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Criminalizing Criticism of Islam
WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | September 10, 2008 | ELIZABETH SAMSON

Posted on 09/09/2008 6:08:19 PM PDT by ricks_place

There are strange happenings in the world of international jurisprudence that do not bode well for the future of free speech. In an unprecedented case, a Jordanian court is prosecuting 12 Europeans in an extraterritorial attempt to silence the debate on radical Islam.

The prosecutor general in Amman charged the 12 with blasphemy, demeaning Islam and Muslim feelings, and slandering and insulting the prophet Muhammad in violation of the Jordanian Penal Code. The charges are especially unusual because the alleged violations were not committed on Jordanian soil.

Among the defendants is the Danish cartoonist whose alleged crime was to draw in 2005 one of the Muhammad illustrations that instigators then used to spark Muslim riots around the world. His co-defendants include 10 editors of Danish newspapers that published the images. The 12th accused man is Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, who supposedly broke Jordanian law by releasing on the Web his recent film, "Fitna," which tries to examine how the Quran inspires Islamic terrorism.

Jordan's attempt at criminalizing free speech beyond its own borders wouldn't be so serious if it were an isolated case. Unfortunately, it is part of a larger campaign to use the law and international forums to intimidate critics of militant Islam. For instance, in December the United Nations General Assembly passed the Resolution on Combating Defamation of Religions; the only religion mentioned by name was Islam. While such resolutions aren't legally binding, national governments sometimes cite them as justification for legislation or other actions.

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TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: censorship; dhimmi; freespeech; islam; judiciary; mohammedanism; worldcourt
Islam is incompatible with Western culture.
1 posted on 09/09/2008 6:08:19 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

That is the same conclusion I have come to. We will eventually have to fight them on a large scale I fear.


2 posted on 09/09/2008 6:12:23 PM PDT by refermech
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To: ricks_place
...charged the 12 with blasphemy, demeaning Islam and Muslim feelings, and slandering and insulting the prophet Muhammad...

Coming soon to an American town near you.

3 posted on 09/09/2008 6:14:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: ricks_place

Similar scenario coming to a city near you if we see an Obama administration.


4 posted on 09/09/2008 6:15:06 PM PDT by hope (Howard Wolfson: "She put a knife in him with a smile")
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To: ricks_place

Ah shucks! It’s just that ole religion of peace! /s


5 posted on 09/09/2008 6:16:48 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: ricks_place

islam can kiss my all-American ass.


6 posted on 09/09/2008 6:17:05 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Coming soon to an American town near you.

It is already here in the form of prosecuting our soldiers for doing their job.

7 posted on 09/09/2008 6:17:29 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: refermech

“We will eventually have to fight them on a large scale I fear.”

That’s a given.


8 posted on 09/09/2008 6:18:15 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: hope

Not as long as we have a 2nd Amendment...


9 posted on 09/09/2008 6:19:25 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: ricks_place

“Muslim feelings”

Damn! What about the rest of the world’s “feelings?”


10 posted on 09/09/2008 6:20:31 PM PDT by George - the Other ("Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent" - G. Orwell)
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To: ricks_place

Islam isn’t a religion. It’s a vast criminal conspiracy to commit murder, extortion and slavery.


11 posted on 09/09/2008 6:20:35 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: ought-six

I will eat pork ribs the day before the muzziez come for me


12 posted on 09/09/2008 6:20:40 PM PDT by waterhill
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To: ricks_place

The same thing is going on at the UN. They have a committe, headed up by muslims, that want to do the same thing..........around the world.


13 posted on 09/09/2008 6:20:59 PM PDT by RC2
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To: waterhill

Blackforrest a day till the muzziez come to play... On Jewish Rye!


14 posted on 09/09/2008 6:22:56 PM PDT by waterhill
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To: ricks_place
To quote a WWII B-29:


15 posted on 09/09/2008 6:24:36 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: Maverick68

Hide what you got and buy more.


16 posted on 09/09/2008 6:26:32 PM PDT by pipecorp
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To: ricks_place

i’m not religious,

but the united states is a judeo-christian culture.


17 posted on 09/09/2008 6:27:01 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: ricks_place
People — in general — have no clue how wide spread radical Islam is.

Two polls tell a story that is hard to ignore.

One in Canada, when a group of Muslim terrorists planed to take over the Parliament and decapitate the PM of Canada. A poll done by one of the Canadian papers showed about 25% of Canadian Muslims either fully supported or "had no problem" with these attacks and their goals.

In the UK, another poll asked very similar questions after the train bombings in London — the results were almost exactly the same, give a point or two.

If 25% of Muslims — in the west — support or condone such acts, then the mistrust of the Muslim community is well warranted, especially since I would assume that MANY in these polls supported the terrorists but did not want to say so.

In any case, that would mean is is fair to surmise that there ARE 10s of thousands who would support or condone terrorism in North America...as well as all through Europe....especially since Muslims do NOT integrate into the societies of these western countries, even the ones who are naturalized citizens.

18 posted on 09/09/2008 6:28:02 PM PDT by Jackson Brown (Conservatives killed their racehorse in order to let their fortunes ride on a jackass)
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To: ricks_place

I have put in some time studying the concepts of Natural Law and International Law as they were traditionally understood. Stuff like the International Court of Justice in the Hague has absolutely nothing to do with REAL international law.

The whole UN movement and the NWO movement and the Eurosnobs and the leftist Justices on SCOTUS who cite this stuff in their decisions have developed ideas that are dangerous to Democracy and the rule of law as it is traditionally understood.

And the Muslims are cleverly riding on these movements, appealing to the Multicultis and the effete leftists.

We have to take ALL of this stuff, deep-six it, and get back to our constitution and traditional ideas of right and wrong. ISLAM JUST DOESN’T FIT. Stoning women, knifing daughters or sisters who get out of line, marrying multiple wives and divorcing them at will, killing people who refuse to be MUSLIM—just doesn’t fit into our western civilization. There’s no way it will ever fit in, unless we want to bow down and let them rule us, as Islam demands.


19 posted on 09/09/2008 6:28:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ricks_place
Islam is incompatible with Western culture.

Agreed

20 posted on 09/09/2008 6:29:52 PM PDT by pipecorp
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To: ricks_place

Many thanks go to the swimmer and the peanut farmer.


21 posted on 09/09/2008 6:32:16 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: ricks_place
So, would it be illegal if I reference their drunken child-molesting, goat-humping, lying, murderous, psychotic, diseased, moronic pseudo-prophet as a worshiper of a false, stone, moon-god?

Just asking a hypothetical question.

22 posted on 09/09/2008 6:34:58 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: ricks_place

Honestly, a day rarely goes by that I don’t violate the Jordanian Penal Code. ‘Bad mouthing’ dead, caravan raiding, narcissistic cult leaders is a habit I recommend acquiring.


23 posted on 09/09/2008 6:35:44 PM PDT by morningstar_ssa (Freedom of Speech: Use it or lose it)
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To: ricks_place

F’Kallah, D’eth t’Islam.


24 posted on 09/09/2008 6:40:54 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama the Clean for King Pussy 2008!)
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To: ricks_place

F’Kallah, D’eth t’Islam.


25 posted on 09/09/2008 6:41:05 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama the Clean for King Pussy 2008!)
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To: ricks_place
I'm about halfway through a Koran now.

The paper is kind of rough, but it is two-ply and quite absorbent.

26 posted on 09/09/2008 6:48:56 PM PDT by MGMSwordsman
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To: muir_redwoods
So, would it be illegal if I reference their drunken child-molesting, goat-humping, lying, murderous, psychotic, diseased, moronic pseudo-prophet as a worshiper of a false, stone, moon-god?

Did you mention pedophile, robber, rapist?

27 posted on 09/09/2008 6:49:12 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

THE RELIGION OF MALIGNANTLY NARCISSISTIC ENTITLEMENT AND THE IDIOTS WHO LOVE THEM FOR IT
Halfway down the page

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/


28 posted on 09/09/2008 6:53:27 PM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

F’Kallah, D’eth t’Islam....{ repeat 5 times daily....} face West....


29 posted on 09/09/2008 6:57:58 PM PDT by waterhill
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To: Maverick68

Yep


30 posted on 09/09/2008 6:58:52 PM PDT by hope (Howard Wolfson: "She put a knife in him with a smile")
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To: ricks_place

Someone, somewhere will have to built the mother of all prisons to hold everyone that has something nasty to say about Islam. I for one won’t stop saying what I think about it.


31 posted on 09/09/2008 7:16:14 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So are they going to try and go get them from Europe? How about all the hate preaching that Muslims do?

IT IS ALWAYS A ONE WAY STREET WITH MUSLIMS.


32 posted on 09/09/2008 7:59:33 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: ought-six
[8 yr old voice]...My God can beat up your god...

the whole uncivilized world is donning a 'bomb me' sign lately...wonder what is in the air...

33 posted on 09/09/2008 8:22:35 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: ricks_place

This case from the 1990s always bugged me.

“Lauck was able to subvert German law by producing neo-nazi material, which is constitutionally protected in the United States, and then smuggle it into Germany. In the United States, all political speech is protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, while in Germany, political speech that advocates undermining the German constitution or overthrowing the government is illegal.” “ In 1995, Lauck was arrested in Denmark. He fought extradition all the way to the Danish Supreme Court, but lost. He was extradited to Germany for disseminating “anti-constitutional” literature. He was convicted by a Hamburg Court and was sentenced to four years in prison.
Lauck returned to Lincoln upon his release from prison in 1999,”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Lauck


34 posted on 09/09/2008 8:35:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (There will be more than one "October surprise" this time. Count on it.)
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To: ricks_place

btt


35 posted on 09/09/2008 10:44:37 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: ricks_place

I don’t think that is necessarily true. Fanatical Islam is not compatible with Western culture. Look at the Kurds for example - they are Islamic, but it is still a very tolerant culture, they value education and have realistic goals for the future...democracy is truly alive in Iraqi Kurdistan. (Google “the other Iraq” or go to Youtube to see the videos)
It really is a shame...if the rest of Iraq could objectively look north and really see all of the good things that are happening in Iraqi Kurdistan, maybe democracy could actually succeed in Iraq. I have been watching the Kurds for the last several years and I am touched and encouraged by all that’s being accomplished in Kurdistan.


36 posted on 09/09/2008 10:44:50 PM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: ricks_place
"Did you mention pedophile, robber, rapist?"

I mentioned, "child-molester" but I didn't want to be too harsh

37 posted on 09/10/2008 2:29:15 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: waterhill
First Infidel: SNEEZE!!!

Second Infidel: F'Kallah!

First Infidel: D'eth t'Islam!

38 posted on 09/10/2008 4:25:10 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama the Clean for King Pussy 2008!)
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