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The authorities have lied, and I am not glad (AIDS insiders expose the AIDS scam)
Spiked Online ^ | August 29, 2008 | Dr Michael Fitzpatrick

Posted on 09/07/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: Citizen Blade
==That there is a high correlation between drug use and HIV/AIDs infection.

Agreed.

==You are making the classic mistake of confusing correlation with causation.

That is of course possible. But remember, confusing correlation with causation is a two-way street. Let's superimpose drug use and HIV infection over the AIDS statistics and see which one provides a better explanation for what causes of AIDS. Notice that the rate of HIV infection is flatlined, whereas the drug epidemic in the US and Europe has a near perfect correlation with the rise of AIDS cases :

==The drug use doesn't directly cause HIV/AIDS- it's the risky activities that high people engage in that leads to infection.

I don't see how you can say that when it is a demonstrable fact that the drugs that IV drug addicts and fast-lane homosexuals use cause AIDS defining diseases without the presence of HIV.

51 posted on 09/09/2008 10:20:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Notice that the rate of HIV infection is flatlined, whereas the drug epidemic in the US and Europe has a near perfect correlation with the rise of AIDS cases :

AIDS cases trail infection rates. Though someone may be infected in one year, they may not develop AIDS for several years thereafter. That explains how though HIV infection rates may go down, AIDS cases can continue to rise. But, in any event, your top chart shows that as HIV cases go down, AIDS cases have gone down, too, if I'm reading it correctly. And I'd like to see that chart extended through a more recent year than 2000.

I'm also not sure what to make of the fact that the first and third charts measure AIDS, HIV and drug deaths using different scales of magnitude.

I don't see how you can say that when it is a demonstrable fact that the drugs that IV drug addicts and fast-lane homosexuals use cause AIDS defining diseases without the presence of HIV.

I would not be surprised that drug afficts catch some of the same diseases as people infected with HIV. Continuous drug abuse, along with the lifestyle of many addicts (poor nutrition, lack of sleep, lack of hygiene, homelessness, prostitution, exposure to physical violence) all have negative impacts on a person's immune system. Of course such people, even without being HIV-positive, are going to fall prey to many of the same diseases as people with AIDS- those diseases opportunistically go after people with weakened immune systems, whether due to AIDS, lifestyle or a combination of both. At the end of the day, AIDS does nothing more than weaken a person's immune system to the point where the body cannot defend itself from diseases. It's not surprising that people with weakened immune systems due to other causes will find themselves in a similar situation.

52 posted on 09/09/2008 10:36:47 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade

==AIDS cases trail infection rates.

The AIDS cases are not trailing HIV infection. The rate of HIV infection has remained flatlined THE WHOLE TIME.


53 posted on 09/09/2008 11:01:31 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Citizen Blade

==Of course such people, even without being HIV-positive, are going to fall prey to many of the same diseases as people with AIDS...(so) It’s not surprising that people with weakened immune systems due to other causes will find themselves in a similar situation.

So how do we tell which is which??? In other words, let’s suppose a HIV-positive drug addict comes in with a weakened immune system and suffering from an AIDS defining disease. How could we possibly indentify the underlying cause of his disease? It could be HIV, it could be drugs, it could be malnutrition. How would we tell the difference?


54 posted on 09/09/2008 12:17:44 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
So how do we tell which is which??? In other words, let’s suppose a HIV-positive drug addict comes in with a weakened immune system and suffering from an AIDS defining disease. How could we possibly indentify the underlying cause of his disease? It could be HIV, it could be drugs, it could be malnutrition. How would we tell the difference?

In the case of the HIV-infected homeless drug addict, any doctor can tell you that all of the various things involved have served to compromise his immune system. The HIV/AIDS have just made an already bad situation even worse.

As a counterexample, look at someone like Magic Johnson who is HIV+, but lives a lifestyle of diet, medication and exercise that allows him to keep the disease in check more or less indefinitely. He's the flipside of the drug-addicted homeless person who is HIV+

To figure out the effect of HIV infection, you compare one group of drug addicts who are not HIV positive with a similar group of drug addicts who are, then look at the relative rate of diseases arising from compromised immune systems. You'll find instances of such diseases in both groups, but the rate for the HIV infected drug addicts will be, over the long-term, significantly higher.

You are quite correct that living a life of drug abuse and promiscuous homosexual orgies (with all of the attendant STDs and other health issues) is bad for one's immune system. But that lifestyle, even if it leads to getting certain AIDS-like diseases, is not the cause of AIDS. It can simply lead to health situations that are similar to AIDS, however.

55 posted on 09/09/2008 12:41:07 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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==As a counterexample, look at someone like Magic Johnson who is HIV+, but lives a lifestyle of diet, medication

Last I heard, Magic Johnson discontinued his AIDS chemotherapy drugs over a decade ago.

==You are quite correct that living a life of drug abuse and promiscuous homosexual orgies (with all of the attendant STDs and other health issues) is bad for one’s immune system. But that lifestyle, even if it leads to getting certain AIDS-like diseases, is not the cause of AIDS. It can simply lead to health situations that are similar to AIDS

Again, at this stage of the game, scientists can’t tell the difference. Moreover, the AIDS establishment has put the kibash on all attempts by scientists to resolve the issue. And if they can’t tell the difference, then they can’t be sure what’s really causing AIDS.


56 posted on 09/09/2008 4:04:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Last I heard, Magic Johnson discontinued his AIDS chemotherapy drugs over a decade ago.

That would explain why Magic Johnson sponsors almost a dozen AIDS clinics.

The Los Angeles-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation on Monday will open in Jacksonville, Fla., an Earvin "Magic" Johnson Jr. Clinic for HIV/AIDS, which will offer HIV testing, medical care and social services, the Florida Times-Union reports. Although this will be the first Magic Johnson clinic in Florida, AHF operates 10 such clinics in California and a jointly operated medical office and pharmacy in New York. AHF President Michael Weinstein said that the Jacksonville site was chosen "because of need in the area," as the Florida Health Department says that one in 156 Floridians are HIV-positive. "Jacksonville is representative of a lot of medium-type cities where there is limited access to care," Weinstein said, adding that AHF expects 200 patients to use the clinic in its first year. The clinic, open to all patients regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay, will offer initial HIV testing; disease monitoring, including radiology and laboratory tests; and treatment for HIV/AIDS, with the option of participating in clinical research trials. In addition, the clinic will provide social services such as "public benefits counseling, mental health counseling and 24-hour access to medical advice." The goal of the clinic, which uses Magic Johnson's name because he is a "symbol of hope and success in AIDS treatment," is to see patients within 48 hours of first contact, as the average wait time is currently one to three months. "That's like telling someone who has just been diagnosed with cancer to wait," Robert Catalla, the clinic's medical director, said, adding, "That's unacceptable" (Skidmore, Florida Times-Union, 7/24). For more information on HIV/AIDS in Florida, visit State Health Facts Online.

Link

Has anyone mentioned that in addition to practicing medicine without a license, you are also a shameless, criminally insane liar?

57 posted on 09/10/2008 7:14:15 AM PDT by js1138
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Last I heard, Magic Johnson discontinued his AIDS chemotherapy drugs over a decade ago.

You've never provided any evidence of this. The only article I remember you pointing to as evidence only dealt with an incident where Magic stopped taking his medications during a cruise he went on with his wife, in order to avoid nausea. But your claim that he stopped taking his AIDS drugs a decade ago is pure wishful thinking on your part. Other than the handful of people who seem to have a natural immunity to HIV/AIDS, an HIV+ person who stops taking their medication can expect to be dead in a very short time.

Again, at this stage of the game, scientists can’t tell the difference. Moreover, the AIDS establishment has put the kibash on all attempts by scientists to resolve the issue. And if they can’t tell the difference, then they can’t be sure what’s really causing AIDS.

Telling the difference is quite easy, statistically. Look at a population of people who are HIV+ and compare them to a similar population (in terms of age, lifestyle, other illnesses etc.) of people without the disease. The HIV+ group is going to die a lot sooner than the control group. There are homosexuals who survived the promiscuous bath-house lifestyle of the 80's because they dodged a bullet and didn't get infected with HIV. But virtually every homosexual who lived that lifestyle and got infected is dead now.

Again, you're assuming no one else has ever thought about this, but the evidence is overwhelming that if you take two people who are otherwise similar demographically, and one of them becomes infected with HIV, that person is looking at an earlier death.

58 posted on 09/10/2008 7:36:10 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: js1138

Good catch. If Magic was off his AIDS meds and believed they were dangerous, then sponsoring clinics that give out free AIDS drugs would make him a monstrous hypocrite. i really don’t think that’s the case.


59 posted on 09/10/2008 7:42:08 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade

The simplest way to refute this crap is to point out that back in 1996 , when GGG stopped paying attention to reality, the gay community tried to deny the link between AIDS and HIV, and tried to deny the usefulness of drugs.

What happened is that the denier community died of AIDS, and drug cocktails with fewer side effects were developed. It’s still nasty stuff, but there’s a FReeper MD who has treated 1200 patients without losing one since the late 90s. Prior to the drugs, all his AIDS patients died. It’s really pretty simple.


60 posted on 09/10/2008 7:54:22 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Citizen Blade

==The only article I remember you pointing to as evidence only dealt with an incident where Magic stopped taking his medications during a cruise he went on with his wife, in order to avoid nausea.

I remember that story and several others that came out at the time. Magic issued several stories to the press before finally admitting the real reason he stopped taking AZT—because of the side effects. If I remember correctly, it was his wife who inadvertantly let the cat out of the bag. At first Magic tried to dodge the media firestorm that followed, but finally admitted that he had discontinued AZT. And as the following Time Magazine article points out, he was still off AZT as of 2001:

“Citing doctor-patient confidentiality, Mellman will not discuss Johnson’s treatment or current condition. But in an interview with TIME last week, Johnson acknowledged that he has in the past taken AZT, the antiviral drug typically administered when a person’s helper T-cell count drops to 500. (See following story.) Johnson said that he is no longer taking AZT and that his T-cell count is above 500, ‘but I don’t tell exactly what it is because then I’ll have everybody talking about it.’”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135465,00.html

==Telling the difference is quite easy, statistically.

Forget about statistics for a moment. I’m referring to individual patients. Even from your perspective, just because a person is HIV+ and has a weakened immune system doesn’t mean that the weakened immune system is being caused by HIV. For all we know, they just got infected yesterday, and the weakened immune system has nothing to do with HIV. What if their weakened immune system is caused by long-term, end-point drug abuse, or malnutrition, etc? In such cases, the worst thing in the world you could do is put the patient on AIDS chemotherapy.

Finally, the more we find out about the fast-lane homosexual lifestyle, the more Duesberg’s drug-AIDS hypothesis makes sense IMHO:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2079443/posts


61 posted on 09/10/2008 7:29:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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So Magic Johnson may secretly believe that AIDS treatments are worthless and harmful, but he endorses and financially supports nearly a dozen clinics where other people’s kids are treated by mainstream medicine.

Sure. I believe that.

I also believe the entire gay community is too stupid to read the medical literature, and the fact that gays changed their opinion of drug therapy in the late 1990s just means they are all brainwashed.

What a bunch of morons, huh?


62 posted on 09/11/2008 10:17:23 AM PDT by js1138
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