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Does Sarah flip the script on Dems; Should Obama replace Biden on the ticket?(Vanity)

Posted on 09/04/2008 9:47:14 AM PDT by lt.america

I noticed during the post speech coverage that many commentators were wondering out loud that maybe the Democrats may be having second thoughts about Biden vs. Palin. In listening to Rush this morning, he brought up the same thing, and I wonder if Sarah Palin has flipped the script and that the Democrats may be seeking a better match against Gov. Palin. Normally I would dismiss this, but this is a crazy election cycle and McCain has shown that he is continuing to out maneuver Obama in an election that should be a slam dunk for Dems and Obama may need a game changer. Any thoughts?


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KEYWORDS: biden; obama; replace; sarah
Sounds crazy, but I would not be surprised.
1 posted on 09/04/2008 9:47:14 AM PDT by lt.america
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To: lt.america

I don’t think so. He already has too much of a reputation of being an indecisive empty suit. That would confirm it. But he does need Hillary to campaign hard for him. She shouldn’t. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do.


2 posted on 09/04/2008 9:50:53 AM PDT by twigs
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To: lt.america
Any thoughts?

Has anyone noticed FR is really slow? Do you think it has anything to do with everyone posting vanities? Honest question.

3 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lt.america

It was my first thought after she spoke in Dayton. Hillary won’t get on this sinking ship (though, maybe she will, since Palin represents her death along with Obama’s), but Kathleen Abortion might.

They have to be seriously considering it. Biden was a major blunder. It won’t help them though, other than to get them into a news cycle or two, along with comparisons to McGovern.


4 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:27 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: lt.america

Lunchpail Joe could always suffer another convenient brain aneurysm and have to withdraw.


5 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:29 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: lt.america

The Dems might want to dump Biden but Bambi would NEVER do so because, that would mean he has to admit he made a mistake, and as we have seen with The Surge, Bambi’s huge and fragile ego prevents him from doing that.


6 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:54 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: lt.america

I doubt it. At least with Biden, Obama knows he doesn’t ever have to fear Ft. Marcy Park.

Plus, Hillary knows that if Obama wins, he’ll be a one-termer, regardless of whether or not she’s his VP. So why would she want to be on the ticket of a one-termer, when we’re sure to win in 2012?

IMHO, Hillary wants to be President now; not VP.


7 posted on 09/04/2008 9:53:23 AM PDT by library user (What say you, Messiah?)
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To: lt.america

Obama can’t afford to make a move against Biden. After such a public (and dramatically heightened) announcement of Biden as his running mate, were he to dumo Biden now, it would confirm what we already know - Obama makes bad decisions and isn’t ready to lead. He has made his bed and has to sleep in it.

McCain/Palin has spectacularly outmaneuvered the Obamessiah and it is game, set and match. Obama is done.


8 posted on 09/04/2008 9:53:57 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: lt.america

If Mr. Obama replaces Mr. Biden, Mr. O is toast.

It will be seen as a sign of bad judgement and indecision(which would be true).

Mr. Zero wants the gig too much to drop Mr. Biden at this juncture.


9 posted on 09/04/2008 9:54:01 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: lt.america

OBAMA-SHEEHAN!!!


10 posted on 09/04/2008 9:54:26 AM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: lt.america
Replacing Biden would represent weakness and fickleness.

It would create more problems than it solves for Obama.

It comes down to debates now.

Obama is used to giving prepared speeches - he has not done much debating in the US Senate, none in the IL state senate, and has no courtroom experience as a lawyer.

Senator McCain has been mixing it up in the Senate for years and speaks decently on his feet.

Biden is a seasoned debater - but he specializes in nasty gotcha moments, a tactic that will make him look like an arserag in a debate with Governor Palin.

After the dust from the RNC settles, the main poll movers will be the debates and any last-minute scandals or revelations that the MSM can cook up.

Dan Rather's incompetence compromised the MSM's ability to convincingly do the latter.

They threw everything they could find at Palin this week.

11 posted on 09/04/2008 9:54:39 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: AmericaUnited

They are having buyers remorse. Just who is supporting/funding Obomber? Beyond G. Soros we will likely find Russia and some Wahabai (Radical Islamists) funding and pushing this straw dog.


12 posted on 09/04/2008 9:55:05 AM PDT by Broker (Grandpa Petti Bones wants to know.)
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To: twigs
But he does need Hillary to campaign hard for him. She shouldn’t. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do.

Doesn't matter. It's too late in the process. How many days until the election? 62 or 63?

13 posted on 09/04/2008 9:55:05 AM PDT by library user (What say you, Messiah?)
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To: lt.america

If people think Hillary will step in, doubtful. Hillary hated Tipper Gore and Hillary was top banana in that relationship. Can anyone imagine Hillary or Bill playing second fiddle for 4 years to Obama and that scowling Michele? Even Obama couldn’t keep up with the Clinton ego. And she would be sabotaging her 2012 run which is underway.


14 posted on 09/04/2008 9:56:06 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: lt.america
I look for Obama to throw Biden under the bus, and name Hillary as his VP choice. Biden will have "health" problems or want to spend more time with his family. It is coming.

#3, yes FR is slow at least on this end.

15 posted on 09/04/2008 9:56:18 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: lt.america

The way I see it is Obama’s screwed if he does drop Biden and he’s screwed if he doesn’t.


16 posted on 09/04/2008 9:57:29 AM PDT by Allegra (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: lt.america

Nah....put Biden in a dress and put his plugs in a bun....the liberals will think he’s a mighty good looking liberal lady.....


17 posted on 09/04/2008 9:57:38 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: lt.america

The strangest thing to me about the Dems defense, they’re acting like Obama is running against Palin. I’ve not heard one comparison of Biden and Palen, but of Obama and Palen. When are they going to remember that Obama is running against McCain. Arguing experience against the VP is not a great strategy, but if that’s all you’ve got, guess you’ve gotta use it.


18 posted on 09/04/2008 9:57:40 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: lt.america

And then you’d see that Giuliani “I’d get that in writing” clip playing over and over and over again.


19 posted on 09/04/2008 9:58:48 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Obamaniacs to Governor Palin: Woman, shut your mouth and get back in the kitchen where you belong!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Obama would have to overcome “Hurricane Michelle” to allow Hildabeast on the ticket. Unlikely.


20 posted on 09/04/2008 9:59:25 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: twigs
But he does need Hillary to campaign hard for him.

Anybody got an update on Hillary's campaign schedule? I haven't seen hair nor hide of her since the DNC.

21 posted on 09/04/2008 10:00:26 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: Dawn531

It’s an argument that has backfired on them. They compared Obama to Palin because he has no experience and they thought the public would buy their argument that she has none either. Some do and we won’t get their votes, but we wouldn’t have anyway. Now that she has thrown their argument out of the ballpark, they may need to huddle to develop a new strategy. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.


22 posted on 09/04/2008 10:00:53 AM PDT by twigs
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To: lt.america

After Rudy telling Biden “ to get that VP thing in writing “
I don’t think he dares.

A friend said that Biden better bring his “ A “ game to the debate.
I replied- Biden doesn’t have an “ A “ game.
And let’s be honest- neither does Barry.
Hillary would have been a stronger, savvier and smoother candidate than both of these two buffoons put together.
The adults in the Democrat party must surely realize this by now.


23 posted on 09/04/2008 10:01:26 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: lt.america

Last night Rudy mentioned that “Biden better get that VP thing in writing.”

Personally, I think this was more than just a random stab, but a pre-emptive strike to make such a thing even more difficult for Obama. There was some talk on FR the other day about Biden being a little sauced at a PA rally. And I did some searching to find there are some rumors about that kind of thing. (I doubt any of it is substantiated). However, it hit me that this could be a way to replace Biden with Hillary. But, like others have said, that would be a huge sign of desperation so I doubt it would ever happen.


24 posted on 09/04/2008 10:01:49 AM PDT by 1curiousmind (Republican Resolve, Not Democrat Defeatism)
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To: lt.america
Don't you worry one bit about that biden fella. The one chose him because the two are a matched set, and you can't have one without the other.

biden makes up for those teeny little shortcomings of the one. Where the one is without experience, No. 2 has lots of it. Shucks to here him tell it he was the one who taught algore all about the Internet.

Even the socialist who have taken over the democrat party are smart enough to back away from what is about to envelope that group of traitors.

25 posted on 09/04/2008 10:02:06 AM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: lt.america

I watched pmsnbc last night—1st time in 4 or 5 years— I was looking for a little shadenfreude, and I got it. As Mark Steyn has written, the media attack on Sarah backfired big time. I knew she would knock it out of the park (just as I know she will kick Biden’s ass when the time comes) and I wanted to see the nbc turds treatment of her speech. You could tell they were aghast and had turned very, very worried. All in all, it was a pretty nice feeling.


26 posted on 09/04/2008 10:02:12 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: illiac
Nah....put Biden in a dress and put his plugs in a bun....the liberals will think he’s a mighty good looking liberal lady.....

LOL

Compared to most of the liberal women I've seen, he WOULD be good looking.
27 posted on 09/04/2008 10:02:41 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: wideawake

A good analysis. I think you’ve hit it.


28 posted on 09/04/2008 10:04:19 AM PDT by twigs
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To: lt.america

In order for this to work, Biden would have to resign, citing ‘personal reasons’, or some such. Obama can’t be seen to reject him. But, one wonders, wasn’t it Governor Palin that everyone was betting on Intrade would be the one to drop out. Even if Biden ‘quits’, it will be seen that Palin has scared Obama.


29 posted on 09/04/2008 10:04:19 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: illiac

Maybe Obama could make Biden go all the way and have the sex change operation. How bad does Obama want to win, anyway?


30 posted on 09/04/2008 10:06:50 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: lt.america

31 posted on 09/04/2008 10:07:58 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Gov. Granholm=Garbage)
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To: sportutegrl

Altho’ they may have trouble finding his luggage.....


32 posted on 09/04/2008 10:10:01 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: RckyRaCoCo

That looks like a time constrainted Photoshop job!


33 posted on 09/04/2008 10:11:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Thane_Banquo

LOL! Have to admit that was a great line.


34 posted on 09/04/2008 10:12:04 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I've done here today doesn't force you to have a negative opinion of me....)
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To: lt.america

1. Yes, she’s changed the dynamics of the race.

2. Barry shouldn’t have picked Bozo the Biden in the first place. That said, having picked him anyway and touted him as undoubtedly ready to be president if necessary, I think it’d be difficult if not impossible to dump him at this point. And even if he did bite the bullet and do it...everybody still saw him pick Biden in the first place, and it’s too late to unsee that genius move.


35 posted on 09/04/2008 10:20:24 AM PDT by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: Embrace The Suck.)
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To: lt.america

If Fauxbama flips his VP now, he basically is done. The VP pick is the first serious decision he’s had to make and if he calls for a mulligan on it, he’s done.

The Dems have made their bed. Why should Hillary run in and save Fauxbama? She wants President not VP.. she’s quite happy to sit back, watch him crash and burn and then run virtually unopposed as the president. Let the anti-Hillary folks learn their lesson and come crawling back in 12.

There is no net gain for HillBilly to save Fauxbama.


36 posted on 09/04/2008 10:22:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: lt.america

Did you hear Rudy’s comments about Obama’s pick for VP.

Rudy said that, considering Obama’s pattern of changing his mind, Biden should get the VP offer in writing. ha!


37 posted on 09/04/2008 10:23:07 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant has fallen and it can't get up.)
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To: lt.america
Sounds crazy, but I would not be surprised.

Not a chance. Obama could no more drop Biden at this stage than McCain could drop Palin should some unforseen issue come up. For better or worse, both presidential candidates will rise or fall with their vice-presidential picks.

38 posted on 09/04/2008 10:25:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: twigs
Hillary is screwed. She wanted Obama to lose, and then say "I told you so", and run again in 2012. However, now, if Obama does lose, McCain creates a new female star in Palin, and a rival who has everything that Hillary lacks--charisma, speaking skills, a beautiful family, doting husband, accomplishments at the workplace while raising a family and "baking cookies". If McCain wins now, Palin will provide a new feminist model, and in 4 years, Hillary will be old news. But if Obama wins, she knows that she will not be on a Dem ticket until 2016, when she will be really old news.

What to do, what to do. I will be very interested to see the tack Hillary takes. Right now, she is in the "throwing ashtrays and candlesticks" stage.

39 posted on 09/04/2008 10:31:16 AM PDT by Defiant (The Obamessiah creed: There was a pedophile named Mohammed, and Obama is his messenger.)
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To: library user
How many days until the election? 62 or 63?
November 4: Sixty days and a wakeup.
40 posted on 09/04/2008 10:32:30 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: lt.america

Too late. He’s stuck with a brainless, loudmouthed, plagarizing jackass who’s been in the Senate for 35 years. Plus, he’s stuck with Biden’s son and brother, who are currently being sued for fraud, and his daughter, who was arrested for assaulting a cop. So much for “change”.


41 posted on 09/04/2008 10:36:51 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: lt.america

One of the reasons Obama picked “President” Biden was because his (Obama’s)own résumé was so shallow in comparison to McCain’s... and now we know shallow in comparison to Palin’s experience/achievements also.

Obama needed someone to prop him up.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2071021/posts?page=6

The solution would be to replace community “organizer” Obama...

Unfortunately for the rats... it’s too late!

STE=Q


42 posted on 09/04/2008 10:46:02 AM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: HamiltonJay

If Fauxbama flips his VP now, he basically is done. The VP pick is the first serious decision he’s had to make and if he calls for a mulligan on it, he’s done.


Hi HJ,

Have you noticed...that’s all the Left seems to do, call for mulligans!

The biggest one in recent years? The War in Iraq.

The War in Iraq that was voted for by both Republicans and Democrats in large percentages.

The War in Iraq that was voted on in a Senate controlled by the DEMOCRATS (as a result of Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords) in 2002.

The War in Iraq that fulfilled an act signed in 1998 by a Democrat president, Bill Clinton.

The War in Iraq that community organizer Barack Delano Obama said he would have voted against, had he been in the Senate at the time (versus his veep candidate Biden and his opponent, McCain, who were in the Senate and DID vote for it.)

The War in Iraq, for which both losers on the last Democrat presidential ticket voted yes, and then one renounced two years later (Breck Girl) and one said “if I knew then what I know now, I would not have voted for it”.

To paraphrase President Bush, the Commander-in-Chief:

Presidents
Don’t
Get
Do-overs.


43 posted on 09/04/2008 10:50:45 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (No way, No how, NObama! *************McCain/Palin 08************)
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To: Dawn531

“Arguing{Obama’s}experience against the VP is not a great strategy”

Exactly!

It only contrasts the incompetents of Obama compared to McCain.

But it was never about Obam’s substance — or lack thereof — was it?

It was about the promises of ‘hope and ‘change’ that came out of the ‘Messiah’s’ mouth.

Funny, because it’s McCain that is actually delivering on the ‘hope and change’ theme.

STE=Q


44 posted on 09/04/2008 11:03:08 AM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: lt.america
Before leaving for work I saw Biden on CNN. For the umteenth time he repeated his canned response, “missing in her speech was health care, social security, education, etc.” BUT then after praising her delivery admitted he does not think he could win a debate against her. My jaw dropped.
45 posted on 09/04/2008 11:08:08 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: engrpat
Biden will have "health" problems

Yes, they could claim that a "Plug Recall" has been issued and that Biden will have to undergo extensive and time consuming replugging procedure ;-)

46 posted on 09/04/2008 11:09:33 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: lt.america

traitor. When the enemy is busy making a mistake don’t interrupt them. We want to run against Obama Biden, not Obama / Clinton.


47 posted on 09/04/2008 11:12:35 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: varon

Like it. Plug problem.


48 posted on 09/04/2008 11:15:28 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: engrpat

O will dispose of anyone who hinders his campaign. He will have no problem dissing Biden as a drag on the ticket.
O does not believe it is possible for him to do any wrong. He is annointed.
He will throw the Constitution out when he deems it appropriate and necessary to fulfill his divine purpose.


49 posted on 09/04/2008 12:47:17 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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To: lt.america; writer33; AT7Saluki
Will Obama Dump Biden Off the Ticket?
September 4, 2008

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: We'll start in Memphis with Chris. Nice to have you.

CALLER: Hey, Rush. Mega US Air Force dittos to you. It's an honor.

RUSH: Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate that.

CALLER: Hey, I think we need to take a little bit of time here to thank Barack Obama for bringing about the change that we've been hoping for.

RUSH: (laughter)

CALLER: Had he picked Clinton, we would have Sarah Palin, and he may have single-handedly breathed 12 years of life into the conservative movement that he didn't intend to, which I think the irony is just beautiful.

RUSH: That's an interesting perspective you've got out there, Chris. I have to applaud you for that. Had he chosen Hillary, yeah, we'd have gotten Lieberman or somebody. You know what I think is funny? All these people talk about how long is it going to be before McCain has to dump her. You know, they're thinking about at the Obama campaign, "We gotta get Hillary on here somehow. We gotta." Believe me, when CNN starts asking people about it, a lot of other people are thinking about it besides CNN.

CALLER: Well, you know, I just additional I really appreciate him because him being a change agent like he is, you know, he just really...

RUSH: (laughing)

CALLER: He really did infuse a lot of change into this campaign. But my wife, she said she had to get a point in here, too. She said, "You know, the new face of conservatism might be wearing a skirt and makeup."

RUSH: (laughter) And lipstick!

CALLER: Yeah.

RUSH: All right, Chris. That's great. Obama: Finally, change we can believe in. (laughing) I just love turning all this back on these people. I loved Rudy Giuliani last night. Rudy was as good as I have heard him, and he had a smile on his face the whole time -- and his teleprompter screwed up. Rudy was fabulous last night. Fred Thompson was great. This thing has just exceeded everybody's expectations. Muskegan, Michigan. A sad day in Michigan today as the mayor of Detroit has had to quit. He's going to go to jail for 120 days and be fined some money, admitted to two felonies. So he's going to have to seek future elective office in Washington, perhaps as mayor there. Bob in Muskegan, welcome to the program.

CALLER: Mega Iraq war dittos, Rush.

RUSH: Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.

CALLER: I was calling because I watched the Palin speech, and it was magnificent. And the thing that's going to make, I think, surprise a lot of people is when the media goes after this woman because she dares to be a woman who is successful and is not a liberal. She's a feminist, but she's pro-life, pro gun. She has children. She loves her husband. I think John McCain won by putting her on the ticket.

RUSH: No question. There's another factor about her that you have to remember Daniel Henninger of the Wall Street Journal pointed this out today. The one thing that will never be said of Sarah Palin is that she's a victim. Hillary Clinton makes herself a victim and tries to play on that. Other women, a lot of liberal feminism is based on victimhood. A lot of liberalism period is based on victimhood. Sarah Palin does not go into victim mode. In fact, she doesn't complain. She just doesn't seem to complain. Yep. She fights back, is the point. She doesn't take it. I'll tell you what, as a mother with five kids, she's not going to sit here and watch those kids be destroyed by these little gnats in the media.

END TRANSCRIPT

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090408/content/01125112.guest.html

50 posted on 09/04/2008 7:01:04 PM PDT by Libloather (September is Liberal Awareness Month.)
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