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Ukraine to increase rent for Russian Fleet by up to 25 times
russia today ^ | September 2, 2008, | afp

Posted on 09/02/2008 3:51:12 PM PDT by Flavius

From January 1, 2009, the Ukrainian leadership is planning to put up the rent for the Crimean territories where Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is stationed, according to Russia’s Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper. It claims the corresponding documents are being prepared by Ukraine’s Ministries of Foreign Relations and Defence.

The rent price was calculated in 1997 and defined in the treaty of disposition of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet on the territory of Ukraine. The calculations took into consideration the Ukraine’s debt to Russia, which at the time was $US 2 billion, and the cost of renting port facilities was agreed at $US 98 million.

Currently, Ukrainian debt to Russia is estimated at $US 1.3 billion.

Nevertheless, Ukraine’s former Defence Minister and now a member of parliament Anatoly Gritsenko says the country should pay off the debt and put up the rent – to $US 1 billion a year at least. His colleague Yury Kostenko believes the price should be $US 2.5 billion.

(Excerpt) Read more at russiatoday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: blacksea; geopolitics; ukraine

1 posted on 09/02/2008 3:51:13 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Ukraine is basically telling the Soviets...er...Russians, to get out.


2 posted on 09/02/2008 3:52:39 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("I will stand with the Muslims" - Barack Hussein Obama p. 261 "Audacity of Hope")
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To: Flavius

If your going into the “ war mongering “ business be prepared to have the contractors raise the rates. The US pays a lot for our excursions and Russia is finding out how much the world will charge for such actions.


3 posted on 09/02/2008 3:55:13 PM PDT by Liaison
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To: Flavius

WHOA! Ballsy move on the part of Ukraine. I work with a Ukrainian kid, I need to get his take on all the BS the Rooskies have been pulling of late.


4 posted on 09/02/2008 3:55:44 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Satire today, headlines tomorrow...)
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To: PeterFinn

You had it right the first time...


5 posted on 09/02/2008 3:56:43 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Flavius
Match the rental cost to the cost of the natural gas that Russia sends to Ukraine + 50%. If they don't pay, sink ALL the Russian ships in Ukrainian waters and watch Russia growl in pain.
6 posted on 09/02/2008 3:57:52 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Flavius

Ukraine is playing a dangerous game. Hope they can back up their rhetoric (without our support).


7 posted on 09/02/2008 4:00:48 PM PDT by microgood
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To: lesser_satan

Hee Hee...Go Ukraine!


8 posted on 09/02/2008 4:10:53 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: microgood

I suppose they should just sit and wait...and wait...
If they are going to do a bold move, NOW is the time.


9 posted on 09/02/2008 4:12:01 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Flavius

Heh heh heh...


10 posted on 09/02/2008 4:13:32 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: WellyP

Don’t sink the ships... just offer a day of free shore leave, paid for by the Ukrainian government.

Then, while the Russian sailors are enjoying themselves... Ukrainian forces seize the ships.

Presto, instant expansion of the Ukrainian Navy.

As for the now ship-less Russian sailors, send them back to Russia via train.


11 posted on 09/02/2008 4:15:29 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: WellyP

Don’t sink the ships... just offer a day of free shore leave, paid for by the Ukrainian government.

Then, while the Russian sailors are enjoying themselves... Ukrainian forces seize the ships.

Presto, instant expansion of the Ukrainian Navy.

As for the now ship-less Russian sailors, send them back to Russia via train.


12 posted on 09/02/2008 4:15:35 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: lesser_satan

I hope pootie doesn’t break out the bottle of poison.


13 posted on 09/02/2008 4:17:40 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: PeterFinn
If the Ukraine pushes too much, Russia will take what it wants or needs. And there will be no help coming from the West. That’s just the truth.
14 posted on 09/02/2008 4:19:32 PM PDT by webrover
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To: WellyP
Who is gonna’ sink all the Russian ships?
15 posted on 09/02/2008 4:21:16 PM PDT by webrover
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To: microgood
They can't. Rice must be sending them the wrong message.
16 posted on 09/02/2008 4:22:37 PM PDT by webrover
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I don’t want to see those folks butchered.


17 posted on 09/02/2008 4:23:31 PM PDT by webrover
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Who will come to their aid when the Russian hammer comes down?


18 posted on 09/02/2008 4:24:56 PM PDT by webrover
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To: All

Good move by Ukraine....I think they realize they have more resources to handle the Russkies than the Georgians do

Of course, when you have liberal Globalists in the White House and State Dept...there wont be the support. Now if Ukraine had a bunch of La Raza-supporting illegal alien gang-bangers...Jorge Boosh would be all helpful


19 posted on 09/02/2008 4:33:50 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If you are not voting third-party, you are definitely voting liberal)
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To: Flavius

This is going to be the next Danzig/Polish Corridor situation, and we all know what that led to.


20 posted on 09/02/2008 4:37:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (Thank God Football is Back! Go Gators!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
If they are going to do a bold move, NOW is the time.

If I am staring down a bear and all I have is a knife, I am not going to stick it in the eye with hot pokers. I think that would be asking for trouble.

The Ukraine is not holding a lot of cards here, and the Russians know what their hand is. They also now know the West will not come to their add (see Georgia).
21 posted on 09/02/2008 4:37:54 PM PDT by microgood
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To: webrover
Rice must be sending them the wrong message.

I would not be surprised if we put them up to this.
22 posted on 09/02/2008 4:40:19 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Flavius

Ukraine is on its own until we can slap the Europeans enough to get them into NATO. Once they are in NATO the problem is over. But until then, they should probably walk fairly carefully


23 posted on 09/02/2008 4:50:07 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Flavius

If I were the Ukrainians I would be coordinating my military defense with Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Bulgaria, & Romania. As a group they could stand up to the Soviets. Otherwise it will be hang divided. This crap is going to get real grim real fast.


24 posted on 09/02/2008 4:51:06 PM PDT by Humvee (Beliefs are more powerful than facts - Paulus Atreides)
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To: Humvee

The problem is that the Ukrainian military is divided. There are many Soviet holdouts loyal to Russia within itself. Many of those units will desert and join forces with the Soviets.


25 posted on 09/02/2008 5:12:27 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Humvee

Moving into Ukraine would be pushing it for russia...the Euroweenies are going to start swallowing Valium instead of Gummi bears!


26 posted on 09/02/2008 7:08:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: microgood

Well, Ukraine is standing firm and they know their limits. On the other hand, they have the baltic states and we will arm and support Georgia..we are already doing that.

the Ukrainians will bide their time, but even now, they stand strong.


27 posted on 09/02/2008 7:10:26 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Liaison

But unlike the US, Russia will just annex the Ukraine.


28 posted on 09/03/2008 9:36:55 AM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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