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The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for ("Who Cares?" Alert)
UK Guardian ^ | September 10, 2008 | Jonathan Freedland

Posted on 09/10/2008 6:12:34 AM PDT by seanrobins

The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."

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Look at yesterday's opinion polls, which have John McCain either in a dead heat with Obama or narrowly ahead. Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't - this suggests Obama is now trailing badly. More troubling was the ABC News-Washington Post survey which found McCain ahead among white women by 53% to 41%. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 15% lead among women.

There is only one explanation for that turnaround, and it was not McCain's tranquilliser of a convention speech: Obama's lead has been crushed by the Palin bounce.

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Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it

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Freedland, like so many others in the "Internationalist" crowd, just does not get America. We should be like them, and we should care what they think.

I sent him the following e-mail, to which I doubt he will respond, but here it is:

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Geez, I don't even know where to begin, with a fool like yourself.

Why is it that "Internationalist" One-World commies like yourself have this incredibly silly belief that Americans give a rat's ass what the world thinks? Because a brother commie like O'bambi (or John Kerry in 2004), neither of whom I'd consider patriots, believe that "America's reputation in the world needs to be repaired"? You continue to believe them, and to believe that Americans care what you and other internationalist twits think.

If you were here (in the greatest nation on God's green earth), I would tell you: "America, love it or leave it." Since you're not, I'll simply say: "Piss off"

You in the UK, and across the European Crapola Union can keep on digging your political and social graves by making yourselves more and more dependant upon a bunch of bureaucrats to tell you all what to do, when and how to do it, what to think and eat and buy and sell, and how to live your lives. And you can continue to see what freedom you still have dwindle down, further and further until you are part of a big glomp commie union, with no culture of your own, and no identities of your own, and no voice of your own.

As for us Yanks, we'll keep our freedom, and our identity, and our greatness as the strongest and the best nation the world has ever known; and yes, we'll even continue (although I sometimes question why), to pull your British (and european) asses out of the fires that will be consuming you all as you are overtaken by Putin and radical islamist extremists. But we'll continue to live our lives as WE see fit, not as you see fit.

And if that means that we don't have your "respect," then that will be one of the smaller prices that we have had to pay for freedom.

sr

1 posted on 09/10/2008 6:12:34 AM PDT by seanrobins
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To: seanrobins

Well boo frickin hoo


2 posted on 09/10/2008 6:14:01 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: seanrobins
. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."

You got THAT right!!!

3 posted on 09/10/2008 6:14:21 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: seanrobins

To quote an old biker:

“FTW!”


4 posted on 09/10/2008 6:15:05 AM PDT by Califreak (Rome is burning and nobody cares)
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To: seanrobins

>>>But what does that say about today’s America, that the world’s esteem is now unwanted?

Its not so much that the “world’s esteem” is not wanted. . . frankly, I could take it or leave it. The problem is, the price that the “world” expects for this “esteem” is simply too high. Americans will not trade what makes them and this nation great for a little bit of not-so-useful “esteem”.

(Conversely, those who are truly our friends and allies, will provide us with all the “esteem” that we need, even if we don’t cow-tow to the internationists.)


5 posted on 09/10/2008 6:15:17 AM PDT by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins

From the UK: you don’t need me to tell you that what the rest of the world thinks is neither here nor there. The Guardian is a liberal lefty paper with ‘one world politics of hope’. ‘nuff said.


6 posted on 09/10/2008 6:15:41 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: seanrobins

I agree, boo hoo....


7 posted on 09/10/2008 6:15:51 AM PDT by Mere
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To: seanrobins
If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it

We've been telling you weaklings to kiss off for years. You can't muster the will or the strength to confront the islamist threat at your throats in your own country's and you expect the USA to care what you think? Western Europe is history.

8 posted on 09/10/2008 6:15:54 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: seanrobins

Tough. Get over it!


9 posted on 09/10/2008 6:16:05 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: seanrobins

I would just ask the writer of this article one question. When has America ever cared what the rest of the world thinks? The whole reason that all of our ancestors came to this country way back when was because they did not want to have anything to do with “Old Europe”.


10 posted on 09/10/2008 6:16:16 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: seanrobins

Hey “World”

BITE ME

Cheers, Uncle Sam


11 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:15 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: seanrobins

Bye, haters.


12 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:16 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: seanrobins

If the world becomes U.S. citizens, pays taxes, and works here, then maybe they can have an opinion on our Presidential race.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:20 AM PDT by madison10 (Pray for McCains, Palins and the USA...and the rest of us, too.)
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To: seanrobins

That’s ok, Mr. Freedland. I will plead “necessity” and “self-defense.”


14 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: seanrobins
U.S.A. to Jonathan Freedland:

MYOB!


15 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:54 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: seanrobins
SILENCE!...

euroweenies.

You'll find your tiny brains will hurt less if you try not to speak.

16 posted on 09/10/2008 6:18:01 AM PDT by DocH (A tactical NUKE (Sarah Palin) has been dropped on Osama Hussein Obama)
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To: seanrobins
Beware of dog.


17 posted on 09/10/2008 6:18:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: seanrobins
Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves.

Britain, Germany, and France have all elected friends of America to lead their countries since George W. Bush was inaugurated in January 2001. President Bush, despite a loud annoying minority of leftists who hate him (both here and in Europe), has done pretty well by Europe. And I'm certain that John McCain will do at least as well.
18 posted on 09/10/2008 6:18:26 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: seanrobins

They really should buy a full page add in the major USA newspapers. Nothing like a threat from pants wetting Europeans to rile up the voting base.


19 posted on 09/10/2008 6:18:43 AM PDT by listenhillary (Palin accomplished more in the PTA than Obama did as a community organizer)
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To: seanrobins
These liberal British boobs don't get it. Americans stay out of British elections, they should stay out of ours, but they are so arrogant and think they no best, they can't shut up.

The Guardian did this 4 years ago when they did a letter camapign to Clark County Ohio voters.

20 posted on 09/10/2008 6:19:24 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: seanrobins

What message would that be?

Call yer own damn military up when the Russian tanks roll back into Poland?

Let Europe sort it out the next time India and Pakistan play nuclear chicken?

I have a message for the Guardianistas- each American military gravestone in Europe- was an answer to their last big message. And their rebuilt economy and that of Japan? Yep, that too. And the nonexistent bloodstained Berlin Wall? Yep, that too.


21 posted on 09/10/2008 6:20:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: seanrobins

The Guardian?

Pravda West, the ‘guardian’ of the marxist agenda.


22 posted on 09/10/2008 6:20:26 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: vimto

The Guardian - Pravda with a posh accent.


23 posted on 09/10/2008 6:21:00 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: seanrobins

Well...may I sugggest the world send UN troops to the US right now................


24 posted on 09/10/2008 6:21:11 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: seanrobins

Fortunately, foreign dictators, crooks, and tyrannists do not pick the US President. Nevertheless, many US citizens are fully aware that the muslim world with money flowing from the middle east is attempting to buy obama the presidency.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 6:22:44 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: seanrobins

When Russia invades Europe, let the “internationalists” defend Europe.

Us knuckle dragging, gun toting, bible thumping Yanks will sit on the sidelines and watch the carnage.


26 posted on 09/10/2008 6:23:19 AM PDT by tips up
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To: seanrobins

Yeah, that’s right... American elections are all about making the world like us. They’re not about what’s best for our country. Uh-huh. Makes perfect sense.


27 posted on 09/10/2008 6:24:32 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: DallasBiff
Liberal British Boob Jonathan Freedland
28 posted on 09/10/2008 6:24:39 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: seanrobins

The world is full of thugs, like a dark alley.

Approval is not something that I look to receive from them.


29 posted on 09/10/2008 6:24:43 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: seanrobins

The world is wrong. That is why the US has been, and still can be the leader. A leader leads, and does what is right. If a leader sacrifices doing the right thing to please the masses, that’s no longer leading, that’s Clintonism.


30 posted on 09/10/2008 6:25:15 AM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: Army Air Corps

It is also known over here as ‘the Grundiard - the famous misprit’ because of all the proofing errors it contains:^)

Coined by the late great Spike Milligan (who they called Spike Milligna)


31 posted on 09/10/2008 6:25:55 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: seanrobins
As I've said before, if B Hussein Obama wants to be President of the World he should run for that office. As it is, he's running for President of the United States and I could give a rat's rear that the rest of the world wants him to be president. If they love him so much let them bring him over and he can run in the UK or Germany or Kenya... he probably has more loyalty to them than American citizens anyway.
32 posted on 09/10/2008 6:31:16 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: seanrobins

I love the Brits, but their politics suck. Perhaps the British press should be more concerned about the rising muslim population within their own borders than the politics in “the colonies”.


33 posted on 09/10/2008 6:31:17 AM PDT by SPI-Man (USA! USA! USA!)
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To: seanrobins
But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted?

Well, basically it says that the world's esteem is now unwanted.

If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

What arrogance...America might reject the candidate chosen by countries that continually insult Americans? We do slap you with the glove, sir.

34 posted on 09/10/2008 6:31:55 AM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: vimto
I saw it once as the "Grauniad". Same difference.

So "Grundiard" was Spike Milligan's coinage? (That guy was a comic genius.)

35 posted on 09/10/2008 6:32:57 AM PDT by thulldud (All your rumor are mong to us.)
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To: seanrobins

The reality would be real harsh if we ever got a government that cut off aid to these whining, communist, parasites and limited it to governments that support us. They could then have the whine without the cheese.


36 posted on 09/10/2008 6:33:32 AM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: DallasBiff

I’m kind of hoping they’re stupid enough to do the same thing again with this election. The hopeless naivete of the average Guardian reader in trying to appeal to the sensibility of the average American wonder worked wonders for the Bush Campaign in Clark County.
McCain is a lot more interested in Anglo-American relations than Obama, although his support for a stronger more integrated EU is a bit worrying, but I don’t think that would make any real difference to the outcome of that particular battle....


37 posted on 09/10/2008 6:33:33 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: vimto
It is also known over here as ‘the Grundiard - the famous misprit’ because of all the proofing errors it contains:^)

Their editorial control must be awful. I guess that communists consider spelling words correctly and editing one's work to be bourgeois. :-) I admit that I have read bits of it from time to time and found the writing to be pedantic.
38 posted on 09/10/2008 6:33:40 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: seanrobins

Reminds me of the global Op-Ed threats made to Israel in the 1990s should they dare elect Bibi Netanyahu over Shimon Peres. Of course, they did.


39 posted on 09/10/2008 6:34:02 AM PDT by beagleone (McCain: He had me at "Hanoi.")
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To: thulldud

It could be, that term was coined by ‘Private Eye’ and Milligan was a long time contributor to Private Eye in it’s earlier years....


40 posted on 09/10/2008 6:34:40 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: seanrobins

The writer must be a bitter Cornwallis descendant.


41 posted on 09/10/2008 6:35:54 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: seanrobins

The Brits would be speaking German or Russian now if it weren’t for men that WEREN’T like Kerry and 0bama.


42 posted on 09/10/2008 6:36:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Dinah Lord
I don't think we're going to see anybody lining up at optometrists for "Freedland glasses"!

We'll get a twofer on November 5th, watching both DemonRat and Euroweenie heads explode!

43 posted on 09/10/2008 6:36:12 AM PDT by hunter112 (Gov. Palin is ten times the woman Hillary could've hoped to be, if she had stayed a "Goldwater Girl")
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To: seanrobins
Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again...

Who has those pics of the crying Kerry supporters? How predictive could they be?

44 posted on 09/10/2008 6:36:59 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: seanrobins
Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities

Polling in Russia? Like Prager always says, "the world doesn't hate America, the left does".

45 posted on 09/10/2008 6:38:32 AM PDT by throwback
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To: yldstrk

Do NOT believe the nonsense that world esteem belongs only to Obama. Only left wing Euro establishment esteem belongs to Obama.

The rest of the world respects and wants a STRONG, FREE America.


46 posted on 09/10/2008 6:38:42 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: seanrobins

They like American money and American handouts. They don’t like the freedoms that Americans have.


47 posted on 09/10/2008 6:40:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Hat-Trick
The writer must be a bitter Cornwallis descendant.

My wager is that he is simply a silly prat.
48 posted on 09/10/2008 6:40:31 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: thulldud

Yes I think you are right. That’s the spelling.

It was Spike ‘I hate Portsmouth’ Milligan who always signed himself ‘Milligna’ there-after in his (much missed)regular letters to the Private Eye.


49 posted on 09/10/2008 6:40:59 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: seanrobins

America is great for suprising the world and come November 4th, 2008, America will suprise the world once again when the veteran Sen.McCain/Gov.Palin get elected.


50 posted on 09/10/2008 6:41:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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