Posted on 09/06/2008 4:38:21 PM PDT by STE=Q
The day before McCain surprised the nation with his pick of Sarah Palin as his running mate, I had a ‘discussion’ with a woman I have known for many years.
Although well into the “gifted” range (so called “genius“ ) she has a penchant for choosing political losers!
She is a walking talking example that IQ and common sense do not necessarily follow the same ark.
I had once argued, that if I were President, I would put her on my staff as a reverse barometer; I would do the opposite of whatever course of action she would suggest I take -- in regards to my Presidential duties.
She is also a lefty!
I mean, FAR left.
She is so FAR left that, compared to her, Hillary Clinton is conservative!
Of course, she considers herself a “progressive”.
Who’d have guessed?
So it should be no surprise to you, my readers, that she thinks Obama is the greatest thing since hot-popped corn!
As an old-time liberal acquaintance of mine used to say of her -- and he considered himself pretty liberal in his day -- “she is WAY-OUT in LEFT field” (he was also a big baseball fan!)
SO HERE’S THE STORY:
I had sent her some links regarding the charge by one or more forensic experts that Obama’s certificate of live birth -- displayed on his “fight the smears” website (fightthesmears.com) -- is a poorly done forgery!
Sometime later we had a discussion on the phone about the implications of Obama not coming forth with his actual birth certificate or an authentic original copy.
“Why the fake certificate of live birth?” I asked her.
“I don’t think it’s a big deal,” she told me.
“What do you mean no big deal,” I said.
“Here’s what I think,” she said, “ Obama was born out of wedlock!”
“You mean he’s a bastard?” I said
“Yes,” she said.
Playing devils advocate, I argued … “who would care?”
“After all it wouldn’t be his fault if his mother was unwed when he was born,” I said.
“In this day and age what would be the big deal?” I continued.
“It would be a big deal,” she retorted.
“You mean he is ashamed?” I said.
“Yes,” she said.
“He would publish a poor forgery and hide his real birth certificate to cover it up?” I continued.
“Yes,” she said.
“A very poor forgery that could easily be discovered?” I said.
“He probably doesn’t even know,” she said.
“How could he not know?” I said.
“He might not,” she said.
Plausible deniability? I thought.
I let it go.
Then the discussion turned toward “other things” … and I had to hear the inevitable “hate Bush” tirade… words that spew forth from the mouth’s of lefties, like the turbulent waters that broke through the Levies in New Orleans propelled terribly, if irrationally, by hurricane Katrina.
After hanging up the phone the discussion I had with her, about the possibility of Obama being born out of wedlock, was pushed to the back of my mind where it was filed under:
Obama / birth / birth-certificate / cover-up / fake certificate of live birth / possible motives / illegitimate.
A couple of days passed and then came the announcement that John McCain had chosen Sarah Palin for his running mate, and I was energized by the prospect of an intelligent, well grounded, conservative woman -- a very beautiful woman -- as Vice President of the United states.
Then the story broke about her daughter Bristol being pregnant and not married.
And, of course, the mainstream media wolves -- ever hungry for red-meat -- were licking their chops!
Then Obama made the well known statement that children and family should be “out of bounds” and that, after all, “his own mother was only eighteen when she had him”.
When he said “ families are out of bounds” I got the impression that he was attempting to preclude any snooping into his own family background.
I smelled subterfuge.
He was using something straightforward and plausible to obfuscate.
But what was in his family background that he would be anxious to hide?
Being the dullard I am I didn’t immediately connect the dots.
Then it hit me:
That discussion I had with my “progressive” acquaintance about the possibility that Obama was born out of wedlock.
It was an “a-ha” moment!
Now I want everyone to know that I don’t think that if Obama were born ‘illegitimate’ that it should -- because of any perceived impropriety of his mother and father -- have any bearing on his qualifications (or lack thereof) to be President of the United States.
Apparently, one of America’s most famous leaders was born out of wedlock.
“By his own account, Hamilton was born in Charlestown, the capital of Nevis in the British West Indies, out of wedlock, to Rachel Faucett Lavien” (wikipedia)
So the question is:
Would an illegitimate birth generate enough shame within Obama, that in order to avoid such a stigma, he would cover it up by publishing a fake certificate of live birth, in lieu of a birth certificate or an original copy of one?
Does his authentic birth certificate actually say “father unknown” on it?
Or, perhaps, there is an authentic certificate of live birth with “father unknown” … written on it because his mother could not produce a marriage license, at the time of Obama’s birth.
However, as I suggested, such a revelation would not necessarily hurt him politically.
Let me tell you why.
I think if he were picked-on over this issue it would actually gain him sympathy with the public.
According to the leftwing, radical icon, Saul Alinsky:
“Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.” ( Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals)
Picking on Obama for “the sins” of his parents would garner sympathy from the public.
His parents being unmarried at his birth would be beyond his control.
Such an “attack” would be perceived as intrinsically unfair.
To judge him for this would be as bad as condemning him for the color of his skin.
Despite the propaganda that came out of Obama’s “former” mentor, reverend Wright:
It’s not the America most of us live in know.
OK… everybody … put on your tinfoil hats!
Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Got them on?
Is it possible that Obama WANT’S his illegitimacy to be discovered -- preferably by conservatives -- in order to garner public sympathy?
Look, no one opposes an Obama Presidency more than I, however, if he were beat-up solely on the basis of a perceived stigma of being born “illegitimate” even I would sympathize with him!
OK, you can take the tinfoil hats off now!
However, it is undeniable that the COVER-UP of such an event as his illegitimate birth would be within his control and, therefore, the public would be justified in debating the pros and cons of such a cover-up by Obama’s campaign:
He DID publish a fraudulent certificate of live birth.
There are also questions about whether his Mother’s being unmarried at the time of his birth would have on the well known “natural born citizen” requirement to become President, under The Constitution Of The United States.
So why the cover up?
The forged certificate of live birth?
Was Obama born to unwed parents?
Would shame of his “illegitimate” birth be enough of a motive for Obama’s campaign to publish a very poor forgery of a certificate of live birth… a forgery that they must have known had a good chance of being discovered as such?
Or is the Obama campaign hiding something that could be far more damaging?
A few years back I sent away for an original copy of my birth certificate.
I had lost mine.
The original copy paper says (not on the copy-image itself but on the copy paper to the left of the copy-image) “must be validated on back” … and there is a date and signature etc.
On the back is an embossed stamp together with more dates and signatures etc.
It cost me about ten dollars (in those days) for an official original copy of my birth certificate, on file at my state capital.
I got it in about ten days.
I was young and had moved to another state.
Having lost my birth certificate, I needed an original copy in order to get a driver license, a bank account, and ultimately… a job.
Employers -- especially companies that must report taxis and pay into workers compensation and other programs -- expect to see some sort of identification from a potential employee.
They like to know who they are hiring.
They also like to know that the employee is honest and trustworthy.
The American people may be “hiring” Barack Obama as the next President of The United States.
As a potential employee we (the People of the United States) would like Obama to submit legitimate identification, namely:
A birth certificate or an official original copy of his birth certificate.
I don’t think that’s asking too much from a potential employee.
By the way, Mr. Obama…
… A forgery is unacceptable!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
Being born out of wedlock adds points if you are a Dem.
But it aint about that.
He’s not a natural born citizen.
As they say in Mizzou: Show me.
You need to get a life.
What happened to the Obama relatives in Kenya who claimed they were at his birth? I thought they were the reason this birth certificate was thought a forgery, and the one found in Kenya for him the real one....does anyone know the real facts?
So his is a bastard. That puts him in the company of at least half of young blacks who don’t know if daddy is actually uncle and kids in the neighborhood of diffent mothers are frequently siblings.
In the black community of urban Chicago, he fits right in
“He’s not a natural born citizen.”
Perhaps!
This is what this article is about.
There are two things to know.
(1)Obama submitted a fake certificate of live birth.
(2)There IS a cover-up.
Therefore, only a second class citizen would not demand that Obama submit a legitimate birth certificate or an original copy.
Case closed!
We can’t be 100% what the reasons for the cover-up are.
Thats why we need to demand Obama submit a proper certificate.
That’s WHY I wrote this article!
Thanks for your post.
STE=Q
Ditto...
Obama has worse scandals for the media to look away from..
“He’s not a natural born citizen.”
He’s born to an American woman. He has citizenship. My aunt married a Czech scientist & left for Prague in ‘66. Gave birth to a son & a daughter in Prague. Both have dual citizenship.
Obama was born in Hawaii. He mentions rather matter-of-factly driving past the hospital where he was born when he returned to Hawaii from Indonesia in his book Lessons from My Father. As this book was written 13 years ago, it is hard for me to believe that he was making this up then anticipating a run for President.
ML/NJ
Yes, but Indonesia doesnt allow for duel citizenship, and there are four years of documents listing Barry as INDONEISAN MUSLIM.
Bite me. Obama sucks even if his COLB says he is a citizen.
Ciao, baby.
LLS
Looks like they forgot about checking thier play book before they went after Sarah.
I always thought a person had to be born on American soil to be eligible to be President.
I predict that, as "buyer's remorse" sets in among dimocrats, it will THEY who bring it up, in an attempt to get Hillary at the top of the ticket at the last minute.
As for Republicans, I imagine the RNC is fairly satisfied with the opponent they have.
“does anyone know the real facts?”
We know two facts:
(1)Obama submitted a fake certificate of live birth.
(2)There IS a cover-up.
Therefore, only a second class citizen would not demand that Obama submit a legitimate birth certificate or an original copy.
I have a flash for those that want to roll-over on this.
These people — that includes Obama — are supposed to be servants of the people not the other way around!
They work for us!
So Obama has a lot of nerve posting a fake certificate of live birth — one that is still on his web page, I may add.
STE=Q
Even if this was true, CBS and Rather's team would still be 100% at fault for lack of due diligence. However, liberals hate to face facts and prefer to think they were 'tricked' somehow.
So it is possible that some liberal had the brilliant idea of planting this issue so Republicans could dig it up and get Obama a sympathy vote. However, they never counted how in the tank for Obama the MSM really is that they can't get anyone to bite.
I find Obama’s involvement with these tax funded Black Muslim Madrasahs to be much more worthy of our concern than his questionable birth certificate.
“Michelle’s Boot Camps For Radicals”
Investor’s Business Daily
Date: 9/5/2008
Election ‘08: Democrats’ reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver
was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part
of her resume: Public Allies.
Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992,
resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter
of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he
features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service
corps. He calls his Orwellian program, “Universal Voluntary Public Service.”
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into
government-funded reeducation camps where they’ll be brainwashed into
thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of “social change.”
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn’t seem all that radical.
It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year “community
leadership” positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They’ll also be
required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they’ll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health
and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that
can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring
about “social change” through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation -
the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul “The Red”
Alinsky.
“Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . engage in
protest activities,” Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax
filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like
Obama to agitate for “justice” and “equality” in his hometown of Chicago and
other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. “I get to practice being an activist,”
and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
Public Allies promotes “diversity and inclusion,” a program paper says. More
than 70% of its recruits are “people of color.” When they’re not protesting,
they’re staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of
jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and
other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working
in nonprofit or government jobs. It’s training the “next generation of
nonprofit leaders” - future “social entrepreneurs.”
The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. “Don’t go into corporate
America,” Michelle has exhorted youth. “Work for the community. Be social
workers.” Shun the “money culture,” Barack added. “Individual salvation
depends on collective salvation.”
“If you commit to serving your community,” he pledged in his Denver
acceptance speech, “we will make sure you can afford a college education.”
So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into
government.
Many of today’s youth find the pitch attractive. “I may spend the rest of my
life trying to create social movement,” said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati
chapter. “There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect
country, I’ll have a job.”
Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. “It was too
touchy-feely,” said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. “It’s
a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about
homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias.”
One of those -isms is “heterosexism,” which a Public Allies training seminar
in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of “capitalism, white
supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege.”
The government now funds about half of Public Allies’ expenses through
Clinton’s AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a
national program that some see costing $500 billion. “We’ve got to have a
civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong,
just as well-funded” as the military, he said.
The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate
the military - and stick American taxpayers with the bill.
Why did he feel compelled to write TWO bios on himself, when he has NEVER accomplished a dang thing in his entire life? Because he was planning on running for President... and the truth is that the "truth" in many directions would destroy his marxist trained dream.
LLS
As he named a hospital that DIDN'T EXIST when he was born, I remain a little skeptical.
The facts of each case are different, and the law in effect on a given date may have changed.
Show me!
I know why you made the post.
That is why Berg filed the lawsuit.
You say you are a natural born citizen?
Prove it!
Obamas CLB forgery is big news.
Big enough for one of Hillery's PA lawyer friends,Philip Berg, to file a law suit in federal court and serve the DNC, Obama, and the Federal Elections Commission.
See it here:
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Obama and DNC served today concerning lawsuit questioning his qualifications to be President
Private Email | September 4, 2008 | Philip J. Berg
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 10:40:35 AM by BILL_C
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2075005/posts?page=57
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The CoLB that his campaign released is a forgery.
Someone risked jail time to forge this document.
It takes all of half an hour on the 'net, and about $25-$40 to have a legitimate certified copy of your own BC delivered within a week. (I know this because I just did that very thing last month)
Therefore, I conclude that there must be some compelling reason to falsify his BC.
The compelling reason that comes to mind is that the real document would kick him out of the running for being the most powerful man on earth.
From this I conclude that his true documentation shows one or more of the following truths:
• He was not born in the United States, and is therefore constitutionally unqualified for the job. This is a show stopper. There is no way to "fix" this or inoculate himself against this, or win over voters on this issue. It is the premier campaign killer issue.
Therefore, I regard this as the most probable explanation for the deceit.
All the other possible reasons are much lower grade:
• His BC shows that he's a bastard. Although this might be personally embarrassing, nobody cares, a goodly fraction of the electorate is in the same boat, or closely related to someone who is.
• His birth name isn't Barak Hussein Obama. So what? We already know his his name changed when he was adopted in Indonesia. People can and do change their names, it isn't a crime, or even particularly shady.
The only question it really raises is why did he chose a muslim name? That's rather easy to explain away - he took his genetic father's name. Who can argue with that? Especially when muslim names had some popularity among blacks who didn't know just how deeply involved muslims were in the slave trade.
• His real birth certificate lists his race as something other than "African". This would be more of a problem. His whole campaign is founded on his being "the first black president" come January. Still not lethal to the campaign, but it would be awkward to 'splain away.
• There is something else embarrassing on his official BC.
Like what?
There could be nothing conceivably embarrassing about:
His time of birth
His birthday
His city of birth
His county of birth
His island of birth
His religion (It's not even listed)
His mother's race
The date it was filed
A few things could be a slightly embarrassing:
The serial number? Maybe? Suppose it's really 151-1961-000666?
His father's name wasn't listed. Not terribly unlikely if he and Stanley Ann split up before he was born. No one cares.
His mother's maiden name. Suppose she really did use her Anna Toot drinkin' ID to get married? Would that really suffice as a reason for someone to risk jail time by falsifying his documents? More to the point, would it disqualify Barak? I don't think so. If anything it could be played for the sympathy vote, young naïve Stanley Ann trying to do her best in covering up the mistakes of her youth. Mother's maiden name listed as Anna Toot? Yawn.
That leaves the big enchilada:
His birth name. Was it really the noble and exotic Barak Hussein Obama II?
Or was it Mortimer Snerdly Toot, hmmmm?
Live that one down!
“Obama has worse scandals for the media to look away from..”
Scandal?
You call brazenly posting a FAKE ‘certificate of live birth’ in order to supposedly ‘fight the smears’ that he is NOT natural born citizen — a ‘scandal?
Obama’s nothing but a cheap hustler found on a corner of every large city in the USA. and He’s NOT going to hustle me!
Thanks for the post!
STE=Q
Was your Aunt at the age of majority when she married the Czech?
“even I would sympathize with him”
Why? It is no big deal and, as long as he makes good of his life, not of our concern.
So why would you sympathize with him? Are there some issues in your background that you haven’t dealt with yet? Where would the sympathy be coming from? He might not need it, nor you.
Because no one cares about this but you.
Move along, nothing to see here.
The hospital is not named in the passage I was referring to.
I think there is a lot wrong with Obama and his version of his past. He probably has a good reason why he is hiding his birth certificate, but I doubt it has to do with his Constitutional eligibility to be President.
ML/NJ
Thanks. The wrong hospital is mentioned elsewhere.
Why do you think BO doesn’t want Palin’s daughter in the news
Cause he was born to an unwed mother.
I figured that out months ago no big deal.
“The compelling reason that comes to mind is that the real document would kick him out of the running for being the most powerful man on earth.”
That’s the subtext.
“Someone risked jail time to forge this document.”
There is still a nagging question.
Why such a poor forgery?
Why such haste?
Couldn’t they afford to have a better one made?
The only thing I can figure is that maybe a real pro would be reluctant to do it.
Also, there is plausible deniability.
I smell a fall guy if and when it all comes out.
STE=Q
Where might that be?
ML/NJ
Oh bother.
It’s mentioned on the long thread. If it’s really that important to you, there are less than 6000 posts for you to wade through.
ML/NJ
Yeah, as a pro, pro, pro death person he would be ashamed that his mother didn’t abort him.
“Cause he was born to an unwed mother.”
I agree, in itself, no big deal.
But at the hospital daddy was gone and maybe they had to know who he was for the certificate to be complete.
Maybe there is some point of law where she neglected to file proper papers, at the time of birth — and never followed through, or something.
Who knows?
You are right, no one — including me — would care if his mother was un-wed.
So I think it’s time Obama just show us an official copy of his birth certificate and immediately end the controversy.
Of course he will have to have a good excuse for his’ campaign publishing a forged certificate of live birth.
STE=Q
“Was your Aunt at the age of majority when she married the Czech?”
Yes, she was.
I know there are lots of different opinions on this, but my main concern is people going off half-cocked on a scandal where there isn’t any. Blow-back isn’t good for either side, & if we McCain/Palin supporters keep coming up with whacky ideas to trash Obama, we’re going to look as idiotic as the lefties saying that Trig was actually Palin’s daughter’s baby. First find out what the law says, if you think there’s an issue. If you have to be born on US soil to be US president, prove that first. Then worry about whether Obama meets the criteria. Chances are no one with authority will do anything about it anyway. Just like Kerry should have been charged with Treason when he visited with the NV after returning from Viet Nam. Instead it was ignored. Unfortunately, our government is big on ignoring laws these days.
Worse scandals than not being Eligible??? lmao
Yeah, who cares if he’s NOT AMERICAN when we know a friend of his did something bad 30 years ago.
Damn, now I’ve heard it all!!
“Pay not attention to that man behind the curtain”.
Unfortunately, there are far too many with “ostrich syndrome” who would rather bash McCain over immigration.
It seems the politics of character assassination is preferable to disqualifying him forever.
STE=Q-The long anecdote doesn’t help but this is a matter concerning the future of our nation.
Many claim to care about American Tradition and Values. Holding people accountable has become an after thought in this party, especially the opposition
IF McCain/Palin lose it will be due to the (R)’s inability to enforce the laws of this country in regards to elections.
“If you cannot back up some supposed statement of fact you ought not to make it.”
Do you know what the word ‘supposed’ means?
Its a synonym for ‘alleged.’
Please look them up it may clear your misunderstanding about me having to back something up.
For update on Obama’s {ALLEGED} fake ‘certificate of live birth’ hit the link below:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
If you have any questions you can contact the forensic expert that made the finding.
In the meantime I would like to see an original copy of Obama’s birth certificate.
Thanks for your post.
STE=Q
Worry not Chicken Little. The sky won’t fall on McCain/Palin since the lawsuit Obama was served is brought forth by a Dem.
A Hillary supporting Dem. who is bitter and carrying the water.
Let’s wait and see.
My interpretation of the term "naturally born" is that he was either born in our country or one of his parents is an American citizen. We know his mother is an American, therefore, it does not matter where in the world he was born. Someone please tell me where I am wrong.
Nor would I ever consider being one because I live in the People's Republic of Maryland. I am a contrarian by nature.
“Holding people accountable has become an after thought in this party, especially the opposition”
What gets me is the attitude people have about our leaders.
THEY ARE OUR SERVANTS; NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
In fact, McCain called himself a ‘servant’ in his speech the other day!
Thanks for your post!
STE=Q
“Worry not Chicken Little. The sky won’t fall on McCain/Palin since the lawsuit Obama was served is brought forth by a Dem.”
That doesn’t mean the left won’t point to the ‘mean-spirited’ posts on FR & trash us, regardless of who brought the suit. If it’s a Dem bringing the suit, let’s let them run with it & take up the issue when we have proof.
‘Chicken Little’? No, merely prudent. :-)
“I was born our of wedlock, but I am not a Dem.”
then you get no extra points from dems. That’s all I was suggesting.
You are probably right. On the other hand, I never really wanted points from the Dems.
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