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The Rudy Giuliani Truth File (in his own words---quotes, speeches, transcripts, clips, reports)
FREE REPUBLIC ^ | 04/25/2007 | Thread created by Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/07/2008 4:26:11 AM PDT by Liz

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HUMAN EVENTS EDITORIAL, Aug 11, 2006

EXCERPT Rudy Giuliani was never a conservative of any kind. As Kate O’Beirne pointed out in a recent National Review analysis, Giuliani was endorsed for mayor in 1989 by the Liberal Party, which said of him: “He agreed with the Liberal Party’s views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer, and tuition tax credits.”

In 1992, O’Beirne reports, Giuliani said Nelson Rockefeller represented “a tradition in the Republican Party I’ve worked to rekindle—the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition.”

The Republican Party is in trouble today not because it has drifted away from Rockefeller Republicanism, but because it is drifting back toward it.

The conservative vision is comprehensive. It believes in limited government, traditional values, and a foreign policy that looks at our national interests with cold, clear eyes and works aggressively to defend them. Since the Republican Party unambiguously embraced this vision with the election of Ronald Reagan as President in 1980 it has lost only one presidential election, and has become the majority party in Congress.

The one presidential election that was lost—by the senior President Bush—came after Bush had turned his back on core conservative values. In recent years, many Republicans have begun again to betray these values. That is why the GOP congressional majority is vulnerable in this November’s election.

The job of conservatives between now and then, and through the next election cycle, will be to take our party back----not to hand it over to Rudy Giuliani (or to Joe Lieberman).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681875/posts

1 posted on 09/07/2008 4:26:11 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

What exactly is the point of posting this now?


2 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:12 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Liz
Let's attack the recent GOP keynote speaker who very effectively assailed Zero. Yeah... that's real genuis /sarcasm
3 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:46 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: UKrepublican

I think to show a lack of grey matter.


4 posted on 09/07/2008 4:29:18 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Liz
Man, the Free Republic servers are even slower than I thought.

WT?

5 posted on 09/07/2008 4:31:17 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: AmericaUnited

On your part maybe.

Stirring up crap for no good reason.

You won, he lost. People like me that did initially support him have accepted defeat and have been humble in doing so.

The guy gave one of the best speeches at the convention, he helped rally the troops and you want to stick in a knife. Absurd.


6 posted on 09/07/2008 4:31:25 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

On my part? You obviously misread my post. I think this is idiotic in the extreme to post this now.


7 posted on 09/07/2008 4:33:16 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Liz

When Guiliani laughed at Paul for saying government should respect limits on governmental power - that was the moment I wanted Rudy defeated so soundly he would never run again.

Now, to the extent Rudy is helpful in preventing Obama from winning, that’s great.


8 posted on 09/07/2008 4:34:13 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: AmericaUnited

Sorry, I meant the original author.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 4:34:19 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Liz

Nice Liz, lets stir up some old issues that only divide us right now. Hes not the nominee, hes doing what he has to to help beat 0bama, so let it go.


10 posted on 09/07/2008 4:35:29 AM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Liz
The job of conservatives between now and then, and through the next election cycle, will be to take our party back----not to hand it over to Rudy Giuliani (or to Joe Lieberman).

We handed it over to a liberal coddling, rinoistic, back stabbing, "maverick" whose past actions shun converatives and conservative values! Now, with Palin on board we have at least a chance to effect change in the Presidential canidate.

There is no doubt conservatives have to wrest control from the GOP/RNC moderates. Half a conservatvie is no conservative! McCain hit a grand slam with Palin, but it's only going to work for him if he governs like her!

11 posted on 09/07/2008 4:37:20 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: UKrepublican; Liz; All
What exactly is the point of posting this now?

Liz, I have to agree, reposting this thread does nothing to help us defeat Obama-Biden, if anything it gives the 'Rats campaign fodder for use in the general election.

I think you should tell the mods to take the thread down.
12 posted on 09/07/2008 4:38:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Ronald Reagan were with us today, he'd say "Vote McCain/Palin, & Win One More for the Gipper!!!")
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To: All

Let’s here from Liz... before y’all go off the deep end with criticism. One point she might be making is that we don’t want Rudy for Attorney General no matter how well he spoke at the convention.


13 posted on 09/07/2008 4:39:23 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Liz

Well, are you going to come back and defend your reason for posting this or hide?


14 posted on 09/07/2008 4:39:26 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Liz

Forgot courtesy ping.. sorry about that.


15 posted on 09/07/2008 4:40:17 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Liz

“This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Rudy Giuliani in his own words and deeds.”

I’m confused. I didn’t know he’s running for office against Obama. Please explain.

Now if your thread read like this, it might be worth our energy:

“This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Barack Hussein Obama in his own words and deeds.”


16 posted on 09/07/2008 4:40:58 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: gondramB

She had every opportunity to do that in post #1. She chose not to. And it’s been over 10 min. since she posted.


17 posted on 09/07/2008 4:41:11 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Liz

Dig this up so he won’t hold a cabinet position when McCain/Palin win? He sure helped the other night at the convention - he is far from perfect but aren’t we all?


18 posted on 09/07/2008 4:44:08 AM PDT by ReformedTreeHugger
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To: Liz

WTF?????


19 posted on 09/07/2008 4:44:45 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!))
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To: Liz

I think I’m missing something.

Why?


20 posted on 09/07/2008 4:45:10 AM PDT by DB
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One point she might be making is that we don’t want Rudy for Attorney General no matter how well he spoke at the convention.

Getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, aren't we people? Never assume anything until it actually happens. McCain should be running like he's 10 points behind until election day, and so should we.

Forget about Rudy or anyone else and WIN this thing first!

21 posted on 09/07/2008 4:46:32 AM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations: Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion)
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To: gondramB

The date of the original thread is 4/25/07.

Hmmm...

Don’t know what to think.

Someone hack Liz’s account?


22 posted on 09/07/2008 4:46:51 AM PDT by DB
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To: ReformedTreeHugger
Dig this up so he won’t hold a cabinet position when McCain/Palin win?

The time for anything like that is between Nov 5th and Jan 15th, NOT NOW!

23 posted on 09/07/2008 4:48:45 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: gondramB; Liz
Let’s here from Liz... before y’all go off the deep end with criticism. One point she might be making is that we don’t want Rudy for Attorney General no matter how well he spoke at the convention.

Fine.

Can we have that argument after we win the flippin' election???

24 posted on 09/07/2008 4:52:56 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (He had me at Hanoi. McCain-Palin '08)
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To: Liz

I’m still hoping that Fred Thompson will get into the race. Think he’ll announce soon?


25 posted on 09/07/2008 4:54:09 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Liz; Admin Moderator

Google is your friend.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1823139/posts


26 posted on 09/07/2008 4:54:22 AM PDT by RichInOC (McCain/Palin '08: And Now For Something Completely Different.)
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To: AmericaUnited

couldn’t agree more.


27 posted on 09/07/2008 5:01:41 AM PDT by ReformedTreeHugger
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To: Liz

I don’t like Rudy either but he’s history.


28 posted on 09/07/2008 5:02:30 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If the election were today, Obama would win.........in Europe.)
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To: Liz

Why dont we wait until McCain wins before we worry about who is going to be AG?


29 posted on 09/07/2008 5:08:47 AM PDT by John Robie
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To: Liz

Liz Hanover strikes again. Need a little attention?


30 posted on 09/07/2008 5:10:08 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RedRover

Looks like Clinton has the democratic nomination.


31 posted on 09/07/2008 5:10:11 AM PDT by John Robie
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To: Liz
Liz you were obsessing about Giuliani something fierce when he was running. The linchpin of your argument then seemed to be the same as it is now, basically that JimRob didn't like his politics therefore we should fall into lockstep because of that.

McCain/Palin is the ticket.

You need to get a life.

32 posted on 09/07/2008 5:11:36 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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I get the sense that there are some on this forum who feel another purge is needed. I would however, welcome gratefully any views that would prove me wrong.
33 posted on 09/07/2008 5:12:51 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it will all make sense............maybe.)
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To: UKrepublican

Guess we don;t want him as U.S. A.G. or on the Supreme Court.


34 posted on 09/07/2008 5:14:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

>>Guess we don;t want him as U.S. A.G. or on the Supreme Court.<<

I sure as hell don’t.

Obviously the main focus is on winning the election but it might be worth a small signal to McCain not to promise too much to Guiliani.


35 posted on 09/07/2008 5:19:36 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Yup. I like Romney. But I don;t like that Lindsey Graham character, nor Bill Frist nor Brownback either.

All Libs.


36 posted on 09/07/2008 5:24:09 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: UKrepublican
What exactly is the point of posting this now?

That's what I would like to know. At a time when we seek party unity this is devisive.

37 posted on 09/07/2008 5:26:39 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Liz
So freakin' what, Liz...

We did not nominate that RINO.

All the good things about Gov. Palin notwithstanding, there is a RINO on top of the ticket who is Giuliani's equal in his lack of respect for the Constitution.

38 posted on 09/07/2008 5:27:46 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: Roccus
I didn't think much of the first “purge” and sure as hell don't support another one. FR has always been overloaded with too many conspiracy theorist (Y2K, flight 800, Vince Foster being murdered). Yet they were not purged from FR even though they made us look like Kooksville.

Wholesale purges are a bad idea. When JimRob or the mods ban somebody it should be on a one on one basis.

39 posted on 09/07/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: Liz

Let’s deal with AG after McCain is President. 2006 showed the GOP what putting aside their base could do. They will remember. But this isn’t a uniting post. Liberals and Obama are still public enemy #1. If we eat our young and argue over cabinet posts before winning the election, the divisions may lead to the DEMS in office.


40 posted on 09/07/2008 5:38:27 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: Roccus
I get the sense that there are some on this forum who feel another purge is needed.

Wonder what infraction of ideological purity will be worthy of a ban next time?

We haven't recovered from the last purge, as far as I'm concerned. There will always be those whose brains go haywire when confronted with an opposing view, but you'd think that's the point of a discussion forum.

41 posted on 09/07/2008 5:47:01 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Liz

Stupid post.


42 posted on 09/07/2008 5:49:09 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Roccus; Liz
I get the sense that there are some on this forum who feel another purge is needed.

Liz is shinning a light in a darkened room looking for RinoRudy supporters scurrying about in his defense. Purge targets are being acquired.

43 posted on 09/07/2008 5:52:21 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: ASA Vet
Purge targets are being acquired.

Well, I guess that explains the red dot on my chest. ;)

44 posted on 09/07/2008 5:57:34 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it will all make sense............maybe.)
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To: Roccus
Don't ya just hate it when you have red dots?


45 posted on 09/07/2008 6:24:39 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: UKrepublican

For whatever reason, Liz has taken up trolling for a hobby.

This can serve no positive purpose that I can see, and I hope the mods spot it and lock / delete the thread.


46 posted on 09/07/2008 6:48:34 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: Liz

This would be a good discussion if we win and appointments are pending...

If Obama wins we could be seeing Attorney General Ramsey Clark again or someone like Marjorie Cohn (President of the commie front National Lawyers Guild).


47 posted on 09/07/2008 6:57:57 AM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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Purge targets are being acquired.

Have you considered having a real life?

48 posted on 09/07/2008 7:05:23 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

49 posted on 09/07/2008 7:39:11 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: ASA Vet
Gosh, what a clever and well-reasoned retort!

Free Republic still hasn't recovered from the last purge. We don't need another.

50 posted on 09/07/2008 7:49:07 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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