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Obama's 'Present' Voting Called Into Question by Palin, Others
DiversityInc ^ | 5 Sep | Kevin Canessa, Jr.

Posted on 09/06/2008 7:38:27 AM PDT by flowerplough

There's a little-known parliamentary vote politicians can use to avoid voting for or against a measure. It's called voting "present," and it is equivalent to what local governments often call "abstaining" from a vote. While he was in the Illinois State Senate, Democratic presidential-candidate Barack Obama voted "present" 130 times, according to a 2007 article in The New York Times.

Why would a politician vote "present"? It depends.

According to the article, Obama voted "present" on several pieces of legislation that he felt had provisions he could neither support nor reject. He also voted "present" on legislation he believed was formed unconstitutionally. So rather than voting completely in favor of a measure--or voting to reject it--he instead chose to vote "present," so as not to affect the outcome of the final vote.

( ... )

His opponents say the "present" votes demonstrate a reluctance to make tough decisions--a trait he'll need if he's elected president.

(Excerpt) Read more at diversityinc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: coward; mccainpalin; obama; obamabiden; obamarecord; present
A Diversi-loonie ripoff of others' work - they even link to the "full story" in the New York el Tiempos and Chicago Tribune. And good luck to those who try to make sense out of that last sentence excerpted. I think I got what the author meant, but it took a few tries.
1 posted on 09/06/2008 7:38:27 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

This is the equivalent of “everybody lies about sex.”


2 posted on 09/06/2008 7:39:29 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: flowerplough

Why would a politician vote “present”? It depends.

Like on his/her intelligence and effort to learn about the issues?


3 posted on 09/06/2008 7:41:06 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: flowerplough
Obama voted "present" 130 times

Out of how many votes? The statistic means little without context.

4 posted on 09/06/2008 7:41:31 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: flowerplough
Obama is like John Kerry - except he could never make up his mind!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/06/2008 7:42:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
A legislator doesn't have to make a decision. I'm surprised Hillary overlooked this one during the primaries. I think you could make a commercial about how Obama avoided assembling a record that might be used against someday. He's really an empty suit!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 09/06/2008 7:44:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: flowerplough
Soros forgot to tell IT how to vote.:)
7 posted on 09/06/2008 7:45:13 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: ctdonath2
In fact, in the article, his aides explain that since he cast votes on more than 4,000 measures, the 130 "present" votes represent a small percentage.

Yet the article also reveals that on 36 occasions, Obama was the only member of the state senate to vote "present."

8 posted on 09/06/2008 7:46:38 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: goldstategop

“how Obama avoided assembling a record that might be used against hiim someday”

That’s an excellent point. Considering this clown is a career politician who’s never contributed but always sought the power of the limelight, why would he stick his skinny neck out to demonstrate his lack of intellect and expose his leftist agenda?


9 posted on 09/06/2008 7:49:50 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: ctdonath2
A Leader should never vote "Present" on anything.

That is quite possibly the most cowardly thing that a person could do when faced with a decision.

Just imagine if President Reagan had voted "Present" after the Libyans conducted terrorist operations against our Soldiers in Berlin.

Obama is not only a liar and a racist, but he is a COWARD as well.

10 posted on 09/06/2008 7:50:43 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: flowerplough

This article votes “present”.


11 posted on 09/06/2008 7:50:54 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: flowerplough
Have there been any articles that compared Obama's present voting record versus the average for IL legislators? I'm curious if he was the worst at this practice, or one of the worst, or where his present voting record is compared to others.

Even if there were a lot of others voting present, and Obama wasn't the worst offender, I still think that the issue is damaging for him, but if he can be statistically shown to have been the worst, or near worst, present voter, it makes the issue that much more of a club to whup him upside his mush-filled head.

12 posted on 09/06/2008 7:53:24 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: flowerplough

The article (and many others) mentions “aides” and their explanation of things. Why does someone as omnipotent as he need so many aides and advisors? I want a president who can make decisions on his/her own and think for his/her self on personal questions.


13 posted on 09/06/2008 7:54:00 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me
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To: goldstategop

I heard that Obama said yesterday, “I used to think that I was undecided, but now, I’m just not sure!” /joke


14 posted on 09/06/2008 7:54:19 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant is dancing for the lady from Alaska)
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To: Prole

They should NOT allow them to vote “present”. We don’t vote people into office to not take a side. It’s a diservice to The People. Take a freak’n stand.


15 posted on 09/06/2008 7:57:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ctdonath2

130 out of 4000. That’s about 3%.


16 posted on 09/06/2008 7:59:03 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: flowerplough

In the midst of an old article (circa 2000) on Chicago politics, here’s what voting “present” means to Obama in his own words:

The “present” votes, Obama speculates, were cast by Republicans “who were embarrassed, who knew this was something they should be voting,” but didn’t want to defy party leaders.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/000317/


17 posted on 09/06/2008 7:59:37 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: flowerplough

The NYT article says voting “present” is a peculiar but acceptable vote in Illinois and that BHO did nothing more or different than his fellow Senators.
What they do not say, and something that is VERY important, is how many others with his few years in that body, have that many “present” votes on their record. Is that an aberration or average?

Anyone know?


18 posted on 09/06/2008 8:02:01 AM PDT by louie2
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To: Pontiac

Thanks for providing the present context, Pontiac. One of the best work cars I ever owned was one of yours- a ‘96 Grand Am with V-6 and automatic trans. Lasted for 200,000 miles, killed several stupid whitetail deer, and would give 30 mpg if babied.


19 posted on 09/06/2008 8:03:10 AM PDT by flowerplough ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: flowerplough
The vote 'present' shows indifference. If a bill doesn't have what you like in it, you vote against it, EVEN IF IT CONTAINS ITEMS YOU SUPPORT. How many times have we seen this on the national stage?

The fundamental reason for having elected officials is to make the tough decisions.

20 posted on 09/06/2008 8:04:10 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Palin has run a state, city, and a business. NObama has only run his mouth.)
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To: ctdonath2
Out of how many votes? The statistic means little without content.

"Obama's allies say the senator used the "present" votes in the Illinois State Senate not to duck issues, but instead to protest bills he believed were poorly formed. In fact, in the article, his aides explain that since he cast votes on more than 4,000 measures, the 130 "present" votes represent a small percentage./

"Yet the article also reveals that on 36 occasions, Obama was the only member of the state senate to vote "present."

Stuff from the article.

21 posted on 09/06/2008 8:07:54 AM PDT by sportutegrl (my bil, a pilot, told me that one about pilots.)
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To: flowerplough

I don’t want somebody who can’t make up his mind on a bill and votes present to be the one answering that phone at 3:00AM.

I want someone who has a very quick wit about them. Our lives and our families lives depend on that.


22 posted on 09/06/2008 8:08:37 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: Pistolshot

Rudy was all over this during his speech. I loved when he talked about the fact that, as mayor, a vote of present was not an option. He was thoroughly enjoying himself, almost laughing out loud at the thought!

In all positions of oversight, it’s a given that one is “present”. What is sought for/expected is leadership and the ability to make decisions. Zero’s record includes a rather extensive list of times he was unable to do this, yet they think he can lead.

Rudy was right to suggest that Zero’s record is, indeed, laughable.


23 posted on 09/06/2008 8:12:54 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: flowerplough

Wow. Even I could be a journalist! All I have to do is write articles about other peoples’ articles.


24 posted on 09/06/2008 8:14:05 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: flowerplough

From http://www.enterprisemission.com/Chandra-NASA-Accusation.htm

What made all this really special was the fact that the same source also said (and in this same phone call ...) that both presidential campaigns — McCain’s and Obama’s — had just had similar briefings (part of the normal “national security” procedures for every about-to-be-elected president). And that McCain (because of his 26 years of Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committtee experience ...) already knew most of what the briefing told him. The problem (so I was, again, “informed” ...) was with Obama:

He didn’t know whether to believe the briefing!

Obama’s major concern (according to this phone call) — given the mind-blowing, “history-changing” nature of the information (for most Americans ...) — was that he was being “gamed” by the Bush White House ... in a (literal) “mind-blowing attempt to set him up” ... for some kind of “credibility problem” in the campaign later on!


25 posted on 09/06/2008 8:19:14 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: flowerplough

Sounds like a typical politician.


26 posted on 09/06/2008 8:21:52 AM PDT by Lent
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To: louie2
The NYT article says voting “present” is a peculiar but acceptable vote in Illinois and that BHO did nothing more or different than his fellow Senators

In other words, Obama did nothing to distinguish himself from the other run-of-the-mill hacks in the IL legislature. THAT'S leadership we're looking for... < /s>

27 posted on 09/06/2008 8:26:29 AM PDT by mikrofon (McCain-Palin '08)
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To: flowerplough

You can’t expect this brilliant man with the new kind of intelligence (as per Mario Cuomo) to decide whether to vote yes or no.


28 posted on 09/06/2008 8:28:21 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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To: Egon

I have Obamas 110th Congress voting record and there are a lot of not votings. It appeasr he voted with the failed Harry Reid 98% of the time, but I need to dissect it some more. If anyone wants an Excel or PDF copy email me at nomsnbc@gmail.com


29 posted on 09/06/2008 8:55:13 AM PDT by cp124 (A Different America - Obama Bin Biden)
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To: flowerplough
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30 posted on 09/06/2008 9:15:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (o=)
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To: goldstategop
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31 posted on 09/06/2008 9:15:53 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (o=)
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To: flowerplough

Funny thing is, this WAS brought up during the primaries and went nowhere. Either Hillary’s campaign was really clueless or, from a media perspective, the fix was in.

Unfortunately it’s hard to bury a story when it’s mentioned in one of the most watched political speeches in US history.


32 posted on 09/06/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: flowerplough
So rather than voting completely in favor of a measure--or voting to reject it--he instead chose to vote "present," so as not to affect the outcome of the final vote.

So rather than making a decision that could provide an actual record of his actions, he has established a firm record of indecisiveness.

33 posted on 09/06/2008 9:47:57 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (She has a stronger resume than Obama. She's been a real mayor, he hasn't. She has been a real govern)
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To: MurrietaMadman

Achabamanutjob in Iran is going to be able to “game” Nobama easy as can be.


34 posted on 09/06/2008 10:11:39 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

You’d think even Democrats would understand when their candidate believes he’s being ‘gamed’ it’s a pretty fair indicator of how his mind works.

I’ll bet if he marketed “Change - The Game” Democrats would line up round the block to buy it.

They might buy it but they’ll never get it.


35 posted on 09/06/2008 3:58:00 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: flowerplough

I’ve been trying to find out how common voting “Present” is in the Illinois legislature. It’s widely reported that Obama voted “Present” 130 times. But there were lots of votes, and it amounted to one “Present” vote for every 30 or so votes cast. You can also find out that he was alone or nearly alone in voting present on some bills that were otherwise passed unanimously. But I’d like to know how he stacks up against his Illinois legislative peers in regard to the “Present” vote. Is one out of 30 high, low average, or outa-sight?


36 posted on 09/19/2008 5:47:00 PM PDT by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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