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Sarah Palin's Alaskonomics (Michael Kinsley: One of Us Has to Be Superior, Condescending)
Time ^ | Tuesday, Sep. 09, 2008 By MICHAEL KINSLEY | Michael Kinsley

Posted on 09/09/2008 12:59:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and has never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey. Although Palin praised John McCain in her acceptance speech as a man who puts the good of his country ahead of partisan politics, McCain pretty much proved the opposite with his selection of a running mate whose main asset is her ability to reignite the culture wars. So maybe Governor Palin does represent everything that is good and fine about America, as she herself maintains. But spare us, please, any talk about how she is a tough fiscal conservative.

Palin has continued to repeat the already exposed lie that she said "No, thanks" to the famous "bridge to nowhere" (McCain's favorite example of wasteful federal spending). In fact, she said "Yes, please" until the project became a symbol and political albatross.

Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 2 1/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it. Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.

Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; democrats; elections; elite; liberalmedia; liberals; mccainpalin; media; mediabias; mediawingofthednc; msm; obamedia; palin; palinattacks; sarahcuda
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1 posted on 09/09/2008 12:59:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He forgot to say that Alaska people make very high wages so they can afford the taxes. With fewer than a million people, and far fewer taxpayers, there wouldn’t be a road or even indoor plumbing without high per capita taxes.

College kids go up to Alaska for a summer of hard work to pay for their entire year of college and a convertible to drive to class. They earn $40-$60K or maybe even more now.


2 posted on 09/09/2008 1:05:02 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: nickcarraway
Kinsley can fudge numbers all he wants, but The Tax Foundation rates AK as the fourth best state in the Union overall in terms of tax burden.

AK has no income tax and no sales tax.

3 posted on 09/09/2008 1:05:45 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: nickcarraway
Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and has never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.

Man, it sure gets ugly when projection crossbreeds with elitism. Palin does not consider herself superior. She just mocks the likes of you, Kinsley, when YOU act superior.

4 posted on 09/09/2008 1:06:10 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nickcarraway

Pretty much anyone is a better American than Kinsley.


5 posted on 09/09/2008 1:06:13 PM PDT by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: nickcarraway

Is somebody feeling inadequate, Michael Kinsley?


6 posted on 09/09/2008 1:06:50 PM PDT by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: nickcarraway

No, Mr. Kinsley. Sarah doesn’t believe she is a better or more superior American than everyone else. But she does believe in that strange idea called “diversity” and that a lot of genuine American voices are not being heard inside the Washington Beltway, including those of Americans from hockey-watching moms from small towns. Get over it.


7 posted on 09/09/2008 1:07:24 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: nickcarraway
The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.

And this guy writes for a major magazine? Is he telling us that if Alaska lowered the state tax on oil, that BP would sell it to us for LESS than the global spot price for that grade of oil as a result? TELL ME someone can't be this stupid. Please.

8 posted on 09/09/2008 1:07:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Take away a liberal’s condescending arrogant elitism and all you’re left with is ignorance.

liberal = arrogance + ignorance


9 posted on 09/09/2008 1:09:21 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: nickcarraway

Awww, mikey’s po’d because she is not groveling at his journalists penstroke. She already said she wasn’t going to seek his “good” opinion. He must really hate that she dissed him in a most personal Washington way.


10 posted on 09/09/2008 1:10:28 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: caseinpoint

“diversity” of ideas is TRUE diversity.

“diversity” in the leftist sense is basically the bar scene in Star Wars.


11 posted on 09/09/2008 1:10:31 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Veto!

Tell me more about this possible job opportunity in Alaska please.

Hahahah.


12 posted on 09/09/2008 1:12:00 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: nickcarraway

Wassamatta-U, Mikey? Upset because Sarah has “re-ignited the culture wars?” Those were the wars you on the left declared over years ago...according to the terms of surrender, leftist elites are superior in every way and it is the lot of we flyover country mouthbreathers to follow your every rule in the living of our pathetic, unimportant little lives. You would let us know what is best for us, mainly so we didn’t annoy you or upset your perfect existence. But here comes some silly broad from Alaska, of all places, who actually considers herself worthy of public office! Who does she think she is? More importantly, did she somehow missread the agreement to worship her betters!


13 posted on 09/09/2008 1:12:31 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: nickcarraway
Sounds like a grumpy old man with a severe case of Palin envy...


14 posted on 09/09/2008 1:12:38 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: nickcarraway

The msm tried to throw mud on her, she smacked them down. Now they are squealing like spoiled junior high school girls who are told they can’t go to the Hannah Montana concert. It’s both disgusting and amusing at the same time.


15 posted on 09/09/2008 1:12:44 PM PDT by henkster (Sarah Palin; the 2nd coming of Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: wideawake

CNN said Alaska had the lowest tax burden a couple years ago. So what is this guy talking about?


16 posted on 09/09/2008 1:13:15 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: nickcarraway
Michael Kinsley has a small weenie and feels sexually inadequate when confronted by a real woman.

Even a Corvette wouldn't help him.


17 posted on 09/09/2008 1:13:53 PM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: nickcarraway
Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and has never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.

As they say, "we suspect about others what we know about ourselves."

18 posted on 09/09/2008 1:14:22 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: nickcarraway

I thought Sarah was a gap-toothed redneck. Or she burned books. Or wanted to kill all of God’s creatures. Or hid her daughter’s pregnancy. Or didn’t care about her Down’s syndrome child. Or was Dan Quayle. Or was Dick Cheney. Or wanted to rape the environment. Or didn’t care if her daughter was raped. Or didn’t want anyone to have an abortion. Or stopped her daughter from having an abortion. Or was a mean-spirited, gun-toting, Christian fanatic.

Now we know. She’s Scrooge McDuck on the tundra.

This election has certainly done one thing to me personally. I’ll never look at a leftist again without a combination of pity and disdain.


19 posted on 09/09/2008 1:15:05 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: dirtboy

Hell, I live in Alaska...I pay no income tax to the state and no sales tax...I make over $70,000 a year and still get over $3,000 back in taxes each year. This state is actually doing quite well. In fact I will get a check from the state for over $3,300 just for living here later this week (no, I am not a native). With my wife and children I will get almost $20,000. One of the reasons for the large amount of fed spending in Alaska is because of the large native population and the fact that about 80% of the state is owned by the feds anyway. Kinsley is an elitist snob who hates to see small town and small state people one-up him. Palin will be a great Vp.


20 posted on 09/09/2008 1:15:32 PM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: nickcarraway

These liberal media folks just can’t give it up, can they? Bitter clingers.


21 posted on 09/09/2008 1:15:48 PM PDT by popdonnelly (I'll tell you a little secret: We're smarter and more competent than the Left.)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
You've mischaracterized Kinsley.

He's the kid who was de-pantsed by the bigger kids at school.

22 posted on 09/09/2008 1:17:49 PM PDT by Publius (Change is not a destination, and hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Condor51

Isn’t he the turkey who used to be on CNN’s point counterpoint or some other silly show.


23 posted on 09/09/2008 1:19:20 PM PDT by wordsofearnest ("The fundamental solution (w/b) that there is no longer any need to immigrate")
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To: wordsofearnest

It was “crossfire” with Pat Buchanan


24 posted on 09/09/2008 1:24:51 PM PDT by wordsofearnest ("The fundamental solution (w/b) that there is no longer any need to immigrate")
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To: redpoll
I’ll never look at a leftist again without a combination of pity and disdain.

My parting comment to Kinsley and the rest of the MSM is: Who's bitter now?

25 posted on 09/09/2008 1:25:11 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nickcarraway

Pouty Eastern beltway metrosexuals like MK are the LAST PEOPLE ON EARTH I’d read to decide what to think about Sarah.


26 posted on 09/09/2008 1:26:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: dirtboy

You nailed it, bud!


27 posted on 09/09/2008 1:27:25 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: Veto!

Well, that and the fact that ALASKA is geographically the size of 1/2 of the lower 48, that does have a rather large impact on infrastructure and other spending.

This article is just nonsense, like most liberal diatribes.


28 posted on 09/09/2008 1:30:00 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: redpoll

Don’t forget - Obama warned us that he would be the one getting attacked by the right. And Michelle warned us against that constantly moving goalpost.


29 posted on 09/09/2008 1:32:41 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Jesse Jackson talks about neutering Obama, but Sarah Palin actually delivers.)
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To: henkster

Man, you really insulted junior high girls!


30 posted on 09/09/2008 1:33:20 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: henkster

Man, you really insulted junior high girls!


31 posted on 09/09/2008 1:34:11 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: nickcarraway

“his selection of a running mate whose main asset is her ability to reignite the culture wars.”

It needed reigniting.


32 posted on 09/09/2008 1:35:26 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: nickcarraway

I can just see Kinsley sneering and the saliva droplets hitting his screen as he pecked it out...


33 posted on 09/09/2008 1:35:55 PM PDT by pollwatcher (Palin was put on this earth to do two things: kill caribou and kick butt. She's all out of caribou.")
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...a superior human being because she isn't a journalist...

Uhhh...Mikey, do some research. She IS a journalist.

34 posted on 09/09/2008 1:37:04 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (UN the horse you rode in on.)
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To: nickcarraway
there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.

Considering that no one up there wants to kill us in the name of Allah, I'd say being dependent on Alaska is a fine improvement over the way things are now.

35 posted on 09/09/2008 1:37:46 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: wideawake
"AK has no income tax and no sales tax"

As the article says, they don't have to, they tax the oil company.

And the oil company passes it onto you, the consumer.

And that's not all.

Palin's Pipeline is another scheme to tax the oil company, who will pass it onto you the consumer.

The TransCanada website has the 25 year payout of revenues on Palin's Pipeline

Oil companies- $207 billion
Alaskazuela- $131 billion
FedGov- $52 billion
TransCanada- $17 billion

36 posted on 09/09/2008 1:44:17 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

This guy ever heard the saying “I’m not conceited, I’m convinced”??


37 posted on 09/09/2008 1:46:31 PM PDT by DeLaine (It's not about what they say, it's about what they do)
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To: Ben Ficklin
As the article says, they don't have to, they tax the oil company.

Everyone who trots out this Democrat talking point seems to forget that the oil companies in Alaska are tenants, not owners.

And owners can charge rent.

Why would Alaskans allow people to drill on their land for free?

Do condo owners in the lower 48 allow people to live in their properties without paying rent?

38 posted on 09/09/2008 1:49:16 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: redpoll
I thought Sarah was a gap-toothed redneck. Or she burned books. Or wanted to kill all of God’s creatures...

When in actuality, she's channeling a former governor who ended up at 1600:


Here's looking at you, Kid!"

39 posted on 09/09/2008 1:50:51 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: nickcarraway
Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and has never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.

She never said that and doesn't think that. She was just introducing herself to the American people, and she happens to be from a small town and to have watched her kids play hockey (and to have been a journalist at one point as well).

It's best to stay away from the "they think they're better than us" rhetoric, especially when you've lived so long among Washington journalists who do think themselves better than small town Americans and hockey moms. Michael, if you write that sort of thing people are going to think you are insecure or resentful.

40 posted on 09/09/2008 1:54:42 PM PDT by x
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To: wideawake
You are the one trotting out the dem talking points.

The dems want to tax the oil companies like Palin has taxed the oil companies like you indicate you want to tax the oil companies.

There is a big conflict between the GOP position on taxing oil companies and the GOP Veep's position on taxing oil companies.

41 posted on 09/09/2008 1:57:19 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Kids used to go up to work on crab boats and come home with that kind of money. Dangerous he-man jobs pay well compared with the same in the lower 48. Cost of living is high, so it’s just the same economy with different decimal points for workers who live there year round, I suppose.


42 posted on 09/09/2008 1:58:25 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Ben Ficklin
You are the one trotting out the dem talking points. The dems want to tax the oil companies like Palin has taxed the oil companies like you indicate you want to tax the oil companies. There is a big conflict between the GOP position on taxing oil companies and the GOP Veep's position on taxing oil companies.

As I suspected, you have no argument.

Here's a clue:

When an oil company in Louisiana drills on its own land and is taxed by the state of Louisiana it is a very different thing, morally and fiscally, from an oil company in Alaska drilling on state land and being charged rent by the state of Alaska for drilling on land that the company does not own.

A fiscal conservative has a responsibility to manage state assets so that they yield the highest possible return for their owners - the citizens of Alaska.

A fiscal conservative does not give oil that belongs to the taxpayers away for free.

43 posted on 09/09/2008 2:04:08 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
You are talking about royalties, but the issue is separation taxes.

In the 4th paragraph of the article: 3/4 of the value of the oil is taken before the oil is permitted to leave(separate from) the state.

You sound like Chuck Schumer.

44 posted on 09/09/2008 2:17:35 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
In the 4th paragraph of the article: 3/4 of the value of the oil is taken before the oil is permitted to leave(separate from) the state.

Semantics.

Essentially you are arguing that Alaskans shouldn't be able to decide at what price they will part with the oil they own.

But it's theirs, and they can dictate the price.

You sound like Chuck Schumer.

Actually obfuscation of simple issues, a la Chuck, seems to be more of your bag. Not mine.

If you don't like the price, don't buy it. But stop acting as if you have a right to pay whatever price you name for something that belongs to someone else.

45 posted on 09/09/2008 2:32:10 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; Ben Ficklin

Part of Alaska’s constitution - put together when they said “sure - we’ll be a state” is that the natural resources of Alaska are the property of Alaska’s citizens (the “state”). I think it is the only state that does this. The citizens own the mineral rights, logging rights, etc. In Louisiana the land owner may or may not own the mineral rights, but if he does, can sell the rights to the oil company.

Hence the $2,200 annual check, plus last year’s extra check to cover higher fuel, plus no taxes, etc.

Also - the revised tax system that Palin pushed through on the oil companies gives incentives for exploration and development, increases competition, as well as taxing the companies more. The old tax code was formed under allegations of “good old boy” graft giving BP(?) a better deal over others with allegations of kick-backs if I recall some of the articles I’ve read.

Also - the natural gas pipeline that had been considered back during the 70’s embargo (30 years ago!!) was pushed through by Palin. I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to the various private companies that have already started work on it (mainly geotechnical and environmental studies to date).


46 posted on 09/09/2008 2:51:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: wideawake
"If you don't like the price, don't buy it"

That is exactly what is happening.

"BP said it would develop projects on federal land, which is not subject to Alaska's taxes"
Conoco-Phillips said it will not invest 300 million previously budgeted.

And the biggest kicker is that the oil companies have said screw Palin, we will build our own pipeline.

Murkowski wanted to raise taxes on the oil companies and use the money to build the pipeline. The oil companies were ok with that.

Then Palin tells the voters, "we deserve more". Vote for me and I'll raise taxes on the oil companies and give it to us deserving Alaskans, which she did. Then she would build the pipeline and force the oil companies to use the pipeline at an exorbitant cost, with proceeds flowing back to the state.

Here's another article that better explains Palin's tax scheme.

47 posted on 09/09/2008 3:02:58 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: 21twelve; wideawake

The underlying problem is that the North Slope oil field is old and playing out. The infrastructure(including the pipeline) is corroded and wearing out.


48 posted on 09/09/2008 3:14:52 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: redpoll
I’ll never look at a leftist again without a combination of pity and disdain.

I think we all feel that way as they sound more and more psychotic in their terror over a strong, competent woman. The wonder is that any of us ever took any of them seriously before. Not any more.

49 posted on 09/09/2008 3:21:32 PM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

From a search found the following from a science article from the University in Fairbanks, July 2008. It was just given the go ahead for another 30 years. BTW, it is now running at 50% capacity - but ANWR is only 55 miles to tap into it. Also, if Murkowski’s deal for a new pipeline was so great, how come the oil companies didn’t take it?

“Strung over and beneath the surface of Alaska from Prudhoe Bay to Valdez, the trans-Alaska pipeline, at 31 years old, is entering its second lifetime. The four-foot in diameter, half-inch-thick steel pipe had an original design lifespan of 30 years. The State of Alaska and the U.S. Department of the Interior recently gave the pipeline the green light for another 30 years of operation.

“It’s like a car,” said Johnson, who works for Alyeska Pipeline Service Company, while standing under the pipeline near Fairbanks during a recent permafrost conference lecture. “As long as you maintain it, it’ll continue to work.”


50 posted on 09/09/2008 4:06:37 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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