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"Lifelong Catholic?" (SF mayor plans to help launch drive against Save Marriage Initiative)
California Catholic Daily ^ | September 5, 2008 | staff

Posted on 09/05/2008 10:40:26 AM PDT by kellynla

San Francisco’s “Catholic” mayor will join tomorrow in the official launching of the “No on 8 – Equality for All Campaign” at the old Tower Records store on Market Street.

In early January, on the occasion of his inauguration to a second term, Mayor Gavin Newsom and his family attended a Mass at the historic Mission Dolores Basilica. And to this day he continues to describe himself as Catholic.

Newsom, said to have his eyes on the governorship, will be acting in open defiance of California’s bishops, who have officially endorsed Proposition 8 and have urged Catholics to support it.

But Newsom is no stranger to defiance of Church teachings or to thumbing his nose at prelates. It was Newsom who provoked a constitutional crisis in 2004 by granting marriage licenses to 4,000 same-sex couples in a case that eventually led to the May 15 California Supreme Court decision upholding same-sex marriages. Proposition 8 would undo that 4-3 ruling by amending the state constitution.

In 2006, the divorced San Francisco mayor, who describes himself as a “lifelong Catholic,” abruptly cancelled a trip to Rome for the installation of former San Francisco Archbishop William Levada as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Newsom said at the time that he decided to boycott Levada’s installation in protest over the Church’s prohibition on homosexuals adopting children.

In a February 2008 interview with The Santa Clara, the magazine of his Jesuit-run alma mater, Santa Clara University, Newsom said he “still has tremendous admiration for the Church and very strong faith.”

(Excerpt) Read more at calcatholic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2008; gavinnewsom; homosexualagenda; marriage; religiousleft; samesexmarriage; savemarriage

1 posted on 09/05/2008 10:40:26 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham; calcowgirl; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge

ping


2 posted on 09/05/2008 10:41:24 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

“Any twosome” Newsom. What a dork.


3 posted on 09/05/2008 10:43:14 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: kellynla

Sounds like ol’ Archbishop Niederaur has yet another long letter to write...


4 posted on 09/05/2008 10:46:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (McCain/Palin -- The winning ticket!)
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To: kellynla

Why don’t Newsom and Pelosi and the rest of the phony Catholics get together and start their own church? Or just come out of the closet as the pagans they already are. And stop confusing the public about what a Roman Catholic really is.


5 posted on 09/05/2008 10:49:38 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: kellynla
This is almost not worth commenting on - what a crack-head.
6 posted on 09/05/2008 10:51:12 AM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud to be "The self-righteous, gun-totin, military lovin, abortion-hatin, gay-loathin'...")
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To: kellynla

It’s not often that I feel as though my vote will have a state-wide impact here on the loony left coast, but you can bet your bippy that I’ll be there to vote for Prop-8 on election day.


7 posted on 09/05/2008 10:52:32 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Antoninus

...and another thing not to take action upon. Heck, he’ll probably go down to Tower Records himself. After all, this is the Archbishop that gave Communion to one of the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” who presented himself in full drag.


8 posted on 09/05/2008 10:55:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: kellynla
So when is the Roman Catholic church going to start bouncing open heretics from their midst? We are all sinners, and the church is open to all -- but a 'member' can't be in open defiance to the church's core beliefs, and still be a 'member' of the body.

So how exactly did Peter handle liars who tried to claim membership in his church?

Acts 5
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

Being a 'member' of the body of Christ is a serious commitment. We should all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling lest we are found to be liars. The Roman church does not do Mr. Newsom, and heretics like himself, a favor by pretending he is a 'member in good standing'.

9 posted on 09/05/2008 11:02:08 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

Excuse me?
Are you a Catholic?


10 posted on 09/05/2008 11:03:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

And still Newsom will be accepted in Catholic Church this Sunday.
He should be bared from attending.


11 posted on 09/05/2008 11:06:38 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: kellynla
Catholic yes.
Roman Catholic no.

12 posted on 09/05/2008 11:07:29 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: All

Defense of Marriage Proposition 8 YES bump!


13 posted on 09/05/2008 11:08:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kellynla

I think it’s getting to be the time to just quit voting for any politician who goes against Gods laws....The worst of these seem to be from the Catholic Church (Pelosi,Kennedy,Leahy, Biden, to name just a view, because they advertise their Catholicity,yet here they are receiving the Blessed Sacrament in front of millions of people and giving scandal at the same time....These are truly bad people, yet they are adulated by many in the Catholic Church, including bishops and priests.....To me it’s mind boggling!
I wonder how many of these hypocritacl bishops and priests “Do” lunch with the likes of a Nancy Pelosi or a Joe Biden, in order just to be seen with them...Sickning!!!


14 posted on 09/05/2008 11:11:08 AM PDT by Old Phone Man (ks)
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To: Joe Boucher

“And still Newsom will be accepted in Catholic Church this Sunday.
He should be bared from attending.”

First, I “think” you meant to say “barred” from attending. LOL

But, everyone is welcome...remember, as Christians, we are supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner...

As long as anyone has a breath in their body; they have an opportunity to confess their sins, ask God for forgiveness, repent and save their soul.

And isn’t that what Jesus wants for us all.


15 posted on 09/05/2008 11:13:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Forward this to his bishop because they will respond if they get enough flack.


16 posted on 09/05/2008 11:18:29 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Old Phone Man

Well, one reason that the worse seem to be Catholic is that most other Christian denominations don’t have such a firm teaching on abortion or Eucharist, for that matter. So it almost necesarily will be Catholics because the waters are muddy on many non-Catholic Christian teachings. In Catholicism the teaching is very, very clear and when you oppose it you oppose it willingly.


17 posted on 09/05/2008 11:23:45 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Old Phone Man

“hypocritacl bishops and priests?”

First, I think you meant “hypocritical”...

And excuse me, but are you a Catholic?

You’re pretty quick to label priests & bishops “hypocritical?”
Just who died and made you “judge & jury?”

the rest of your post is so ridiculous, I won’t even dignify it with a response...

sheeeeeeeeeeesh...


18 posted on 09/05/2008 11:25:44 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: El Cid

“Catholic yes.
Roman Catholic no?”

And just what does that mean?


19 posted on 09/05/2008 11:28:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


20 posted on 09/05/2008 11:31:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: kellynla
The Wikipedia definition looks close enough, and is convenient for cut and paste:

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective 'καθολικός' / 'katholikos', meaning "general" or "universal" [1] In the context of Christian ecclesiology it has a rich history and several usages. Roman Catholics use the term "Catholic Church" to refer to the Church, whether Western or Eastern, in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. Protestants use it to refer to the entire body of believers in Jesus Christ.

Part of the entire body of believers in Jesus Christ (Catholic): Yes.
In "full communion with the Bishop of Rome" (Roman Catholic): No.

21 posted on 09/05/2008 11:39:03 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
In "full communion with the Bishop of Rome" (Roman Catholic): No.

Well that explains your posts...
Maybe you, Newsom, Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy & Kerry can start your own church...
How 'bout, the "Cafeteria Catholics" LOL
22 posted on 09/05/2008 11:52:49 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Well that explains your posts...
Maybe you, Newsom, Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy & Kerry can start your own church...

In my Post #9 (my first post to this thread) I asked the question as to why the Roman Catholic church had not bounced heretics, such as Mr. Newsom, from their ranks. My intent was for them to do so - for the church's own good - as well as for the heretics' own good (it doesn't help them to live a delusion) -- it wasn't to have them join 'my' church - if they insist on remaining unrepentant and unwashed.
It was just a suggestion. By all means -- if you want them as they are (unrepentant, and no desire to repent) - please keep them...

23 posted on 09/05/2008 12:09:48 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: kellynla

What are you some kind of nut? So I spelled hypocritical wrong, I was always one of the most stupid kids at St James Boys School and Archbishop Riordan High School in San Francisco back in the ‘40’s and 50’s. Some of the Brothers who taught me gave me brain damage too, punching me around like they did....
The Holy Spirit must be watching over me though because I still go to mass, communion , and confession.....

I still think that many Catholic Bishop’s priests, and religious are hypocritical rubbing elbows with the likes of people like Biden, Pelosi, and others and not calling them down in public for their horrible actions supporting abortion and gay marriage.

I figure that the Holy Spirit still loves me too


24 posted on 09/05/2008 1:00:14 PM PDT by Old Phone Man (ks)
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To: kellynla

Like I said at our KofC meeting last night, “We are are at the Florence and Normandie of a spiritual war”

RD


25 posted on 09/05/2008 1:10:09 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Old Phone Man

“What are you some kind of nut?”

You must be looking in the mirror. LMAO


26 posted on 09/05/2008 1:10:30 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: beethovenfan
Nuff said.
27 posted on 09/05/2008 2:50:02 PM PDT by hout8475
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To: Core_Conservative

Bring back the Crusade, but this time to SF “newsounce” & “peelousy”.


28 posted on 09/05/2008 7:14:04 PM PDT by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Turn Home Depot's into the prisons to hold the illegals!.)
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To: kellynla

I thought Newsom was an atheist.

He definitely isn’t a Catholic at all. He is a CINO Catholic In Name Only.

Niedrauer needs to send him a letter too.


29 posted on 09/05/2008 8:23:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Antoninus
San Francisco Archbishop addresses recent comments made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
The Speaker's Archbishop Speaks

30 posted on 09/05/2008 8:24:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Joe Boucher

He can attend Mass, he just can’t receive Communion. He must go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, repenet of his sins, and promise to change his ways to receive Communion.

I really don’t think that will happen, do you? BTW are you a Catholic?


31 posted on 09/05/2008 8:26:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: El Cid

so you are saying that you are catholic with a small ‘c’ meaning universal. Many proptestants could fall under that category.

But you are also saying that you are NOT a Catholic with a capital ‘C’.

Am I correct?

Exactly what church/denomination do you attend then?


32 posted on 09/05/2008 8:30:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla; All

So what, Mayor Gavin says, “I’m being faithful to the ‘social justice’ and ‘common good’ message of my Church, and we are all sinners are we not”; which liberal Catholics like him are very well versed and educated in.


33 posted on 09/05/2008 9:11:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Salvation
Hi Salvation,

I tried to answer this in Post #22 (kellyna had the same question). My intent wasn't so much to be cryptic - but I didn't think it was germane to the original post (i.e., my suggestion that Mr. Newsom should get the 'boot' from the church), and I hadn't intended to get into interdenominational discussions. But essentially you are correct. From my Post #22:

The Wikipedia definition looks close enough, and is convenient for cut and paste:

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective 'καθολικός' / 'katholikos', meaning "general" or "universal" [1] In the context of Christian ecclesiology it has a rich history and several usages. Roman Catholics use the term "Catholic Church" to refer to the Church, whether Western or Eastern, in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. Protestants use it to refer to the entire body of believers in Jesus Christ.

Part of the entire body of believers in Jesus Christ (Catholic): Yes.
In "full communion with the Bishop of Rome" (Roman Catholic): No.

Which church/denomination do I attend? Currently an independent Baptist church. Based on sermons I've heard, and from what I've read on their website, I'd prefer the Free Presbyterian Church -- however there aren't any in California, let alone the SF Bay Area.

God Bless.

34 posted on 09/05/2008 9:15:04 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

I guess I just wanted to see it in your words rather than wiki’s. They are too far left for me to trust them. I use them to look something up now and then, but I go further and verify with another source.

Amazing results.


35 posted on 09/05/2008 9:23:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

No I do not think he will nor do I think any of these “liberal” politicians.

Yes.


36 posted on 09/06/2008 2:39:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Old Phone Man
I think it’s getting to be the time to just quit voting for any politician who goes against Gods laws....

Good luck with that. Many old-time Democrats would vote for the Antichrist manifest to the world as long as he were a Democrat. My former landlord was a FDR worshiper, and all my verifiable arguments of what modern Democrats support - abortion on demand, homo-"marriage", higher taxes on everyone, confiscation of property, etc. - just went in one ear and out the other. He was completely blind to the facts. It was like talking to someone with a mental illness. And he was fairly conservative in his world-view!

37 posted on 09/06/2008 4:13:26 AM PDT by fwdude
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