will caucus with the rats and then we are not safe. Even if they vote against the bill it will still be brought up because the party in charge sets the agenda and decides what gets out of committee.


8 posted on 08/30/2008 1:03:29 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: neverdem

The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting, it is about defending ourselves and what’s ours. These morons don’t want citizens to be armed any more than Hitler did.


9 posted on 08/30/2008 1:04:10 PM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: neverdem
Hey, DemLosers: Bring it on!

(Educational note for you ignorant liberal hoplophobes: that is a genuine, (military-issue, full-auto) "assault rifle" -- not some "ugly, scary-looking gun" with the fictional "assault weapon" non-name stuck on it...)

10 posted on 08/30/2008 1:05:44 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: neverdem

Hunting and fishing permits/taxes pay for most of the wildlife conservation that has been done and will be done.


11 posted on 08/30/2008 1:12:03 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: neverdem

Second amendment isn’t about hunting, and I would NEVER believe the Dem party as a gun friendly party.


12 posted on 08/30/2008 1:14:40 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: 230FMJ

Bears repeating:
The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting...


13 posted on 08/30/2008 1:14:44 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: TXnMA

And I saw video of her actually shooting it on 3-round burst auto. Full control of the weapon - she kept it level and on-target. Outstanding.


14 posted on 08/30/2008 1:15:57 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: neverdem

So dems are going to attempt to scam voters by pretending that gun rights and “environmentalism” go hand in hand. Of course, we will soon hear that our conservation areas must prohibit shooters, as spent shell casings are killing packrats!


15 posted on 08/30/2008 1:22:46 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: SkyDancer

Now that’s a well focused photo!


16 posted on 08/30/2008 1:27:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

Dingell said hunting and fishing areas need better environmental protection, specifically citing that enforcement of the Clean Water Act needs to be beefed up to protect those lands. “These have not been a good eight years,” said Dingell, a stalwart NRA member.

Oh yeah, the previous eight years were sooo much better. /rolls eyes

After all, Clinton “conserved” vast tracts of land in Arizona and Utah and other states which used to be open to hunting and fishing but now it’s all National Parkland and all those activities are verboten. /sarcasm

“Democrats are all about conservation. They are all about preservation. I think that’s a huge opportunity,” Lincoln said.

Yeah by turing it all into Parkland so that the only legal activities are walking on “established” trails and taking photos. /f-ing lying rat bastards.


17 posted on 08/30/2008 1:47:59 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: neverdem
After several months of internal debate on the 2nd Amendment since the Heller decision, some Democrats are bravely tapping into the traditional conservative issue of guns by talking about ducks and wetlands and the Clean Water Act.

Gosh! If that's not a grand slam home run, I don't know what is.

18 posted on 08/30/2008 1:50:33 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: neverdem

What has hunting got to do with the 2nd Amendment?
These Socialists are clueless.


19 posted on 08/30/2008 1:52:39 PM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: neverdem

1. NEVER EVER TRUST RATS WHEN THEY SAY THEY’RE PRO GUN!

2. NEVER EVER TRUST A RAT!


20 posted on 08/30/2008 1:55:46 PM PDT by rrrod
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“Democrats Go After Gun Politics - Lawmakers Discuss Tapping Into The Traditionally Conservative...”

Dems AGAIN win the STUCK ON STUPID and IDIOT ALERT awards.

#

http://www.truthusa.com/2ndAmendment.html


21 posted on 08/30/2008 2:17:10 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: neverdem

Why are democrats RUNNING away from the messiah’s position?

what do the internal polls show.

why are democrats so scared they are publicly abandoning “the Obama”

If the MSM was “fair” this would be headlined as “Democrats abandon Obama”


22 posted on 08/30/2008 2:40:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TXnMA

Gotta be careful with the facts here. That’s a plastic training device which looks like a “genuine, (military-issue, full-auto) “assault rifle””. But the important thing is she knows how to use one instead of the demlosers who drag out the borrowed 10,000 dollar skeet gun for the ten minute photo op.


23 posted on 08/30/2008 3:17:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: neverdem
Dingell, a stalwart NRA member.

I think a call to the NRA is in order. Someone's[meaning dingaling] membership is no longer needed.

24 posted on 08/30/2008 3:19:46 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: neverdem
A Democrap saying that they will watch out for your 2nd Amendment Rights???


25 posted on 08/30/2008 3:43:58 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: pepperhead

Dems have failed to fool Evangelicals and they will fail to fool hunters, 2nd Amerndment protectors who want safe family areas, schools, and businesses without having to cave into the thugs who probably vote Dem anyhow! LOL


26 posted on 08/30/2008 4:52:24 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Shooter 2.5
Ooops! Apparently you're correct. I stopped the vid where I could grab that good close-up frame (with SP's eye open). A look at (later) longer shots does show the scoring cable hanging down from the fore-end... Also, no one is wearing hearing protection. Thanks for the heads-up!

BTW, do you know where the vid of her actually letting off a 3-"round" burst can be found?

27 posted on 08/30/2008 5:14:48 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: neverdem

***The goal is to allow Democrats to play at least a little on the offense on an issue that party leaders will not bring up because of fear of major political repercussions to its members by the powerful National Rifle Association.***

No Democrats, you can’t have the football.


28 posted on 08/30/2008 5:19:49 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: SkyDancer

Is that a picture of you holding what looks to me like a .44 Magnum?


29 posted on 08/30/2008 5:29:09 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: wastedyears

Nope, it’s my roomie Amy - I took the picture ....


30 posted on 08/30/2008 5:30:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do To Us Our Liberal Democrat Politicians Will")
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To: TXnMA

I think it’s the same video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4


31 posted on 08/30/2008 5:42:51 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: neverdem

Has Hussein sent for his lifetime NRA card yet?

What a joke and what gunowner would trust a RAT politician on gun rights?


32 posted on 08/30/2008 5:49:52 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I wonder when this was written?

Gov.Palin is the Ace Of Trumps now on this issue. The Dems are gonna have to kiss it completely good bye.


33 posted on 08/30/2008 5:50:24 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: SkyDancer

That’s a lovely SuperRedhawk 44 you got there.


34 posted on 08/30/2008 5:52:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Define yourself by what you do, not by your ideology, belief, origins, genitals, etc ....)
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To: Centurion2000

It’s my roomie’s .... I own a 1911A1 .45 auto by Springfield arms ... a new one I bought at a gun show .....


35 posted on 08/30/2008 5:56:32 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do To Us Our Liberal Democrat Politicians Will")
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To: Shooter 2.5
Lovely video. My only critique would be she keeps her finger on the trigger before the range goes hot.
Still, a VP firing a 3 round burst? Hog Heave for the 2nd Amendment.

My God, I just realized something else.

Can you imagine what changes this woman will make to the Department of the Interior and BLM when she becomes President after McCain??? She's going to gut them.

36 posted on 08/30/2008 5:57:43 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Define yourself by what you do, not by your ideology, belief, origins, genitals, etc ....)
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To: SkyDancer
It’s my roomie’s .... I own a 1911A1 .45 auto by Springfield arms ... a new one I bought at a gun show .....

Love my SR 454. It's a 400 grain peashooter ... handcannons and plinkers are the best.

37 posted on 08/30/2008 5:58:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Define yourself by what you do, not by your ideology, belief, origins, genitals, etc ....)
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To: SkyDancer

Cool


38 posted on 08/30/2008 6:03:03 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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