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(Culture War Rages On): California bans 'brides,' 'grooms'
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | September 08, 2008 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 09/09/2008 8:35:52 AM PDT by Publius804

QUEERLY BELOVED

California bans 'brides,' 'grooms'

License rejected for couple seeking traditional marriage

Posted: September 08, 2008 9:05 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

ROSEVILLE, Calif. – "Brides" and "grooms" are no longer allowed to marry in the State of California.

That privilege is only extended to individuals who allow themselves to be called "Party A" and "Party B" on marriage licenses.

Pastor Doug Bird of Abundant Life Fellowship in Roseville, Calif., was alarmed to find the state now rejects the traditional terms after he officiated his first marriage ceremony last week following the California Supreme Court decision to overturn Proposition 22.

The couple had written the words "bride" and "groom" next to "Party A" and "Party B" because they wanted to be legally recognized as husband and wife.

However, the Placer County marriage license was denied.

"I received back the license and a letter from the Placer County Clerk/Recorder stating that the license 'does not comply with California State registration laws,'" Bird said in a statement from the Pacific Justice Institute.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antifamily; california; culturewar; fauxmarriage; gaymarriage; healthypeople; healthypeople2010; homosexualagenda; inlocoparentis; marxism; politicalcorrectness; politicallycorrect; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; stakeholders

1 posted on 09/09/2008 8:35:52 AM PDT by Publius804
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To: calcowgirl; Coleus; wagglebee; KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; ...

ping.


2 posted on 09/09/2008 8:39:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804
Next, Gay Marriage greeting cards from Hallmark, right there in your five and dime store on Mainstreet USA, at eye level to eight year olds. "To Him and Him" and "To Her and Her", little tabs separating the cards.

Culture war is right.

Soon you wont be able to say ANYTHING about homosexual marriage.

If you do, you will be liable to be nailed to a cross over it. (it is coming)

3 posted on 09/09/2008 8:41:39 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for our TROOPS. And for families of 1000's slain by illegal aliens on US soil. Amen.)
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To: Publius804

Outrageous.


4 posted on 09/09/2008 8:42:11 AM PDT by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: P-Marlowe; BibChr

Party A and Party B

Why not just Comrade?

:>)

Y’all are in the center of wacko-land. My prayers are with you.


5 posted on 09/09/2008 8:43:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: All
>>>That privilege is only extended to individuals who allow themselves to be called "Party A" and "Party B" on marriage licenses. <<<<

I hope you all don't think this is just politically correct speak. There is a lot more to this verbage change and homosexuality is the red herring.

THIS is about changing parental rights with children to STAKEHOLDERS.

In the United States, courts often must determine who the legal parents are among the many adults who might be involved in planning, conceiving, birthing, and raising a child. Judges in several states have seized upon the idea of “psychological” parenthood to award legal parent status to adults who are not related to children by blood, adoption, or marriage. They have done so even over the objection of the child’s biological parent. Advances in the same-sex marriage debate have encouraged group marriage advocates who wish to break open the two-person understanding of marriage and parenthood.

The National Health Education Standards has gone further and envoked in loco parentis by redefining parents as families. Families have been classified as stakeholders. Children’s stakeholders are being identified as any entity that is seen as a resource in a child’s community. The legal definition of stakeholder is a third party who temporarily holds money or property while its owner is still being determined.

6 posted on 09/09/2008 8:46:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

This is much bigger than a ‘culture war’ AIT. I’ve been screaming in the wind with my post 6 for over a year now. I don’t know if no one listens or no one gets it. Probably both.


7 posted on 09/09/2008 8:48:29 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; xzins
Next, Gay Marriage greeting cards from Hallmark, right there in your five and dime store on Mainstreet USA, at eye level to eight year olds.

Next? They are already there. We will never again darken the door of a Hallmark store.

8 posted on 09/09/2008 8:50:41 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins

Ohio is signed on with Healthy People too.

The ‘gay’ part of all of this is to hide the redefining of the legal language.

IOW, this is already policy in your state and no one has figured out how to introduce it to you.


9 posted on 09/09/2008 8:51:27 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804

I think they should make it multiple choice. Groom/Butch Lesbian/Gay male #1/Animal Fetishist on one line and Bride/Lipstick Lesbian/Pansy/Girlyman/Animal’s name and species on the next.


10 posted on 09/09/2008 8:54:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Publius804

Yes, this is pathetic but I think this particular incident is less a bias in favor of gay marriage and more a bias in favor of bureaucracy and the general rule that one does not alter an officially-recorded vital record form. There is a battle to be fought but this is a minor skirmish compared to the main conflicts. The best approach, to me, would be to have legislation authorizing two different official forms or a form which permitted the parties to specifically designate Partner A or B or Bride or Groom. Yes, the gay mafia would fight it but it would overcome the near impregnable refusal of bureaucrats to change a procedure.


11 posted on 09/09/2008 8:54:48 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Publius804

And the MSM and Lefties wonder why Governor Palin is such a hit.....


12 posted on 09/09/2008 8:56:10 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Palin has run a state, town and fishing operation. Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth.(Steyn)
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To: Born Conservative; 2Jedismom; StarCMC; metmom

Ping to article and post 6.

http://www.hslda.org/Default.asp?bhcp=1
HSLDA has been covering Healthy People 2010

Healthy People 2010 is huge. It has 28 categorized initiatives encompased that branch off into far reaching initiatives with public private partnerships and grants programs.

Healthy People 2010 has been being introduced incrementally. In sections, it looks harmless; but when the initiatives are zipped together, it is devastating.

One of the aims of Healthy People 2010 is to end private ownership and rights. It makes us stakeholders of our properties. It makes us stakeholders of our personal rights. That means of our health and our children.

State departments of educations have been encompassing in loco parentis in their Healthy Schools programs. Healthy Schools is the evil offspring of Health People 2010. This is about MORE than issuing birth control. This is MORE than homosexuals marrying. THIS is about changing parental rights with children to STAKEHOLDERS.


13 posted on 09/09/2008 8:56:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

I think Ohio has simply used blank spaces for years. I united ______ and _________ in marriage.


14 posted on 09/09/2008 8:57:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Publius804
individuals who allow themselves to be called "Party A" and "Party B"

Fruit and Loop?

15 posted on 09/09/2008 9:03:02 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: xzins

This is more than about marriage. Please read the posts I’ve made.


16 posted on 09/09/2008 9:03:27 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the link, Calpernia. There is much happening on many fronts the average person is not aware of, and unless you are in a position to be confronted by the policy being implemented, it is easy to be unaware.


17 posted on 09/09/2008 9:05:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: All

These are related threads.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1561077/posts
Animal Tagging and SCHOOL LUNCHES???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010


18 posted on 09/09/2008 9:06:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804

Obviously a narrow-minded, un-inclusive ruling
- Where is “Party A/C” and “Party D/C?”


19 posted on 09/09/2008 9:08:41 AM PDT by pollwatcher (Palin was put on this earth to do two things: kill caribou and kick butt. She's all out of caribou.")
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To: Calpernia

The Left, Marxists, and Satan

want to destroy the traditional family unit.

The family is the core unit of civilization. It is also the place where parents learn, from their children, about their own relationship with the Holy Father.


20 posted on 09/09/2008 9:08:52 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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A Global Kidnapping

Around the world, the two-person, mother-father model of parenthood is being fundamentally challenged.

In Canada, with virtually no debate, the controversial law that brought about same-sex marriage quietly included the provision to erase the term “natural parent” across the board in federal law, replacing it with the term “legal parent.”

With that law, the power in defining who a child’s parents are shifts precipitously from civil society to the state, with the consequences as yet unknown.

In Spain, after the recent legalization of same-sex marriage the legislature changed the birth certificates for all children in that nation to read “Progenitor A” and
“Progenitor B” instead of “mother” and “father.” With that change, the words “mother” and “father” were struck from the first document issued to every newborn by the state.

Similar proposals have been made in other jurisdictions that have legalized same-sex marriage.

In New Zealand and Australia, influential law commissions have proposed allowing children conceived with use of sperm or egg donors to have three legal parents.

In the United States, courts often must determine who the legal parents are among the many adults who might be involved in planning, conceiving, birthing, and raising a child. In a growing practice, judges in several states have seized upon the idea of “psychological” parenthood to award legal parent status to adults who are not related to children by blood, adoption, or marriage. They have done so even over the objection of the child’s biological parent. Advances in the same-sex marriage debate have encouraged group marriage advocates who wish to break open the two-person understanding of marriage and parenthood.

The National Health Education Standards has gone further and envoked in loco parentis by redefining parents as families. Families have been classified as stakeholders. Children’s stakeholders are being identified as any entity that is seen as a resource in a child’s community.

Quote from NationalGuidelines.org http://www.nationalguidelines.org/guideline.cfm?guideNum=0-12 :

>>Schools often have insufficient resources to provide a comprehensive and multifaceted continuum of interventions. By having direct contact with families and key informants in the community, schools are better able to identify barriers to student success and well-being and better equipped to develop solutions that overcome these barriers. Schools can enhance home-school links by sharing concerns with families and developing solutions that address students’ unique needs.

In addition to the benefits for students’ education and well-being, students’ families, and school staff, there are reciprocal benefits for community agencies who partner with schools. Businesses, the justice system, community health and safety systems, and others may benefit from a healthier population. Community agencies and organizations that provide services to children and families often gain a more visible profile when they become partners with schools.

Examples of neighborhood stakeholders in student health and well-being are students themselves, as well as their families and teachers. Other school staff, community business owners, police, faith-based institutions, universities and colleges, local health departments, health and mental health service providers, dentists, emergency medical services, educators of first-aid, departments of health, justice, education and social services, and other agencies that serve families have stakes in the well-being of the student population and school staff. Communicate regularly with partners and potential partners in order to learn what each has to offer.<<

Do mothers and fathers matter to children? Is there anything special—anything worth supporting—about the two-person, mother-father model? Are children commodities to be produced by the marketplace? What role should the state have in defining parenthood? When adult rights clash with children’s needs, how should the conflict be resolved?


21 posted on 09/09/2008 9:12:03 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: xzins

...and the next sound you hear is California sliding into the ocean!


22 posted on 09/09/2008 9:12:34 AM PDT by saltnlemons (On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand...all other ground is sinking sand!)
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To: MrB
The family is the core unit of civilization. It is also the place where parents learn, from their children, about their own relationship with the Holy Father.

Well, now, we can't have that, can we? That would interfere with the plans of the Unholy Big Brother.

23 posted on 09/09/2008 9:13:16 AM PDT by thulldud (All your rumor are mong to us.)
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To: MrB; Smokin' Joe

They came out with their own gov site since I’ve started following this hydra

http://healthypeople.gov/

Take a look.


24 posted on 09/09/2008 9:14:49 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804
A group of typical San Francisco Democrats gathers outside City Hall to discuss the use of the words "bride" and "groom" on marriage licenses.


25 posted on 09/09/2008 9:16:05 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tired of Taxes

ping


26 posted on 09/09/2008 9:19:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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Example of how the legal language gets snuck in and changed.

http://blog.newyorkcitycommunity.us/2008/01/03/antibullying-bill-up-for-senate-vote-today.aspx
Anti-Bullying Bill Up for Senate Vote Today

My blog post covering NJ’s Anti Bullying Bill. Sounds irrelevant to this right?

No, it is not.

Look at the language in Section 2c.

Section 2c has the Attorney General listed as parens patriae.

The AG as Parens Patriae is not listed as acting for this (bullying) situation, but languaged as ‘as being’.

Parens patriae was sometimes evoked by courts during conflicts in family disputes because not all courts always had jurisdiction and the courts weren’t always obliged to take that doctrine.

But this language states that the Attorney General IS the parens patriae of children.

This means, in loco parentis has been implemented in our state and we are late to the notification. Just the same as changing the marriage license language means it was implemented in California, and the people there are late to the notification.

In loco parentis is Latin for “in the place of a parent” or “instead of a parent”. IOW parents have become Stakeholders or third party holders.


27 posted on 09/09/2008 9:29:37 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804

I am a BRIDE - period! The MAN marrying me is a GROOM - period! This town is sick in the head! This sickness must be ended once and for all. MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A HUMAN MAN AND A HUMAN FEMALE - period! I don’t care what you do in your bedroom, legislating for you is out of the question - period!


28 posted on 09/09/2008 9:29:54 AM PDT by Pilated
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To: Publius804; All
For those of us in California, make sure we all vote for Prop 8. Prop 8 amends the state constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman.

Help stop these evil doers from making themselves more equal than the rest of us.

29 posted on 09/09/2008 9:47:11 AM PDT by afnamvet (COUNTRY FIRST! McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Calpernia
Would it be feasible to just not get a marriage license now? Would that be a good form of protest?
30 posted on 09/09/2008 9:53:05 AM PDT by Paytriot (# sand)
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To: Paytriot

Getting or not getting a license won’t change the legal status of people’s children. The language change is confirmation that the legal status has been changed.


31 posted on 09/09/2008 10:01:28 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804

Party A and Party B.

Do not insert Tab A into Slot B. Just get some Scotch tape and afix two Tab As together I guess.


32 posted on 09/09/2008 10:04:28 AM PDT by weegee (Better to support a pitbull in lipstick than to be in a party that is putting lipstick on a pig.)
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To: Publius804

Californicators leading our way to Sodom.


33 posted on 09/09/2008 10:14:27 AM PDT by polymuser (Taxpayers voting for Obama are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for making us aware of the nefarious link of same-sex marriage to the nullification of parental rights.

In the disturbed minds of the liberal societal deconstructionists we won't have reached complete enlightenment until all of our children are raised in hatcheries a la Brave New World.

34 posted on 09/09/2008 10:23:47 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The Lebensborn Project never really shut down.


35 posted on 09/09/2008 10:45:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: P-Marlowe

you are kidding me. for me, i always said that will mark the beginning of the end of the united states of america.


36 posted on 09/09/2008 5:02:43 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for our TROOPS. And for families of 1000's slain by illegal aliens on US soil. Amen.)
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To: Calpernia; DAVEY CROCKETT; LibertyRocks; milford421

THIS is about changing parental rights with children to STAKEHOLDERS. <<<

Communism in its purest form...all children belong to the state.

Next comes the removing them from ALL homes, so the brainwashing begins at birth.

Communism or Hitler, not a lot of difference to me, all evil.


37 posted on 09/10/2008 5:45:57 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

>>>Communism or Hitler, not a lot of difference to me, all evil.

This is more of a true statement then will ever be touched on. German agents helped from Lenin from Siberia and helped smuggle him back into Russia to seat him. Cleon Skousen is the only one I’ve seen so far to tell that story.


38 posted on 09/10/2008 6:19:16 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Cleon Skousen is the only one I’ve seen so far to tell that story.<<<

Cleon attempted to tell us what was coming and it did come.

The Communist Manifesto 1963, in real life today.


39 posted on 09/10/2008 7:13:46 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Since people always try to debunk the ‘Communist Manifesto’, I’m adding this as a footnote:

Communist Manifesto is printed in
The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen, bio: http://www.skousen2000.com/biography.htm

The Communist Manifesto was written in 1847 by Karl Marx and Friederich Engels when they were invited to join the ‘Federation of Just’ (later renamed the Communist League). It was adopted by the ‘Federation of Just’ congress and called the declaration of principles or “Manifesto to the World”.

Marx and Engels were commissioned into the Federation of Just in Brussels. They announced the New Program of International Communism with a plea for revolution to:

overthrow capitalism, abolition of private property, elimination of the family as a social unit, abolition of all classes, overthrow of all governments and the establishment of a communist order with communal ownership of property.

Karl Marx put all his ideas down in a book called ‘Capital’. One of his students, Mikhail Bakunin, smuggled this book back into Russia. Lenin, who embraced the writings, was installed by GERMAN officials after the Tsar was murdered.

I highly recommend reading this book. It is hard to find since it is out of print. It was written as training material for students and the armed forces.


40 posted on 09/10/2008 7:35:40 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Publius804

so the state of california is now messing with teh establishment and free exercise clause.

bring on the federal suits.


41 posted on 09/10/2008 7:57:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lancey Howard

I’m so tired of seeing that perverted image...


42 posted on 09/10/2008 6:48:18 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Calpernia

Cal, thank you for the info on the source of the manifesto, I have copied it for later.


43 posted on 09/15/2008 2:49:49 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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