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Scientists start up giant particle-smashing machine (CERN Hadron Collider)
Reuters (excerpt) ^ | September 10, 2008 | Robert Evans

Posted on 09/10/2008 12:40:45 AM PDT by HAL9000

Excerpt -

GENEVA, Sept 10 (Reuters) - Scientists at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) started up a huge particle-smashing machine on Wednesday, aiming to re-enact the conditions of the "Big Bang" that created the universe.

Experiments in the Large Hadron Collider, a 10 billion Swiss franc ($9 billion) accelerator built underneath the Swiss-French border, could unlock the remaining secrets of particle physics and answer questions about the universe and its origins.


(Excerpt) Read more at alertnet.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: bigbang; blackhole; cern; collider; hadron; physics; switzerland

1 posted on 09/10/2008 12:40:45 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

It is the end of the world as we know it;P


2 posted on 09/10/2008 12:43:37 AM PDT by GeoPie
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To: HAL9000



3 posted on 09/10/2008 12:43:55 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: ari-freedom

Is this what heaven feels like? Or maybe the other place?


4 posted on 09/10/2008 12:45:01 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: HAL9000

I KNEW there was some reason that things were crazy here in the ER tonight!


5 posted on 09/10/2008 12:45:21 AM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: HAL9000
Large Paranoia Collider!

The Big Bang Theory

Best Case: The Large Hadron Colliders' ALICE experiment successfully creates quark-gluon plasma, a substance theorized to have existed just milliseconds after the Big Bang. By generating temperatures more than 100,000 times hotter than the sun, scientists hope to watch as this particle goo cools and expands into the particles that we know. That could help scientists answer why protons and neutrons weigh 100 times more than the quarks they're made of.

Worst Case: Scientists inadvertently make a micro black hole, and the earth is quickly erased from existence.

yitbos

6 posted on 09/10/2008 12:49:22 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: HAL9000

I don’t know if this is significant but my calendar now shows the year as 1982.

I’m typing this on a Commodore 64. Gotta go play Jupiter Lander now.


7 posted on 09/10/2008 12:51:51 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: bruinbirdman

How will we know if the worst case happens? Or will it all be over before we even sense anything?

I’m not ready for the world to end today, thank you very much.


8 posted on 09/10/2008 12:53:21 AM PDT by Enchante ("Troopergate" = Obama Democrats Working Hard to Smear Governor Palin in a Non-Scandal)
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To: Enchante
"How will we know if the worst case happens? Or will it all be over before we even sense anything?"

Think of where you will be in the twinkle of an eye.

yitbos

9 posted on 09/10/2008 12:57:14 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: HAL9000

I don’t feel so good. ..........

:-)


10 posted on 09/10/2008 12:57:42 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bruinbirdman

But the good news is that there apparently is a maximum size to a black hole......


11 posted on 09/10/2008 12:58:16 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HAL9000
I can't understand why they went through the expense and trouble to build this machine. All one has to do is look at the imploding Obama campaign to know the nature of matter inside a black hole.
12 posted on 09/10/2008 12:58:33 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: bruinbirdman

Then again, we made it through Y2K.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 12:59:19 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ari-freedom
Best Case: Scientists detect certain types of supersymmetric particles, aka sparticles, which physicist Michio Kaku calls, "signals from the 11th dimension." This would show that string theorists have been on the right path and that the universe really is made up of the four dimensions we experience and then seven others that unite the forces of nature.

Worst Case: String theory's basic assumptions are violated. The LHC will be the first particle accelerator capable of allowing scientists to study W bosons, the elementary particle responsible for the weak force. If they don't scatter in certain ways, it'll be back to the drawing board for a generation of string theorists, or as one physicist told New Scientist, "If we see these violations, people will start working very feverishly on some sort of alternative that will produce these violations."

14 posted on 09/10/2008 1:01:14 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman; CharlesWayneCT

Hmmmm. We seem to still be here. Take that, ignorant luddites!

Oh, wait. I see a strange purplish light in the northeast. It goes right through my eyelids and has red fringes. Too bright....the floor is starting to rumble under my feet.

Could we have been wrong abou


15 posted on 09/10/2008 1:06:08 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Enchante
Or will it all be over before we even sense anything?

The CERN LHC isn't considered to be nearly large or powerful enough to create a micro black hole. If one did manage to get created, it would almost certainly disintegrate immediately. If a micro black hole somehow defied these odds, it's effect on the earth would take a relatively long time to become noticeable - long enough for all of us to realize what was happening.

But it's worth noting that particle collisions equal in power to what the LHC will achieve happen in our atmosphere regularly due to cosmic ray activity - and we're all still here.
16 posted on 09/10/2008 1:06:10 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: bruinbirdman

Worst Case: String theory’s basic assumptions are violated.

but hey, that’s progress!


17 posted on 09/10/2008 1:06:20 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: jonrick46

18 posted on 09/10/2008 1:07:15 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Atomic Conspiracy. Member since Nov 29, 2002.
FR will never be the same.


19 posted on 09/10/2008 1:09:15 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: jonrick46

20 posted on 09/10/2008 1:13:29 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: ari-freedom

False alarm.
That was just my neighbor’s stupid kid coming in from a party with his stereo blaring and those weird blue lights on his truck.


21 posted on 09/10/2008 1:14:42 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

glad that you’re back OK :)


22 posted on 09/10/2008 1:15:35 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: HAL9000
I'm kissing Sandra Oh now.

23 posted on 09/10/2008 1:22:18 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: All
LIVE:

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/special/webbtv/wmlive/wmp6.html

24 posted on 09/10/2008 1:30:27 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: HAL9000

Black holes are odd things, I know since I have one in my garage. Sometimes it will suck a 1/2 or 9/16 inch wrench out of my tool box and leave all the others. At other times it will suck all the gas out of the spare gas can. Over the week end it got the can too.
Most amazing of all a black hole swallowed up my lawnmower only to have it reappear in my brother-in-law’s backyard. He said he had no idea how it got there so the only explanation is a black hole transporting it or possibly a black 95 f150.
There are different kinds of black holes too. One variety only works during the night on my bottle of Jack Daniels.
I went to sleep with it almost full and in the morning the bottle is half gone. I guess having that black hole so close to me causes the headaches too.
But truly the most astounding event was when the wife got caught in a black hole and came out the other side in Florida at her mother’s house two weeks later. She suffered from some sort of time shift because she said it only seemed like a few minutes of being away. And, and she even looked younger like she went back in time.
Those black holes are something to be feared alright.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 1:31:06 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: atomic conspiracy
"We seem to still be here. "

So now we find out this is only a test.

Later, after some stuff goes 99.99999% of the speed of light in one direction. They will move some stuff in the other.

Then later (after the election?) they are going to cause the stuff going in different directions to collide.

yitbos

26 posted on 09/10/2008 1:31:35 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: F15Eagle

That’s funny....I wound up a little later in 1985, but this temporal connection to the Internets via my Timex Sinclair seems to be OK. A few things though....maybe my memory is fuzzy :

1> Who’s this President Mondale I keep hearing about on the radio?

2> Have the Cubs really won 25 World Series since 1908?

3> When were we admitted to the USSR?

I guess I am not remembering history very well.


27 posted on 09/10/2008 1:41:48 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: HAL9000
The bad news is that the universe was completely destroyed this morning. The good news is that it was replaced by a perfect copy, and because of the indistinguishability of particles, nobody is any the wiser.
28 posted on 09/10/2008 1:48:37 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Don't Tase me, Pa!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Does that mean Rosie O’Donnell will be spared?


29 posted on 09/10/2008 1:50:29 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
long enough for all of us to realize what was happening

Glad to hear it. There will be plenty of time for each of us to get in our spacecraft and move to another solar system.

30 posted on 09/10/2008 1:57:09 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Correct. Oprah can attest to that. Her audience has begun to shrink.


31 posted on 09/10/2008 2:18:06 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Oh...you meant black hole, no black ho’. oops.


32 posted on 09/10/2008 2:19:09 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

[But it’s worth noting that particle collisions equal in power to what the LHC will achieve happen in our atmosphere regularly due to cosmic ray activity - and we’re all still here. ]

Or are we??????????


33 posted on 09/10/2008 2:21:16 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FredZarguna

Is this a “Back to the Future” moment, or could “Men In Black” be for real?

I don’t relish the idea of being inside a subway locker in Central Park, but a universe on ‘Orion’s Belt’ is a bit claustaphobic for me.


34 posted on 09/10/2008 2:33:14 AM PDT by Wynotoo
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To: HAL9000

Hello, Hello.........Hello. Is anybody out there?


35 posted on 09/10/2008 2:50:04 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Aussiebabe

I’ve fallen into a black hole and I can’t get out!


36 posted on 09/10/2008 3:27:20 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"But the good news is that there apparently is a maximum size to a black hole......"

Yes. As I understand it, only Socialist Europe will be affected.

37 posted on 09/10/2008 3:35:12 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: HAL9000

Maybe it will just take out Europe.


38 posted on 09/10/2008 3:42:04 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Vote McWhatshisname and PALIN)
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To: HAL9000
"Hey! Any of you guys see Max?"


39 posted on 09/10/2008 3:43:40 AM PDT by LRS (NO DRILLING; NO PEACE!)
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To: LRS

Same dude?

The world’s most interesting man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNYHoI47fw0&feature=related


40 posted on 09/10/2008 5:00:50 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wolfcreek

LOL. On the other side of the black hole, anything is possible...


41 posted on 09/10/2008 5:21:47 AM PDT by LRS (NO DRILLING; NO PEACE!)
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To: FredZarguna

“Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe?” or am I confusing titles?


42 posted on 09/10/2008 7:59:26 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
It's actually a speculative metaphysical interpretation of the Feynman path integral formulation of quantum mechanics. Some people call this the "many worlds" interpretation. In view of the fact that to do path integration over all the state vectors you'd need an uncountably infinite number of worlds, "many" is probably the understatement of all time.

It's been going around in various guises since the late 1940's. I don't know if it inspired Douglas Adams or not -- and I didn't have him in mind when I posted -- although I enjoyed his stuff.

43 posted on 09/10/2008 10:23:11 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Don't Tase me, Pa!)
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To: HAL9000

Ok, who divided by zero?


44 posted on 09/10/2008 10:28:02 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Enchante
I’m not ready for the world to end today, thank you very much.

The fact that the world didn't end, means that the Cubs will not win the World Series.

45 posted on 09/10/2008 10:30:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: HAL9000
Oh, piffle. These speculations about "disruptions to the space-time continuum" are just Chicken Little nonsense.

Even President Gore says so.

46 posted on 09/10/2008 3:09:08 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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