Posted on 09/02/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by null and void
The Dutch intelligence service, the AIVD, has called off an operation aimed at infiltrating and sabotaging Iran's weapons industry due to an assessment that a US attack on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program is imminent, according to a report in the country's De Telegraaf newspaper on Friday.
The report claimed that the Dutch operation had been "extremely successful," and had been stopped because the US military was planning to hit targets that were "connected with the Dutch espionage action."
The impending air-strike on Iran was to be carried out by unmanned aircraft "within weeks," the report claimed, quoting "well placed" sources.
The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the De Telegraaf report.
According to the report, information gleaned from the AIVD's operation in Iran has provided several of the targets that are to be attacked in the strike, including "parts for missiles and launching equipment."
"Information from the AIVD operation has been shared in recent years with the CIA," the report said.
On Saturday, Iran's Deputy Chief of Staff General Masoud Jazayeri warned that should the United States or Israel attack Iran, it would be the start of another World War.
On Friday, Ma'ariv reported that Israel had made a strategic decision to deny Iran military nuclear capability and would not hesitate "to take whatever means necessary" to prevent Teheran from achieving its nuclear goals.
According to the report, whether the United States and Western countries succeed in thwarting the Islamic Republic's nuclear ambitions diplomatically, through sanctions, or whether a US strike on Iran is eventually decided upon, Jerusalem has begun preparing for a separate, independent military strike.
May I suggest 9/11 as an appropriate date?
>>May I suggest 9/11 as an appropriate date? <<
Yes. Yes, you may.
Better be after the election, not before.
Good thing they weren't "rumors"./s How many times do we get to "almost" attack Iran. This also "may" be the summer all the arctic ice melts.
You’re gonna get hit by the ‘previously posted’ police but I don’t care.
This has disinformation all over it.
The US does not have a UCAV in its inventory capable of carrying the ordinance necessary to disable or destroy the targets.
Unless of course we built A LOT of previously unknown toys. I doubt it though. But ICBMs are technically “unmanned” ...
Too bad we can't tip 'em with Biden and Obama.
If Barry wins, there will probably be an attack between election day and inauguration day. If McCain wins, then Bush will probably leave the Iran issue for McCain to deal with.
Story posted earlier. My sources confirmed it.
Is this the same Dutch Intel organization that somehow missed predicting the Nazi invasion of Holland?
Nope, not gonna happen yet.
First, I don't think we posses a great quantities of unmanned aerial vehicles that could deliver a sufficient payload to destroy the said targets? I could be wrong here, and I'd love to be proven wrong on this point.
Secondly, if you're telegraphing a message that we're going to target "parts for missiles and launching equipment."; well, isn't it safe to assume that, within hours, the said targets could be transported somewhere else/hidden in the desert somewhere/disassembled and dispersed/etc.)?
Thirdly...isn't the main "target" the reactor(s) and the centrifuges they claim to posses? Methinks a little more than a few firecrackers from unmanned drones is going to be needed to destroy those things, or render them inoperable.
Rumor has it that Ahmedinejad has rounded up all the gays in Iran and is fleeing to Switzerland on September 11.
Unless of course we built A LOT of previously unknown toys. I doubt it though.
We didn't have stealth fighters or bombers either.
I bet my dad knows about some of these things. He'd NEVER tell even me as long as they are still black, though.
Dammit.
But ICBMs are technically “unmanned”
I like the way you think...
Must be pretty good;
Keeping it a total secret that the Dutch even possessed an active covert agency capable of penetrating the nuclear industry of another country. One of the countries that kicked them to the ground for publishing cartoons.
Too bad some journalist spilled the tulips at this time - just before a US election and all that...
They'd still be unmanned, wouldn't they?
To be fair, Holland’s government at the time was dominated by socialist pacifists who were betting on neutrality like in WWI. I suppose in those days their intel organization was working as well as the American’s during Pearl Harbor!
Additionally, the Telegraaf newspaper is not one to take serious for news, as it is primarily a gossip and sensationalist type of publication. They primarily focus on celebrity news, and when they do cover ‘real news’, they usually get it wrong. In a recent article about Governor Palin they used the Daily Kos as a source... ‘nuf said.
If it happens before the election, then Obama will win in a walk.
the dutch??? don’t you mean the swamp germans?
“Dutch intel”
Oh, that Scrappleface, lol!
Hey! They're at least as good as our CIA, the same CIA that found out the Soviet Union had (totally unexpectedly by them) collapsed by watching CNN...
The search function died more than a week ago.
Now that sounds like misdirection on a Rovian scale....
The Dutch "admit" to a newspaper that they've been running a "highly successful" covert operation within Iran, but have pulled out because the US is "planning" to strike the places the Dutch have been working....
The Iranians are left with a problem ... have the Dutch really successfully infiltrated? Is the US really planning to strike? Either way -- should they do something about their sensitive facilities and, if so, what?
At the very least, I suspect that this sort of announcement will result in greater (and more visible) security....
And as a result we might find out which sites the Iranians are most worried about.
Dutch Intel???
And where did they get this info? From a hooker in the Damascus Ramada Inn?
C’mon now, seriously folks....
Pure crap.
This Dutch paper says the US will attack Iran with drones !!!! Are you kiddin’ me ?
And do you imagine the Dutch attacking secretly the Iranian nuclear program ? Dutch would not be able to catch Bin Laden if he showed up in the Dutch Parliament...
This story is pure fantasy.
When the search function is fixed I'll start caring again.
Maybe Israel or the US trying to get Iran to move its nuke making toys around, and thereby reveal the location and extent of some of this stuff.
Cruise missiles qualify?
Dunno. We're a lot more clever than most credit us.
Secondly, if you're telegraphing a message that we're going to target "parts for missiles and launching equipment."; well, isn't it safe to assume that, within hours, the said targets could be transported somewhere else/hidden in the desert somewhere/disassembled and dispersed/etc.)?
Which prevents them from being used all that time, and exposes them in transit, to boot.
Thirdly...isn't the main "target" the reactor(s) and the centrifuges they claim to posses? Methinks a little more than a few firecrackers from unmanned drones is going to be needed to destroy those things, or render them inoperable.
Me too. Good thing I told the former head of DARPA exactly how to do it a few years back...
Dutch intel? Must be some radical Amish sect.
Ja. They are careful among the English...
There’s no need for unmanned aircraft on this mission, except to reduce the risk of loss on egress— or we just wanna show off ;-) . The B-2s and F-22s plus EW jamming assets are fully capable of putting sufficient ordinance on the targets and exiting the AO.
If the gomers got aircraft in the air after important stuff started blowing up they might be able to get a skin paint even on a B-2 if they had their radar on full power search. B-2s are not fast (high subsonic) enough to elude lots of angry Iranian aircraft. Neither are they invisible to detection technologies. They are very-low-observables. They need their F-22 buddies nearby.
We could likely jam and confuse their IFF systems and their SAMs would hit more of their own aircraft than anything. Raptors would get even more. But the missions plan would likely include friendly losses to SAMS, ACM (dogfights) and golden BBs.
Mission planning would likely include significant use of ‘music’ (jamming), F-22s, and SPEC OPS on the ground. The B-2s can carry GPS guided bombs with significant stand-off (glide) range, adding to their stealth. But the ordinance is not terribly stealthy. oops. Also some good ol’ fashioned air defense suppression assets would be in the mix, again especially for egress. We’d not just target their nuclear facilities, but also their C3I assets. It would be a BIG mission, not just a shock and awe video show.
If you strike at the queen, you cannot miss. LOTS of assets would have to be at DEFCON 1 to be ready for any response, and it’s hard to hide that from an enemy likely to be looking.
This is not a trivial undertaking.
The bad guys likely monitor every takeoff and landing of the B-2s from MO. and Guam. Surprise is limited.
I’m rambling.
I still see this piece as disinformation.
Sorta. Not enough punch for these kinda hardened targets.
Best way to kill these targets is from the inside.
A lot of wasted discussion about how the Israelis might FLY to Iran and bomb something.
Why bother when you can plant explosives on the inside?
M O S S A D
Maybe. 90% of the game is half mental. Destroy the front line's faith in it's command structure is nearly as effective as destroying the buildings and killing the people.
Not as visually impressive as lots and lots of flashes and loud noises, but more a subtle poison to the entire chain of command.
If you strike at the queen, you cannot miss.
True. Better to terrify her court into doing it for you.
The bad guys likely monitor every takeoff and landing of the B-2s from MO. and Guam. Surprise is limited.
And Diego Garcia. Area 51 maybe not so much...
I’m rambling.
You ramble in a more thoughtful and orderly fashion than most can achieve with considerable effort.
I still see this piece as disinformation.
Maybe it is. Even if the Iranians think so, too, they can't quite be sure...
As a brief follow on to your thought about motivating the queen’s court and removing the enemy’s faith in their command:
Defeat your enemy, then go to war. — Sun Tsu.
And WRT Diego Garcia:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/752692/posts
An op from Area 51 would be a brutal mission. No great circle routes open. Serious crew rest issue. But doable.
I still think the threat of “bombing nuclear facilities” is for public consumption. (ours and their public) These targets will die from the inside, magically. They will be forever contaminated by lethal nuclear radiation. Dirty bombs look a lot like careless handling with the right mix of ingredients. (no need for the smoking holes) Just my opinion.
For manned aircraft, yes.
Even the guys in the trailer get tired ;-p
Imagine what a B-2 could carry w/o crew-space/ life support etc.
If they do have nukes.. Well then we have at least a theater wide nuclear war.
And when you factor in the fact that Russia will not like us messing with their buddy, attacking Iran could start WWIII.
Better if we give the Israeli's some new toys and tell them “have fun!”
I don’t much care who does it.
Best if it looks like an accident or ‘an act of God’ (ours, not theirs), IMHO.
You must have missed III. We lost almost 100,000 KIA in that one.
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