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To: stockpirate
Palin has a right to her religious beliefs, as do fundamentalist Muslims who agree with her on so many issues of social policy. None of them has a right, however, to impose their beliefs on others by capturing and deploying the executive power of the state.

I've seen this twisted thinking before. My brother the moonbat tends to explain it this way (he's serious):

The Constitution demands a wall between church and state [CCG: it doesn't] and therefore, no Christian or other member of a religion should ever be president. George W. Bush is a Christian, which makes the US a theocracy. So we're exactly like Iran.

12 posted on 09/09/2008 12:04:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just in an examination of the continuum of Religious to Secular, starting with the Founders,

we’ve never been more secular than we are now,

and never more religious than we were at the Founding.

At what point was this country ever a “theocracy”?

(If you want some real insight into his REAL reason, here it is, if not, skip it)

John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

Every human knows what is right and wrong;
every human has a conscience that convicts him when tickled with reminders of what is right and what is wrong;
every human is a sinner.

He doesn’t want to be reminded of his shortfalls, so it’s better to remove all reminders from public life. Any such reminders in public life will be viewed as “imposing religious beliefs” when in fact, they just exist, and it’s the person’s conscience that is making him feel uncomfortable.


22 posted on 09/09/2008 12:13:32 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Dr. Eckleburg
The Constitution demands a wall between church and state and therefore, no Christian or other member of a religion should ever be president. George W. Bush is a Christian, which makes the US a theocracy. So we're exactly like Iran.

Seems like it was just yesterday that I read another FReeper posting this very same argument...

....oh wait, it was yesterday!

31 posted on 09/09/2008 12:30:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A guy at work also used that one on me. I said that using that logic, every form of government is a theocracy (since even the avowed atheist states have an ideology that is a form of non god religion).

This form of thinking will lead to purges one of these days.

62 posted on 09/09/2008 3:40:52 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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