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Washington State Republicans Seek Distance from McCain, National Party
Seattle Times ^ | 31 August 2008 | David Postman

Posted on 08/31/2008 11:08:12 AM PDT by Publius

John McCain will be nominated this week as the Republican candidate for president. He likely will ride effortlessly through the party's national convention in St. Paul, MN.

But in Washington state, McCain will share the ballot this fall with Republicans trying to distance themselves from the national party and doing little to link arms with the McCain campaign.

Dino Rossi, a Republican who lists his party preference as "GOP Party," is doing his best to bask in Barack Obama's message of change as he tries to unseat Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire.

Rossi talks so much about Obama on the campaign trail, you could be forgiven for thinking they share a ticket. He doesn't mention McCain in his stump speech.

And neither Rossi nor Republican Rep. Dave Reichert, both engaged in competitive races, will attend this week's Republican National Convention.

On Thursday, the night Obama accepted the Democratic nomination, Rossi ran a TV commercial and made his most obvious attempt yet to appeal to likely Obama voters.

"Tonight the Democrats have a nominee," Rossi said in the ad. "I agree with him on this: Change is needed, but not just in Washington, DC"

A beaten-down brand

McCain campaign officials in the state say they're not worried about Rossi, the state's premier Republican candidate of 2008, distancing himself from the party's presidential candidate.

"Dino has his own coalitions he has to keep together," said Mike McKay, a former US attorney in Seattle and co-chairman for the McCain steering committee in the state.

McKay said he's heard Rossi tout McCain on the campaign trail. McKay said he thinks he'll hear more of that before November.

If McCain's poll numbers rise in Washington state, McKay said, Rossi "would more closely embrace Senator McCain."

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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KEYWORDS: governor; gregoire; mccain; rossi; wa2008; washingtonstate
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McCain is the one Republican who could carry Washington, thanks to blue collar voters and "Scoop Jackson" Democrats who are not enthusiastic about Obama. I question this move.

There is also a mistake in the article. The Republicans last won the governorship in 1980 (John Spellman) but lost it in 1984 (Booth Gardner).

1 posted on 08/31/2008 11:08:13 AM PDT by Publius
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2 posted on 08/31/2008 11:08:36 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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3 posted on 08/31/2008 11:10:28 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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4 posted on 08/31/2008 11:10:41 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Publius
He won't win Washington state. Too many libs in Seattle.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 08/31/2008 11:11:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Publius

Article title:
“Washington State Republicans Seek Distance from McCain, National Party”

Let’s be frank about this.

It no longer matters what Washington State Republicans think, in terms of the national party. The same goes for Oregon and - of course - for California.

This is because Republicans, even today, play little role in the politics of those left-leaning liberal states. What little influence they have today, will only be reduced and further marginalized tomorrow.

Washington state, Oregon and California have become the Massachusetts, Vermont, and New York of the west coast. Honestly, the best choice for conservatives living in those states is... to leave.

- John


6 posted on 08/31/2008 11:14:56 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: goldstategop
You are too kind.

He won't win Washington state. Too many libs commies in Seattle.

7 posted on 08/31/2008 11:16:15 AM PDT by llevrok (Drink your beer, damn it. There are people in Africa sober!!)
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To: Publius

Good thing Mr. Postman is not a general or he would get lots of people killed. The situation on the ground changed Friday, yet Mr. Postman filed the same old tired copy he had prepared previously. I suspect after Friday the local candidates are quite thrilled to be associated with the GOP ticket.


8 posted on 08/31/2008 11:16:20 AM PDT by JLS (Do you really want change being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: Publius

I think that Washington COULD be in play, if he played his cards right...and used his VP choice correctly. She is a PNW girl and could bring the blue collar Democrats in play. There are a lot of pretentious liberals in Seattle, but I know a lot of rank and file union members who vote Democrat because they think they should.

The other thing he needs to do is somehow turn the Boeing thing into a win. There is a perception locally that he sank the tanker contract and gets money from Airbus. The way to do that is to make sure they know their corrupt leadership sank the original deal....People hate Stonecipher and co, and that’s where a lot of the blame lies.


9 posted on 08/31/2008 11:17:06 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: davidosborne; airborne; Antoninus; GulfBreeze; processing please hold; RasterMaster; ...

>>>...thanks to blue collar voters and “Scoop Jackson” Democrats...

Scoop Jackson? I’ve not heard that name since....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943029/posts?page=3#3

I like that great old Senator Henry ‘Scoop’ Jackson who was one of the great democrat strong defense leaders of our time. He said, ‘in time of war national policy should emanate from our shore with one voice’.

—Duncan Lee Hunter December 2007


10 posted on 08/31/2008 11:17:24 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Fishrrman
That's why the Pacific states are collectively called the Left Coast. They are Dem strongholds. No GOP presidential candidate is going to carry them even in a good year.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 08/31/2008 11:17:45 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Publius
Rossi may want to change his tune now that we have the McCain-Palin ticket. Both have demonstrated by their deeds that they truly represent change, whereas the Obamanation is an empty suit mouthing an empty, meaningless mantra, "Hope, Change, Hope, Change, ...", and is a member of the ruthless Daley political machine doing business as usual.

BTW, Rossi had the election won in 2004. However Gregoire and the Democrats, taking a page from the AlGore playbook, held several recounts, each time "discovering" uncounted ballot boxes found, surprisingly enough, in unsecured warehouses, that finally brought her total to more than Rossi's, at which point the Washington State courts (Democrats, of course) shut off the recounts, and declared her the winner.

12 posted on 08/31/2008 11:24:53 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Swiftboating: Revealing inconvenient truths about Democrat candidates)
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To: Fishrrman

I’m not leaving, John. I fought too long and hard to stay here.


13 posted on 08/31/2008 11:26:34 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: JLS

I hope you’re right. The last pre-Palin poll showed McCain within sriking distance in this state. I would hope that next week’s polling will show the race tightening even more.


14 posted on 08/31/2008 11:27:54 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius

The Seattle Times is not the voice of the Washington Conservatives.

This is bu*l


15 posted on 08/31/2008 11:29:19 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Calpernia
Henry "Scoop" Jackson was liberal on economic and labor issues, moderate on social issues -- and arch-conservative on defense.

There is still a legacy of "Scoop Jackson" Democrats in Washington state politics, particularly in the state legislature.

16 posted on 08/31/2008 11:30:02 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius

Whether he was or wasn’t doesn’t take away from what I referenced.


17 posted on 08/31/2008 11:32:40 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Fishrrman
Washington state, Oregon and California have become the Massachusetts, Vermont, and New York of the west coast. Honestly, the best choice for conservatives living in those states is... to leave.

- John

My wife and I did JUST THAT in July 2006. Now I live back in my home state of Alabama. I was so damned happy to get out of that cess pool of slimy liberals and homos.

18 posted on 08/31/2008 11:33:55 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (My hate for Marxist Dimocrats is exceeded only by my hate for Marxist Dimocrats!)
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To: RightWingConspirator
...at which point the Washington State courts (Democrats, of course) shut off the recounts, and declared her the winner.

Not true. I was the one who posted daily threads on FR about the recount.

Rossi won the official count and also the machine recount. The Democrats paid for a hand recount and won when all those "missing" ballots from dead voters came out of unsecured warehouses in King County.

The litigation of the election challenge went to a judge who was a political independent, a strict constructionist, and who upheld the Washington state election contest law, which sets a very high barrier to challenging individual votes. Under the law, the judge's decision was correct, even though it did not produce the decision Republicans wanted.

19 posted on 08/31/2008 11:36:40 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius

The Tacomacrats versus the Latte Crats. I’m sure there are plenty of registered Democrats in South King and Pierce Counties who are sick of having to deal with frou frou douches like Gary Locke and Chris Gregoire.


20 posted on 08/31/2008 11:42:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (Barack Obama: Black and White and RED all Over)
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To: goldstategop

Rossi won only 4 years ago but because the race was very close the Donks got a third recount ordered and they “found” an aditional 200 votes needed to put the Democratic usurper over the top.

I’m not sure how much Washington has changed in four years. Maybe it is more liberal than it was, maybe Seattle growth is outstripping the more conservative parts of the state - like I say I’m just not sure.

Unlike Cali though it’s not yet an absolute certainty that every race will go to a lib (including the occasionaly RINO like the Governator).

So hopefully Republicans and conservatives get out an vote.


21 posted on 08/31/2008 11:49:56 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: RetiredArmy

Wow, your about me page is sure depressing. And scary.


22 posted on 08/31/2008 11:50:41 AM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Liberalism is a tax on humanity)
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To: Publius

Thanks! What an excellently written summary of a very complex and frustrating event. I concur with your description.

There was talk of changing election laws in Washington. I know they tried to clean up the rolls a bit but I don’t think the laws themselves were changed, were they?

On an unrelated topic: what do you think of the top two primary system? This (August) primary was the first time I’ve voted using it.


23 posted on 08/31/2008 11:52:25 AM PDT by Jack Black
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The rolls have been cleaned up somewhat, mostly by removing some dead people and felons. They really needed to throw out the voter rolls and have everyone re-enroll with picture ID. That was considered too radical.

The next move is to go to all-mail voting, which would enshrine the current system of corruption in perpetuity.

The state's election contest law, borrowed from California, is still on the books, unfortunately.

I don't like the Top 2 primary, but it's the law.

24 posted on 08/31/2008 11:58:34 AM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Clemenza
The Tacomacrats versus the Latte Crats.

I like that. It's succinct and to the point.

25 posted on 08/31/2008 12:00:16 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Based on your comment I went and read RetiredArmy’s home page. Yes it is depressing, but I can’t say I totally disagree with it when it’s laid out that way.

I think the chances of a civil war are much higher, as I think that they changes of holding the entire USA together as we descend into the hell that RA describes are low.

Some parts of the country will decide to split off. It is already happening. I believe the DNC platform calls for some soft of independence for Hawaii. Would a President Obama inflict continued statehood on Hawaii if they voted to return to sovereign Kingdom? I can’t imagine it.

The Army may or may not be responsive. History has shown that when legitimate existing order is breached the Army tends to go it’s own way. Maybe we get a “man on a horse” to set things right after a big fall, widespread riots and such.

In Russia, the last great superpower to fall, the Army in the end did not support the government, they more or less supported the people by staying in their barracks.

I’m not sure if we can turn oursleves around without going through the bloody hell of a revolution, but it’s worth trying.

I read Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War II” and think his scenario of eventual partition of the country into ethnic enclaves maybe the likely scenario.


26 posted on 08/31/2008 12:04:55 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Publius
The next move is to go to all-mail voting, which would enshrine the current system of corruption in perpetuity. It's already the defacto law in Clark County, where I live (Vancouver, WA.) Every election for the five years I've lived here has been vote by mail, just like the cousins in Oregon.
27 posted on 08/31/2008 12:06:27 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Publius
McCain is the one Republican who could carry Washington, thanks to blue collar voters and "Scoop Jackson" Democrats who are not enthusiastic about Obama.

Seattle out votes the rest of the state even if they don't have enough votes.

28 posted on 08/31/2008 12:13:47 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: Publius

I don’t buy this nonsense. It’s just another tactic to manipulate voters.


29 posted on 08/31/2008 12:18:54 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Random Access
Seattle out votes the rest of the state even if they don't have enough votes.

In close races, you are correct.

My colleague on rail issues, a "Scoop Jackson" Democrat who is supporting McCain, said, "The King County Democratic machine has this pool of dead people they vote in close elections. It won't work when the race is a blowout, but in something like the Rossi-Gregoire business, those votes can swing an election."

My colleague ran for office twice in King County as a Democrat, but the latte-sipping leftists beat him handily. Incidentally, he is a personal friend of McCain and worked with him on national park issues, even spending a day at the house with John and Cindy. So I think it's significant that he believes Obama is worthless.

30 posted on 08/31/2008 12:25:00 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius

Here in New Jersey, you DO NOT have to show a photo ID. All you have to do is find your name in the book and sign, no questions asked.


31 posted on 08/31/2008 12:29:19 PM PDT by Clemenza (Barack Obama: Black and White and RED all Over)
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To: Clemenza

Same here.


32 posted on 08/31/2008 12:34:10 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Fishrrman
Ain't in nice how the libs have divided themselves geographically from one another.

When Civil War II begins between the libs and the conservatives, the conservatives will control the center and its vast resources. The libs will have to find allies and resources overseas.

But who would help the lib coasts? Germany and France have voted conservative leadership for themselves, so the lib coasts can't rely on them for help.

They can't rely on militant Islam, because it was militant Islam that defaced the lib coasts on 9/11.

In Civil War II, the coasts will be isoloated, from themselves and from the World.

33 posted on 08/31/2008 12:43:15 PM PDT by Vision Thing (obambi meets McZilla)
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To: Publius
I spent time last week working a phone bank for the Washington State Republican Party and the script for a message to leave on answering machines included both McCain and Rossi as being the leaders we need. The State Republican party is not running away from McCain even if the Propaganda wing of the DNC (the liberal media) would like to pretend otherwise.
34 posted on 08/31/2008 12:48:01 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

That’s good news.


35 posted on 08/31/2008 12:49:57 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius

Not to worry Publius... Rossi is wisely taking advantage of the “change” mantra and applying it to the governor. After all, the “regime” in this state is the democrat party. And a gentle reminder to our media buddies ;), George W. Bush is not running this year LOLOL.

In this heavily RAT (yuk) state, I believe Rossi is running a very smart campaign. Look for him to get ever sharper closer to the election. Ol’ Chrissy started with our largest RESERVE and has spent us into our state’s largest DEFICIT in 3 short years. Chock full of new, expensive, & ongoing “programs”, new state workers... The worker thing will be difficult, but I think citizens are responding to Fraudoire giving us the country’s HIGHEST gas tax, the ferry debacle, and a checking accout overdrawn by BILLIONS of dollars.

Run, Dino, RUN!


36 posted on 08/31/2008 12:55:24 PM PDT by Libertina (Sarah Palin for VP - not because she is a woman, but for the woman she is!)
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I view it from a slightly different angle.

Lacking a mandate, Gregoire decided to govern the way Gary Locke governed; ie., she did nothing for 4 years. "Like King Gary before her, Queen Christine neither sowed nor reaped, yet Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these."

When a governor does nothing, the bureaucracy runs things. If you look at the ferry issue and other issues, you see the guiding hand of bureaucrats, and it's been that way for 12 years now. Gregoire has handed governance over to unelected officials.

That's the issue Rossi should be hammering.

37 posted on 08/31/2008 1:06:57 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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Jaw dropping obove the fold on this morning Seattle Times. It is classic Gregoire and had her finger prints all over it. Very clever but nothing but a stinking steaming pile of crap news story. Rossi is as much excited about the McCain/Palin team as any of us.


39 posted on 08/31/2008 1:29:46 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Publius

Sometimes you’ll hear among us here in Alaska “Alaska is an extension of Washington.” From the gold rush days until now, this has been the case.

This being so you’d think the appointment of VP Sarah Palin might influence Washington more to the right.


40 posted on 08/31/2008 2:00:02 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Publius
All true, though finding out how artificially (some may say criminally) high that bar was explosively FUBAR.

I'm not concerned about Rossi. We know who he is, we know what he will do for this state, and when the citizens of this state see how much better off we are after his 1st term, his endorsement will mean a great deal to a conservative candidate.

If he has to distance himself from Bush & McCain to get his office back, he's doing no worse than 1/2 or more FReepers.

As far as I'm concerned, if he handed out zig zags with his picture on it while wearing cinderella slippers and a tutu while doing the waltz with Rudy Guliani at Hempfest, I don't care as long as he wins King County, gets that witch out of the capitol, reduces the budget to pre Gargoyle figures, then bans both Hempfest and Rudy.

He can keep the slippers and tutu, to be worn by any congress critter proposing a tax raising bill while trying to sell it to the public on TV.

41 posted on 08/31/2008 2:22:42 PM PDT by 4woodenboats ( MEJA is FUBAR DefendOurMarines.org DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Fishrrman
My new county - Skagit - has 2 R reps, an R senator, Elk & deer herds that roam through my yard, a 70 mph speed limit, no carpool lanes, and much lower taxes.

Not to mention the Salish Sea 20 minutes away, and wilderness practically within walking distance.

I'm not going anywhere just yet.

42 posted on 08/31/2008 2:31:44 PM PDT by 4woodenboats ( MEJA is FUBAR DefendOurMarines.org DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: 4woodenboats

Cut Rudy a break. I saw New York both before and after Giuliani, and it was like the difference between night and day. Rudy would make a fine governor of New York, Attorney General, or boss of Homeland Security.


43 posted on 08/31/2008 2:36:35 PM PDT by Publius (Atlas is preparing to shrug.)
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To: Publius
I know he cut crime in New York, and I respect that immensely but you still couldn't pay me to go there, and personally I don't care for him for a number of other reasons, none of which has to do with his dancing.

However, my comments were meant to be lighthearted - I thought it was obvious.

44 posted on 08/31/2008 2:53:09 PM PDT by 4woodenboats ( MEJA is FUBAR DefendOurMarines.org DefendOurTroops.org)
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45 posted on 08/31/2008 2:57:51 PM PDT by sionnsar (Obama? Bye-den!|Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|Unity=Ein Volk,Ein Reich,Ein Fuhrer)
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bttt


46 posted on 08/31/2008 2:59:46 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: Fishrrman

There is a major difference though. If you look at the county-by-county election maps, the Northeast is much more solid blue than the West Coast. MA and RI were all blue. CT and VT had one “Red” county each. OTOH, there are a lot of “Red” counties in the interior parts of CA, OR, and WA. OR, in fact, only has about five counties that go blue, so it is always the closest. The problem is that in all three of those states, the “Blue” counties are much more populated than the “Red” counties. Even the suburbs tend to be lib-leaning or at least more moderate than the rural areas. That helps the Dems win every time. It’s a lot like the national elections. Dems have a lot of strength in the bigger states (NY, NJ, CA, IL, and pretty much also in PA and MI). The only surefire big state for the GOP is TX and for the most part, FL. VA, NC, and GA are also pretty large states that the GOP usually gets, though their strength has weakened in VA and NC. This is the problem with large, very staunchly lib states like NY and CA. It doesn’t take too many people from those states to move into some other states where elections are close and tip the elections to the Dems. First, people from NY (and MA) helped change staunchly Republican VT into a lib haven. People from MA also changed NH amd ME. Then, people from CA first changed OR and WA and are now starting to change NV, CO and MT. AZ may be next. Then not to mention how my home city of Houston was altered by people from NOLA, but that’s another matter (mostly the fault of Mayor White). But it’s a free country. You can’t restrict U.S. citizens moving from state to another nor can you require them to change their political beliefs, especially when they’re people with money.


47 posted on 08/31/2008 5:35:00 PM PDT by hout8475
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To: RightWingConspirator

Thanks for the correction to my post.


48 posted on 08/31/2008 8:06:33 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Swiftboating: Revealing inconvenient truths about Democrat candidates)
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To: Publius

The Dems in Florida would love to get 100% voting by mail made the law here. We have seen lots of corruption with absentee ballots—ballots requested for people in nursing homes being completed by Dem operatives. Voting by mail would simply enable massive corruption through Dem operatives within the US Postal Service.


49 posted on 08/31/2008 8:10:53 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Swiftboating: Revealing inconvenient truths about Democrat candidates)
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To: Publius
But in Washington state, McCain will share the ballot this fall with Republicans trying to distance themselves from the national party and doing little to link arms with the McCain campaign.

They might want to re-think that decision. McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as Veep has energized this party overnight, and if the Wash. State folks can't see that, then they're blind, as well as stupid, and they don't deserve to be in any office.

50 posted on 09/01/2008 11:00:29 AM PDT by SuziQ
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