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Independents flock to McCain after convention, Support up 12 points
The Washington Times ^ | Tuesday, September 9, 2008 | S.A. Miller

Posted on 09/08/2008 8:21:05 PM PDT by NewMediaFan

Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain has gotten a jolt of support right where he wanted it - from the independent voters whom he courted so aggressively at last week's convention - and now holds a healthy lead over his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, in the chase for that key constituency.

A Gallup Poll to be released Tuesday shows that Mr. McCain's backing among independent voters jumped 12 percentage points in recent days, providing welcome news for a Republican candidate who has been torn between nurturing his maverick appeal to independents and trying to appease the party's conservative base...

...Compounding Mr. Obama's challenges, about 29 percent of former rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers - more than 5 million voters - say they will cast their ballots for Mr. McCain, according to pollster John Zogby.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008convention; 2008polls; bounce; electionpresident; hillaryvote; independentvote; mccainpalin; poll
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whoa, Hillary backers supporting McCain ?!
1 posted on 09/08/2008 8:21:07 PM PDT by NewMediaFan
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To: NewMediaFan

yuk, yuk yuk!


2 posted on 09/08/2008 8:22:04 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: NewMediaFan
I find it hard to believe 30% of the Hillary! voters will stay with us all the way to November. The good news is we may not need them all.

The McCain camp's "Magic Numbers" are roughly:

92% GOP
18% RAT
45% Indie

If we can capture more than 45% of the Indies, or can motivate more of the GOP base to come out than what we initially predicted, we won't need as many RAT voters. Sarah Palin has helped tremendously on all fronts.

3 posted on 09/08/2008 8:25:43 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: NewMediaFan

Gee, that’s what the famous ytube democratic Hillary supporter told Cavuto....about 5 million of them would vote mccain........


4 posted on 09/08/2008 8:27:45 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: NewMediaFan

If any of these stats are true it is absolutely game over for Obama

29 percent Hillary supporters!?

If it is just 10 percent, BO loses.

The independent swithc will have a compound effect on polling.

Independents will now start identiying as Republicans. That will boost party identification for Republicans and change mixing formulas for polls toward the Republicans.


5 posted on 09/08/2008 8:28:28 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: NewMediaFan; ken21
Gallup Poll to be released Tuesday shows that Mr. McCain's backing among independent voters jumped 12 percentage points in recent days, providing welcome news for a Republican candidate who has been torn between nurturing his maverick appeal to independents and trying to appease the party's conservative base...

...Compounding Mr. Obama's challenges, about 29 percent of former rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers - more than 5 million voters - say they will cast their ballots for Mr. McCain,...


6 posted on 09/08/2008 8:29:44 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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I wish we can get those Bob Barr and Ron Paul nuts on our side....


7 posted on 09/08/2008 8:30:05 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: NewMediaFan

Anyone who needs proof that Sarah Palin has got the libs scared sh!tless need only do this little exercise:

Go to the DUmp:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/

Then use your broswer’s “Find” command to search for the word “Palin”. If you use Firefox, click the “Highlight All” button and sit back and admire the number of yellow boxes on the screen - over 30 of ‘em.

While it may not apply to the DUmp, remember the old adage “there’s no such thing as bad publicity, as long as they spell your name right”.

Independents and Hillary supporters are smelling the roses!


8 posted on 09/08/2008 8:30:27 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: NewMediaFan

Independents, like uncommitted voters, tend to bounce around like rubber balls. Nothing to be read into it until the Nov. elections. ;-)


9 posted on 09/08/2008 8:30:30 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin '12)
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To: NewMediaFan

who does not believe that Hillary and Bill are absolutely enjoying watch the Obama camaign implode?

They clearly want this to happen.

Hillary is absolutely refusing to pull the trigger on Palin and strongly implies that women can vote for Palin.


10 posted on 09/08/2008 8:31:47 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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Rendell needs to deleiver PA to McCain.


11 posted on 09/08/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: SandRat

fantastic!


12 posted on 09/08/2008 8:34:46 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: NewMediaFan
about 29 percent of former rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers - more than 5 million voters - say they will cast their ballots for Mr. McCain

Wait, wait - according to Axelrod and Carville, these people don't exist. There are no HIllary voters who won't vote for Obambi. [sarcasm]

Actually, I've browsed some PUMA blogs - there are THOUSANDS of them who will vote for McCain rather than the Obambi.

13 posted on 09/08/2008 8:34:52 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: All

It is not game over.

You have to understand what a winning campaign means. It means you are set for life. If you are a senior campaign staffer and you win, you’re going to assistant secretary of commerce for whatever specialty for two or three years and from there you will be hired as either a lobbyist at $450,000/yr or a VP for some relevant company at $450,000/yr plus stock options.

That’s what victory means to a campaign staff. They will be set FOR LIFE.

And so . . . they aren’t going to let it happen. Dumping Biden and getting Hillary will happen or not happen depending on one thing and one thing only . . . do the internal polls show it helps.

Principle means nothing. It’s a lifetime of luxury if you win vs . . . looking for work in a cubicle. McCain must NOT build a big lead. A small lead lets them imagine they should not take the Hillary risk.


14 posted on 09/08/2008 8:36:36 PM PDT by Owen
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To: NewMediaFan

PINGALINGADINGDONG!

15 posted on 09/08/2008 8:37:55 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (OK, I'm all-in. Still don't like McCain much, but they've got me. McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: NewMediaFan
Sarah has the Independent vote locked up!!!! Obammie isn't going to get these guys.

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16 posted on 09/08/2008 8:40:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: hsalaw

Yeah. The Rats are such in a state of denial about this. They’re such idiots. They think there’s no way that Hillary voters will go elsewhere.

As you said, all we need is a decent percentage of them, and that will be huge for McCain.


17 posted on 09/08/2008 8:40:57 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: KavMan

at the very least, that he not try to go all out for Obama


18 posted on 09/08/2008 8:42:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: Owen

You sound like you know what you are talking about but seriously, if Obama dumps Biden when he’s already clearly behind couldn’t he lose both houses for the D’s?


19 posted on 09/08/2008 8:47:39 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: comebacknewt
I find it hard to believe 30% of the Hillary! voters will stay with us all the way to November. The good news is we may not need them all.

The campaign must proceed as if Hussein is up by 15 points. We need every toss-up state and we need to work to turn blue leaning states into red states.

20 posted on 09/08/2008 8:48:48 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Barak Obama wants Dhimmitude for America)
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To: NewMediaFan

You heard of the phrase “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?” Well, there are a hell of alot of scorned women on the Democractic side these days who want to see Obama take his “messiah” schtick on a very long walk off a very short pier. They are angry and McCain putting Palin on the ticket sealed the deal for many of them. Of course the cuties Trig and Piper didn’t hurt either :-).


21 posted on 09/08/2008 8:51:31 PM PDT by medscribe
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To: NewMediaFan
From what I've read on a Hillary forum, they'll never forgive 0bama or the DNC for taking the nomination away from their girl -- and not even vetting her for VP. Many are authentically enthusiastic about Palin as well. But the bottom line for them, I believe, is to see Hillary run again for 2012.
22 posted on 09/08/2008 8:51:58 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: hsalaw

Yes, there’s many Hillary supporters that are playing identity politics that will work for the GOP for a change.

They think all American women were dismissed by Barack Hussein Obama and that their former political party is hopelessly sexist. Many of them don’t agree with Palin’s views on abortion, but they’re looking past that issue.

The messiah brought this on himself, IMO - he should’ve actually tried to unite the jackass party rather than sneering at the supporters of the winner of the popular Democrat primary vote.


23 posted on 09/08/2008 8:52:03 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: KavMan

They probably respond well to being called nuts.


24 posted on 09/08/2008 8:54:10 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Owen

Yes, but dumping Biden would be a major admission of a BIG mistake... something that Obama cannot bring himself to do!!


25 posted on 09/08/2008 8:55:51 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Barak Obama wants Dhimmitude for America)
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To: NewMediaFan

The final tickets are set (Biden is getting nervous though) and everything is trending Republican. What kind of landslide puts the house of reps. in play?


26 posted on 09/08/2008 8:59:16 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: comebacknewt
"I find it hard to believe 30% of the Hillary! voters will stay with us all the way to November"

I believe that to be a gross understatement of the facts. If you go to the Hillary Forum, you will get a better picture of how they feel. My best guess is 60% of Hillary's Gals are Sarah's now.

27 posted on 09/08/2008 9:02:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: NewMediaFan

Zogby says 29% and 5 million Hillary! voters??

I would take 4 million, which translates into a net 8 million and a monster blowout. On YouTube the pumas made a video called, “We Will Not Be Silenced” documenting the rampant fraud and intimidation by Team Obama in the primaries.


28 posted on 09/08/2008 9:02:35 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Baladas
Yes, there’s many Hillary supporters that are playing identity politics that will work for the GOP for a change.

It's that, and it's also that they're angry that their support of Hillary wasn't taken into account when the Obambi picked his VP.

29 posted on 09/08/2008 9:02:44 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: diamond6
If women voters stay with the Dems, come what may, then they will always be taken for granted. Ironically, their best path to power within the Democrat party (as a bloc) is to vote R this time.
30 posted on 09/08/2008 9:03:17 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: NewMediaFan

Some women that supported Hillary did so because they were motivated by a woman attaining the highest office in the country. Their politics may even be conservative leaning, but that was the primary appeal.

Others are pro-choice, but don’t consider it a determinate factor when deciding where to place their vote. They could be conservative on other issues.

Then you have people bitter over the primary battle that hate Obama and would rather help McCain win even if it contradicts their philosophical beliefs 100%.

Still others who maybe don’t hate Obama, and are liberal, but the idea of a women being Vice President is intriguing to them. They are the ones most unlikely to vote McCain, but may flirt with the idea and not be terribly depressed if Obama loses.

The last group are rock solid liberals that may have preferred Hillary, but gender would never dissaude them from voting for the Dem ticket.

Palin can capture some of 1 and 2. Option 3 is debatable. I know online PUMA’s consider their ranks strong, but in practice I’m not sure how high it is. Yes, Hillary got 18 million votes. But some of them were men. Some were Republicans just screwing with the system. And the rest divide into the above groups and I’m not certain anyone ever broke down by what percentage in these polling companies.


31 posted on 09/08/2008 9:06:01 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Owen
"Principle means nothing. It’s a lifetime of luxury if you win vs . . . looking for work in a cubicle. McCain must NOT build a big lead. A small lead lets them imagine they should not take the Hillary risk"

Convoluted neophyte GOBBLDYGOOK !!

32 posted on 09/08/2008 9:06:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: Owen

They can’t dump Biden. He was the one nominated and is on the ballot. That’s all there is to it.


33 posted on 09/08/2008 9:07:36 PM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: NewMediaFan

Live by identity politics, die by identity politics...


34 posted on 09/08/2008 9:09:06 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: hsalaw
"It's that, and it's also that they're angry that their support of Hillary wasn't taken into account when the Obambi picked his VP."

Are you saying that they were TAKEN FOR GRANTED ?

I'm Shocked!

35 posted on 09/08/2008 9:09:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: hsalaw

And the PUMA’s are very angry they didn’t get to vote for Hillary at their convention. Eavesdropped on thier thread the night our convention had the roll and they were livid. “Look, the Repubs actually get to cast their votes and no one tells them they can’t.” LOL


36 posted on 09/08/2008 9:10:14 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: CurlyBill

I think you are right!Obama would never allow Hillary on the ticket because of his arrogance. That is why this week he’s attacking Palin over and over. It is all about him being the center of attention and he is missing it. It could cause him many mistakes trying to capture it back! :D


37 posted on 09/08/2008 9:14:08 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: NewMediaFan

Yep; the Hillary supporters are still on board.

The latest polls look good, but, my one, great concern is that the Obama camp has a grassroots effort that is registering new voters 5 days a week. The poll that really counts is the one on November 4. I’ll be honest with you; I’m nervous.


38 posted on 09/08/2008 9:15:04 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: no dems; Miss Didi

And this one too..!


39 posted on 09/08/2008 9:16:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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To: KavMan

Right you are.Fast eddy is a major clintoon supporter and I think he may just not be able to get the vote out this time.Just too bad huh?


40 posted on 09/08/2008 9:22:45 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: NewMediaFan

The numbers are weird. If McCain has jumped out in front this hard in Indies and Dems (and elsewhere I have seen huge leads amongst catholics and great numbers amongst hispanics), then McCain should be up by 20%. He’s not. Something don’t add up.


41 posted on 09/08/2008 9:26:11 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: KavMan

“I wish we can get those Bob Barr and Ron Paul nuts on our side....”

Well, you’ve got THIS one.


42 posted on 09/08/2008 9:26:56 PM PDT by oldfart
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The PUMA voters definitely realize this alredy. Others will follow, too.


43 posted on 09/08/2008 9:39:26 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: NewMediaFan

The Mav’s speech was dynamite to bringing in Independents. Very stirring speech and easily one of his best.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


44 posted on 09/08/2008 9:41:56 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: diamond6

This...http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4754


45 posted on 09/08/2008 9:44:57 PM PDT by fantom
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To: no dems

Obama’s money is running out....


46 posted on 09/08/2008 9:49:11 PM PDT by rewrite
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To: KavMan

Rendell is die-hard Clinton but he is also die-hard Democrat. He won’t lift a finger for McCain even for the Clintons.


47 posted on 09/08/2008 9:50:34 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; GulfBreeze; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; ...
The McCain List.

48 posted on 09/08/2008 9:54:21 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: NewMediaFan
This is the BIG news, Independents, Hillary voters supporting McCain.

That, along with a united GOP spellls diaster for the Democrats this Fall.

49 posted on 09/08/2008 10:18:44 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ('we don't make compromises-we make Marines')
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To: All

oooooooooooooooooooorrahhhhhhhh!


50 posted on 09/09/2008 6:49:08 AM PDT by TinaJeannes
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