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Alan Colmes Responds to "Conservative Bloggers": Itís About Judgment, Stupid
Liberaland ^ | 8-31-08 | Alan Colmes

Posted on 08/31/2008 4:28:08 PM PDT by cgk

Here is Alan Colmes in his own words, or his fans' own words, or other people's words... He's still digging.


It’s About Judgment, Stupid

August 31st, 2008, 1:43 PM EDT

The post about Sarah Palin’s pre-natal care was taken down because of the vile comments made by a pletehora of conservatives who decided to invade the site and show us just how decent and value-driven some of them are.  Nothing like epithet-hurling if you want to make your point, or if you have strong objections to what someone says or does.   Furthermore, I in no way mean to suggest that her child’s Down Syndrome was in any way related to decisions she made.  In fact I never mentioned Down Syndrome in the post.  However,  I apologize that my post was not more clear on that point.   That is my fault, and I’ll take responsibility for not being more clear on that point.  That being said…


Jaru summed it up on a previous thread.


Conservative hate was re-routed via conservative blogs!

Anyway, I love how everyone keeps trying to accuse Alan of accusing Princess Mooseburger of birthing a mentally retarded child on purpose.

He asked a judgement question about a 7 month pregnant woman who just had her water break GET ON A 12 HOUR FLIGHT TO GIVE BIRTH after giving a 30 MINUTE SPEECH instead of doing the SENSIBLE THING AND STAYING PUT WITH A DOCTOR.


The idea that you can’t question Sarah Palin’s judgment because she has a Down Syndrome baby is right up there with the outrage some feel the minute you question a man who was held in a prison camp for five years.  Yet, the same outraged protectors of our values have no trouble questioning Obama’s judgment: a nodding acquaintance with someone in his neighborhood, his choice of a church, his very faith, and then they blamed that on the Clintons). The question was even raised as to  whether he is hiding the truth of his birth certificate.   In fact, hotair.com, the the site most outraged about what I posted, was one of the prime venues of the birth certificate debate, among others concerning Obama’s “judgment”.   And let’s not forget the attacks on Michelle Obama and the insinuations that she doesn’t really love her country.


For the record, I think the McCain choice of Palin was caculatingly smart, in that it guarantees that a glass ceiling be broken after the coming election.  I’m sure Sarah Palin is a fine person who is just very wrong on the issues and, like all of us, hasn’t always shown perfect judgment.  But don’t tell me that John McCain chose the best person for the job, or that he didn’t make this choice reactively, because Hillary Clinton is not on the Democratic ticket. 


For the record, here is the link to Rogers Cadenhead’s post on the issue of judgment. 


Maybe Palin’s actions can be written off as Alaskan grit, since she’s a macho hunting governor who jogs in freezing temperatures and dines on moose burgers. But as a parent myself, I think the Palins were extremely fortunate that their reckless stupidity did not end in tragedy. As middle-aged parents who already had four kids, the Palins had to be completely familiar with all the things that can go wrong in a pregnancy. One commenter on the Washington Times laid out the enormous risk she was taking:

 

Airlines are unequipped to handle most emergencies at 30,000 feet, particularly the kind Palin put her unborn child at markedly increased risk for. These emergencies include birthing a premature infant or uncontrolled maternal bleeding. This was her FIFTH pregnancy and delivery can happen rapidly and unexpectedly. The baby or Palin could easily have died.


The Anchorage Daily News gave the chronology of events the day Palin was in Dallas giving a speech where she began contractions, and water broke.  It quotes Dr. Laurie Gregg, a Sacramnto obstetrician:


[Dr. Laurie Gregg] who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman’s water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That’s true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out…”To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak,” Gregg said.


Down Syndrome is another matter, and can sometimes be related to a mother’s age.  This is a risk that older parents take, and one the Palins took consciously, and not irresponsibly.   


Because of prenatal testing, most families now know beforehand, said Judy Waldron, president of the Alaska chapter of the National Down Syndrome Congress, a support and education group that delivered a parent packet to the Palins in the hospital.

 

“They anticipate it and they kind of relish the challenge of having a child with special needs,” said Waldron, an Anchorage teacher whose 19-year-old daughter, Lyn, has Down syndrome.


If we are going to evaluate candidates based on life decisions: what churches they attend, what religions they practice, who their preachers are, who their friends are, all of which fall under the rubrick of “judgment”,  then all of this is fair game.  That argument cuts many ways so, to quote my least favorite president, “Bring it on.”

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This is a follow-up thread to the earlier FR thread posted by Brytani Alan Colmes on Gov. Palin's Conservative Family Values. Here Colmes quotes one of his fans & tries to pin his woes on conservative bloggers (the new vast right wing conspiracy). He then jumps right back into the gutter by justifying everything he said in a post he had removed, saying he only removed it because of the comments. Here's the post in question, courtesy of WhistlingPasttheGraveyard who found it saved courtesy of wizbangblog:

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1 posted on 08/31/2008 4:28:08 PM PDT by cgk
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To: cgk
It’s About Judgment

It is indeed. And most people have the good judgment not to have William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright on their list of friends.

2 posted on 08/31/2008 4:30:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (Obama wants to raise taxes and kill babies; Palin wants to raise babies and kill taxes)
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To: cgk

I feel bad for Colmes. It’s bad enough being the homliest person on the planet but being the dumbest also? It has to be tough.


3 posted on 08/31/2008 4:31:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS are a visible reminder of what it was like before people became civilized.)
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To: cgk

Note: The slogan was originally posted to FR by Renfield. Islander7 created the graphic. I've merely taken the initiative in publicizing it. It's so good, it may well be the "Sore/Loserman" of the 2008 election.
4 posted on 08/31/2008 4:31:06 PM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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Assuming he'll have this other blog post smearing the Palins removed due to "vile conservative comments", we've saved it as well.


5 posted on 08/31/2008 4:32:02 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
Anyway, I love how everyone keeps trying to accuse Alan of accusing Princess Mooseburger of birthing a mentally retarded child on purpose.

Feel the Leftist Love.

6 posted on 08/31/2008 4:32:42 PM PDT by an amused spectator (That would be... harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan.)
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To: Brytani; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

PING, with thanks.


7 posted on 08/31/2008 4:32:53 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
And was the baby born in a hospital?

My experience with my wife and child birth is that I always deferred to her judgment. As if a man could know. Hey Alan, what is your basis for comment if you are a man?

8 posted on 08/31/2008 4:33:11 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Dog breath? I don't think so.)
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To: cgk

Perhaps Colmes should talk to there women.
Wonder what they would say to Alan.

Famous Older Moms Compiled by Monica Hesse, September & October 2005

Having children later in life is a popular choice for celebrities, whose fast-paced careers often make starting a family in their 20s or 30s difficult. Here’s what some famous older moms have said about the ups and downs of motherhood

Kay Bailey Hutchison, 62 Senior senator from Texas and mother of Bailey, 4, and Houston, 3 “Our children are beautiful beyond belief, except for a few occasions at 3:30 a.m.”

Sharon Stone, 47 Mother of Roan, 5, and Laird, 5 months “I have more support and love and kindness than at any other time in my life.”

Diane Keaton, 59 Mother of Dexter, 9, and Duke, 4 “Afternoons, I pick up the kids and run around like a chicken with its head cut off. I collapse at 9 p.m. I’m like a farmer woman.”

Joan Lunden, 55 Mother of Jamie, 24, Lindsay, 22, Sarah, 17, twins Max and Kate, 2, and twins Jack and Kimberly, 7 months “The best way to approach bathing, feeding, and dressing the younger ones is like an assembly line.”

Cheryl Tiegs, 58 Mother of Zack, 14, and twins Jaden and Theo, 5 “I can’t say that all women should become mothers after 50; yet for me, it’s great.”

Susan Sarandon, 59 Mother of Eva, 20, Jack Henry, 16, and Miles, 13 “I had my kids late. I didn’t think I could have them and I didn’t expect to have them. But they are my best work.”

Deidre Hall, 57 Mother of David, 13, and Tully, 10 “I hope to teach my sons inner strength and empathy, and a deep love and loyalty to each other


9 posted on 08/31/2008 4:34:29 PM PDT by mware
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To: cgk
No fair - It's our turn!


10 posted on 08/31/2008 4:34:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I feel bad for Colmes. It’s bad enough being the homliest person on the planet but being the dumbest also? It has to be tough.

"Homely"? Puh-leeze, I'm homely. Homely, loosely defined, is plain, no obvious outward beaty.

Colmes is butt-ugly, bug-eyed scary.

11 posted on 08/31/2008 4:35:29 PM PDT by woofer ('Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth' - Steyn)
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To: All

Did Palin take proper pre-natal care? Shame on her! We all know the RESPONSIBLE thing to do is to suck your child’s brains out with a vacuum. Palin should be ashamed!


12 posted on 08/31/2008 4:35:29 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: cgk
Hey Alan, I think a women who has given birth to 5 children has a clue about the process. To question her judgment when her judgment clearly went as planned is stupidity at this point.
13 posted on 08/31/2008 4:35:44 PM PDT by DB
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To: sourcery; Renfield; Islander7
That is an awesome graphic!! It is just perfect.

We need another one just to make them squirm a little more... Republicans: The Party for Families.

The McCains have 7 kids. The Palins have 5. That is a winning image.

14 posted on 08/31/2008 4:36:03 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

I used to have respect for Colmes, it’s gone now.


15 posted on 08/31/2008 4:36:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: cgk

Alan Colmes is a hypocrite every time he utters the word birth.


16 posted on 08/31/2008 4:36:17 PM PDT by A6M3
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Colmes is a smarmy, arrogant, steaming turd.


17 posted on 08/31/2008 4:36:28 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: cgk

I guess she doesn’t have to call alan colmes for advice. It wasn’t like it was her first child.


18 posted on 08/31/2008 4:36:51 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: cgk
By my math, Obama's mother Stanley Ann had a coming-out fling with Obama Sr. on her 18th birthday (Nov 29, 1960) during her first year in college away from home, resulting in little Barack Jr. nine months later on Aug 4, 1961.

Was young Ann seduced by an already married Obama Sr. on her birthday? Was she looking to "lose it" on her 18th birthday, now that she was a college girl?

Are these the kinds of speculations that Alan Colmes would be interested in pursuing?

-PJ

19 posted on 08/31/2008 4:37:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never over-estimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: cgk

Colmes is having a huge Don Imus moment. Hannity needs to take the higher road and get the hell out!


20 posted on 08/31/2008 4:38:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS are a visible reminder of what it was like before people became civilized.)
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To: wagglebee

Who is colmes?


21 posted on 08/31/2008 4:38:38 PM PDT by Nachum (Obama: building a religion)
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To: cgk

I am so weary of pigs like Combs. Nature can be faulted for producing genetically defective offspring and, thankfully, superior and loving people are often given the priviledge of caring for them by God. However, people who devolve into the kind of gibbering swine that Combs is have only themselves to blame for their mean, miserable and sub-human state.


22 posted on 08/31/2008 4:38:38 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: cgk
Princess Mooseburger

How can anyone take someone who has to call people names like the above seriously? Honestly, this person needs to have a deep look inside themselves and ask why they cannot present their ideas without this sort of thing?

susie

23 posted on 08/31/2008 4:39:47 PM PDT by brytlea (CHANGE! --all we'll have left in our pockets if Obama is elected.)
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To: cgk
Princess Mooseburger

Credit where credit is due.

That is mildly amusing no matter your frame of reference.

24 posted on 08/31/2008 4:40:12 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: cgk
Once the amniotic sac breaks, doctors advise delivering the child within 24 hours--if Gov. Palin consulted with her doctor and was told it was okay to finish up what she was doing (just because the water breaks doesn't necessarily mean you go into hard labor, as I can attest to with my twins!). I'm sure if this had been an emergency situation she would have gone immediately to the hospital. Waiting to deliver would not have changed her baby's DS condition, so he was never in any danger either.

This is the best the lefties can come up with?? Dang. They're losing their touch!!

Go McCain/Palin!! Conservatives are pinning their hopes on you! :-)
25 posted on 08/31/2008 4:40:23 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: cgk

Colmes took the story down because of the comments? Garbage. His mods can remove the comments. He took it down because it was stupid, and it stays down because it was stupid.


26 posted on 08/31/2008 4:40:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: woofer

Sorry woof! I probably should have looked in the mirror myself before making that comment. LOL!!!


27 posted on 08/31/2008 4:40:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS are a visible reminder of what it was like before people became civilized.)
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To: clintonh8r

Quit insulting steaming turds! Just leave them alone !!! (sob).


28 posted on 08/31/2008 4:41:03 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
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To: cgk

You’ve got to have some pretty poor judgment to second-guess a mother of five about the birthing process.


29 posted on 08/31/2008 4:41:17 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW! PAY LESS!)
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To: cgk

What an idiot (Colmes).


30 posted on 08/31/2008 4:41:55 PM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: Thebaddog
Hey Alan, what is your basis for comment if you are a man?

Correction ... he's not a man, but then he's not a woman either!

31 posted on 08/31/2008 4:42:14 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: cgk

nodding acquaintance with someone in his neighborhood,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don’t have any “nodding” acquaintances with anyone who would hold a fund raiser in my home. I don’t have acquaintances either who would do that. Only a **good** friend would do that for me.


32 posted on 08/31/2008 4:42:47 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Colmes is the wooden Indian I seen at Cherokee NC on the side of the road , who couldn’t make it own his own.


33 posted on 08/31/2008 4:43:58 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: cgk

Maybe Alan ought to contact the marxists who say she really wasn’t pregnant so they can get their stories straight


34 posted on 08/31/2008 4:44:00 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: cgk
The funniest thing I ever read about Alan Colmes (from a lefty site), to paraphrase: "Fox News chose him to be their token liberal because he is repulsively ugly, has an irritating voice, and is an idiot - it is a clever ploy to make leftists look bad..."
35 posted on 08/31/2008 4:44:32 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: cgk
Yet, the same outraged protectors of our values have no trouble questioning Obama’s judgment: a nodding acquaintance with someone in his neighborhood

That "someone" in "Obama's neighborhood" put Obama in charge of spending FORTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
36 posted on 08/31/2008 4:45:18 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW! PAY LESS!)
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To: brytlea

And I’ll bet the same blogger who made the mooseburger comment will then in their next breathe lament namecalling.


37 posted on 08/31/2008 4:45:32 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (I had a dream last night that I kissed Jennifer Garner)
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To: cgk

As someone once said...
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is terminal.


38 posted on 08/31/2008 4:46:48 PM PDT by jackv
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To: cgk

Sarah Palin had already given birth four times. I bet she knew exactly what she was doing.


39 posted on 08/31/2008 4:47:09 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: woofer

LMAO!

He’s not one of those things in that movie, what was the name of that...

Men in Black?


40 posted on 08/31/2008 4:47:17 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Palin is more man than Colmes ever was, and more woman than he’ll ever get.


41 posted on 08/31/2008 4:47:43 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (The only thing Obama's been running for 4 years is his mouth.)
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To: cgk

Thank you cgk for this thread.
This is the only “Colmes” related thread I will post just one statement in.

Colmes is a typical liberal.
He will do anything and say anything for personal attention, personal gratification and ratings.

Generally speaking, liberals do not have the ability to think things through.
They generally thrive on their feelings, their emotions, their passions, their
agendas, sound bites, and glossy visuals.

Back to Colmes, he is today’s winner of the STUCK ON STUPID award and the IDIOT ALERT award.


42 posted on 08/31/2008 4:47:58 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: cgk
We need another one just to make them squirm a little more... Republicans: The Party for Families.

I'm not sure this would make them squirm. The Obama supporters are so anti-family, they are probably considering using the same slogan (can't allow "breeders", now, can we?)

43 posted on 08/31/2008 4:51:28 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: cgk
The scariest thing he said:

But as a parent myself

Egads, he' reproduced!!

44 posted on 08/31/2008 4:51:37 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: cgk

Colmes is putrid.

I dont know how hannity has restrained himself from wringing that geek’s pencil neck.


45 posted on 08/31/2008 4:51:50 PM PDT by Canedawg (Sarah Palin Rocks! McCain-Palin '08)
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To: wintertime

Obama and Ayers had more like a ‘nod and a winking’ acquaintence...


46 posted on 08/31/2008 4:53:25 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: scooby321

I, too, have seen the wooden Indian statue in Cherokee, and you just insulted it by comparing it to Colmes.

What’s that joke: He fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down?


47 posted on 08/31/2008 4:53:31 PM PDT by opocno (France, the other dead meat)
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To: HIDEK6
Nothing at all wrong with Ms. Palin being aptly caricatured as Princess Moosebuger. Plenty wrong with Ms. Obama being aptly caricatured as Angela Davis.

48 posted on 08/31/2008 4:53:44 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: cgk
Ten to one Alan "Jerkboy" Colmes loses his keen sense of what good judgment is when the question of why in the world Palin's ex-brother-in-law thought it was a good idea to Tase his step son (because the kid asked! Honest! And it was on the test setting! Honest!).

All things are completely subjective with the Left, and they'll be the judge of that. Or, at least as many Leftist federal judges they can pack the federal courts with.

49 posted on 08/31/2008 4:56:54 PM PDT by an amused spectator (That would be... harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan.)
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I can listen to Hannity on radio, but not TV. When Colmes comes on he is so completely obnoxious most of the time and mainly because he SPINS...and this Sarah Palin is a perfect example of it...especially because he doesn’t have the facts and is only interested in throwing mud...UGGGG. I wrote to Hannitty and told him to shake lose of this guy, and put another message on the Colmes link which told him where to put it.


50 posted on 08/31/2008 4:56:57 PM PDT by cousair
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