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Outrage:"The Big Red One" as a FASHION STATEMENT???
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171143 ^ | 9/10/08 | breitbart tv

Posted on 09/10/2008 12:45:45 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee

Amazing...Check this out on breitbart TV. My apologies in advance if this is already in circulation here. Sears apparently has a deal in the works to launch a line of clothing with the "Big Red One" patch on it. Amazingly stupid,not to mention a slap in the face to all who served with that patch on their uniform. Here's the link..... http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171143


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1 posted on 09/10/2008 12:45:45 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee
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To: gimme1ibertee

This may be a misunderstanding among some vets...Sears is one of the very few stores that guarantees those veterans who worked at Sears that their jobs would be there for them when they returned from their military duties. Also, Sears is one of the few corporations who actually donated a portion of their sales to military charities.....


2 posted on 09/10/2008 12:51:51 PM PDT by auto power
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To: gimme1ibertee

Guess it is just me, I don’t see anything offensive about it.


3 posted on 09/10/2008 12:53:28 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: gimme1ibertee

I’m not against generic “army” gear or “navy” gear. But selling unit patches, IMO, is a no-no.


4 posted on 09/10/2008 12:55:29 PM PDT by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Speaking as one who has never served in the military, I am appalled that anyone would who has not served would ever have the temerity to wear any kind of US military insignia.

It strikes me as not only phony, but downright disrespectful of our brave service people and the sacrifices they have made. The way I see it, if you didn’t have the stones to serve, how do you develop the stones to wear something that gives people the impression that you did?

It’s like lying on your resume, and IMHO not only shows utter disregard for those who have served our beloved nation in uniform, but also demonstrates a total lack of class.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 12:57:51 PM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: gimme1ibertee
As someone pointed out yesterday, this is an improvement over the Che Guevara chic we've been seeing for 30 years.

No problem here.

6 posted on 09/10/2008 1:00:52 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: gimme1ibertee
Grrrr. Somebody needs to tell that gal that it's the Big, Red, One.
Not the Big, red one.


7 posted on 09/10/2008 1:03:38 PM PDT by stentorian conservative
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To: gimme1ibertee

The US Army has agreed to this. Shame on the Army!


8 posted on 09/10/2008 1:05:34 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: gimme1ibertee
I don't know...I served in the BRO for three years and don't find this objectionable...maybe if a brief unit history is sold with the clothing, it could encourage a little support for our soldiers, and maybe even be a little recruiting perk.

As far as the army is concerned, unit patches aren't exactly "won"...they're worn for identification on the left sleeve during one's period of assignment to that unit. When you're reassigned, you change to the patch of your new unit. If you serve in combat with a unit, you wear that patch on your right sleeve for the remainder of your career, and in that regard, I suppose it's "won" or earned.

As far as unit patches being used to market clothes, I'd kind of see it like a pro football player would see some kid wearing his team's jersey.

What I object to are the actual badges, tabs, patches, ribbons, medals, and distinctive uniform items (i.e. berets) that are earned.

BRO 1992-1995

9 posted on 09/10/2008 1:05:58 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: gimme1ibertee

In the article it says that Sears is paying a licensing fee for the Big Red One to the army to help pay for “support programs that benefit troops and their families”


10 posted on 09/10/2008 1:12:16 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: gimme1ibertee; xzins; jude24; Larry Lucido

I wear a Big Red One patch on my right sleeve. (Desert Storm)

My late father wore one on his. (Korea)

This torques me off.


11 posted on 09/10/2008 1:13:14 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: gimme1ibertee

As the son of a WWII Big Red One infantryman, this is outrageous. What the hell was the Army thinking? Let’s hope this is stopped, and people are held accountable.


12 posted on 09/10/2008 1:16:14 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: gimme1ibertee
Yeah, who ever heard of clothing with Army units mentioned on it? Insane...
13 posted on 09/10/2008 1:16:41 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (How 'bout a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear...Ta-dah!)
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To: Domandred

You may be the only one that read it ;^)

bump!


14 posted on 09/10/2008 1:23:25 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: gimme1ibertee

It could be the patch used for 0bama’s youth corp uniforms.


15 posted on 09/10/2008 1:25:16 PM PDT by skooldayz
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To: Future Snake Eater

Right. They sell the patches online and in the surplus shops. Anybody could do it. I don’t have a problem with it.


16 posted on 09/10/2008 1:25:34 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: Maceman
I am appalled that anyone would who has not served would ever have the temerity to wear any kind of US military insignia.

I'll almost completely agree with you. The only exception would be the wives (sorry, no, not "girlfriends") and kids of men serving and kids - I'm talkin' young kids here - that want to join the Army when they're old enough.

17 posted on 09/10/2008 1:25:49 PM PDT by CE2949BB (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Maceman
It’s like lying on your resume, and IMHO not only shows utter disregard for those who have served our beloved nation in uniform, but also demonstrates a total lack of class.

People don't generally wear logos or symbols of things they despise or don't respect. People are going to wear these logos because they believe the unit it represents is a good thing.

What's classless about wearing a logo or symbol of something you're not actually a member of? I have t-shirts from colleges I didn't attend, and no one thinks I'm trying to pretend I went to Duke or West Point.

18 posted on 09/10/2008 1:26:08 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade
People don't generally wear logos or symbols of things they despise or don't respect.

I'm just guessing you weren't around during the 60's.

19 posted on 09/10/2008 1:31:01 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Sorry, I disagree with the outrage.

Is it wrong to wear an “USS New Jersey” baseball cap if you’re from New Jersey and think battleships are cool?


20 posted on 09/10/2008 1:31:23 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Citizen Blade
People don't generally wear logos or symbols of things they despise or don't respect. People are going to wear these logos because they believe the unit it represents is a good thing.

A few weeks ago, when I was looking for a new hat (I'm not a baseball cap type). I happened into an army-navy store that had all kinds of military-type clothing. I found a hat with a US Marine logo on it, which I really liked. But I thought about how I would feel wearing it and running into an actual Marine. I would feel like a penny waiting for change.

I guess it's too much like the "All hat and no cattle" thing -- "all hat and no glory."

It just didn't sit right with me, so I didn't buy it.

22 posted on 09/10/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: Domandred

Sears really does not have to pay the Army anything for using the patch since legally the U.S. government CANNOT copyright, trademark, or receive royalites for anything ever produced or generated using public funds, including historic military unit insignia and logos.


23 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:01 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
As far as unit patches being used to market clothes, I'd kind of see it like a pro football player would see some kid wearing his team's jersey.

Exactly. I have a Carolina Panthers tire cover on my Jeep anda Panthers ballcap (and a Panthers jersey, keychain, T-shirt, etc LOL)but I've never played for the Panthers. I'm merely showing my support for that team. It's no different with someone wearing a unit patch logo shirt.

It'd be different if Sears was marketing something that could be mistaken for a uniform, or, like you said, the actual tabs, patches, medals, etc. I don't mind seeing someone wear a shirt with the jump wing logo on it to show they support the Airborne, but I would certainly have a problem with them wearing actual jump wings.

24 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:39 PM PDT by Terabitten (Proud Hokie, bitterly clinging to his guns and religion...)
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To: bigbob

Won’t happen...see my post #23.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 1:38:32 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Sorry folks - I just don’t get it. I’m a BIG FAN of the Army (and all the other branches as well) and I’d be happy as a clam to wear unit patches on my clothing. How am I different from a NY Giants fan? I’m not pretending to be a Marine or Airman, I’m celebrating their existence.


26 posted on 09/10/2008 1:39:11 PM PDT by omaoilaodha
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To: Gamecock

I wear a Big Red One patch on my right sleeve from my year in Iraq. There is nothing on my uniform of which I am more proud. I think it would be very cool to be able to see and wear the insignia on clothing. The First Infantry Division has a great history. Anything that celebrates and calls to mind that history is a good thing.


27 posted on 09/10/2008 1:39:12 PM PDT by CHIEF K
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To: jjm2111

“But selling unit patches, IMO, is a no-no.”

Unclassified, tax-payer funded, public property. No foul.

As long as one isn’t trying to misrepresent ones self.


28 posted on 09/10/2008 1:44:44 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for your service.

Years ago when I joined ROTC at college (mainly because it offered some better classes for some things) they passed out uniforms. Shortly after I got it I wore the shirt with the various patches, etc. on it with jeans to some other class ‘cuz it “looked cool”.

One of the ROTC officer’s came over to me and told me to turn around and go change. You either wear the entire uniform or not at all. (Something tells me he didn’t really care if I was late for my class!)

Not sure that would be the same as a patch on your sleeve though, but I imagine if you were active duty that would be a no -no.

I like the earlier post about running up against a REAL Marine (or member of a unit) and feeling like a penny waiting for change!


29 posted on 09/10/2008 1:48:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

This has the smell of people who WILL show us all how much they support the troops NO MATTER WHAT, YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!

Much ado about nothing, but some people just have to have something to grasp onto, I guess...


30 posted on 09/10/2008 1:49:26 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (How 'bout a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear...Ta-dah!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

This should appeal to dems, they love pretending they were in the military.


31 posted on 09/10/2008 1:49:47 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: gimme1ibertee

Why are they leaving “Patton’s Own” out?


32 posted on 09/10/2008 1:53:16 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: 21twelve
Years ago when I joined ROTC at college (mainly because it offered some better classes for some things) they passed out uniforms. Shortly after I got it I wore the shirt with the various patches, etc. on it with jeans to some other class ‘cuz it “looked cool”.

I doubt whatever they end up making here would be mistaken for an actual uniform. We're probably talking about t-shirts, tank-tops and baseball caps, maybe some backpacks.

I think this is good for the integration of the military into our greater society- with so few people in the military as a proportion of our society, there is the fear that the military could become seen as something separate from greater American society. Selling clothes like this could well serve to mainstream military symbols and get civilians thinking more about the military and its history.

33 posted on 09/10/2008 1:59:10 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: razorback-bert
***Why are they leaving “Patton’s Own” out?***

Why are they inactivated.

Coolest wear of a unit patch in the Army, IMHO.
(For those of you who don't know, that patch was worn over the left breast pocket on the BDU. Very cool)


34 posted on 09/10/2008 2:00:28 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Terabitten
"I have a Carolina Panthers tire cover on my Jeep anda Panthers ballcap (and a Panthers jersey, keychain, T-shirt, etc LOL)but I've never played for the Panthers. I'm merely showing my support for that team. It's no different with someone wearing a unit patch logo shirt."

Yep...You're not misrepresenting yourself as a Panthers, and I don't think anyone would argue that you had to "earn" the right to wear a Panther's Jersey.

Now on the other hand, If you were to show up somewhere wearing a superbowl ring that has to be earned, well that would be entirely different...



...nobody would mistake you for a Panther for sure!! ;-)

35 posted on 09/10/2008 2:14:28 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: skooldayz
"It could be the patch used for 0bama’s youth corp uniforms."

That's the "Big Pink Zero."

36 posted on 09/10/2008 2:24:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jjm2111

Agreed.


37 posted on 09/10/2008 2:55:03 PM PDT by GVnana ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery.")
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To: gimme1ibertee

No mission too difficult. No sacrifice too great. Duty First!


38 posted on 09/10/2008 3:09:10 PM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Maceman

Same here. A while ago, I was looking thru a Catalog and saw a Vietnam Era Jacket{ the ones with a slash pockets}. They looked really cool, but I didnt buy it because I would have felt funny wearing it.
When you wear something like that and didnt earn it, it cheapens it.


39 posted on 09/10/2008 4:08:26 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (Running isnt a plan:Running is what you do when a plan fails.)
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To: Yorlik803
I arrived at Ft. Riley in April l967. I will never forget what it was like driving up on the Hill where they all left from. It was like a ghost town, but the awesome overwhelming feeling of pride and solemness that took place in me I will never forget. To make light of that I would not like to see.
40 posted on 09/10/2008 4:33:49 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Maceman

My kid wants to join, but until he does, and survives boot camp, he won’t be wearing the hat, or the insignia. This is one of those times when you don’t want to sell what is so important. We all got disgusted with Obamination’s “seal” on the podium, didn’t we?


41 posted on 09/10/2008 4:43:27 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Gamecock
My late father wore one on his. (Korea)

When the First ID in Korea? The First Cav was, but First ID was in Germany until 1955.

42 posted on 09/10/2008 5:16:28 PM PDT by CDB (An American Palin Guy - Big Time)
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To: Gamecock
Coolest wear of a unit patch in the Army, IMHO. (For those of you who don't know, that patch was worn over the left breast pocket on the BDU. Very cool)

From the very inception of that unit patch, it was worn so. This was by the desire of Mrs Patton, who actually designed a uniform for tankers, back in the day. The uniform was not adopted, but the placement of the unit insignia for the 2d Armored Division was, and so remains to this day...

the infowarrior

43 posted on 09/10/2008 6:39:03 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: Gamecock
Coolest wear of a unit patch in the Army, IMHO. (For those of you who don't know, that patch was worn over the left breast pocket on the BDU. Very cool)

From the very inception of that unit patch, it was worn so. This was by the desire of Mrs Patton, who actually designed a uniform for tankers, back in the day. The uniform was not adopted, but the placement of the unit insignia for the 2d Armored Division was, and so remains to this day...

the infowarrior

44 posted on 09/10/2008 6:52:27 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: auto power

When I was in military school in 1964, cadet NCOs were still wearing WWII style corporal’s and sergeant’s chevrons.

We got a new commandant, General Smoller (Yes, he was a real general), and when he saw those chevrons he went ballistic.

Something about heroism, sacrifice, brotherhood, and death on the battlefield. You know, those things the libtards hold in such contempt.

By sundown, there wasn’t a set of those chevrons to be seen.

Ennyhoo, that’s how I was brought up. Kids would bring their father’s military insignia and patches to show and tell, but they wouldn’t pin them on. I would sooner nail Mr. Happy to a burning stump than don an insignia or award to which I was not entitled.

This Sears crap is gonna torque my jaw down hard.


45 posted on 09/10/2008 8:10:38 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
I would sooner nail Mr. Happy to a burning stump than don an insignia or award to which I was not entitled.

I agree - but did you watch the video and see what they're talking about?

They're not selling uniform parts, or patches. They're selling the kind of unit insignia t-shirt you can buy in the PX.

This isn't exactly it, but it's similar to the one shown in the video.


46 posted on 09/10/2008 8:50:48 PM PDT by LouD
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To: OKSooner

LOL

I wear a USMC seatshirt

FOlks ask if I’m a Marine - I tell them no, I’m retired USAF — my son is a Marine, I just support the team....


47 posted on 09/10/2008 8:56:35 PM PDT by ASOC (Have a nice day, just don't have it around me (bumper sticker))
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To: CDB

DOOH!

WWII

That’s what I get for posting so late at night.


48 posted on 09/10/2008 9:40:29 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: LouD

“This isn’t exactly it, but it’s similar to the one shown in the video.”

I guess something like that might be okay, since it’s clearly not the real McCoy, but I’m still uncomfortable.

The illustration I saw earlier looked like a regulation shoulder insignia.


49 posted on 09/10/2008 11:07:20 PM PDT by dsc
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To: gimme1ibertee

I think the use of a logo, on a t-shirt for example, is great. No one would think this is a case of “stolen valor”.

I would be against the use of the patch on military style clothing though.


50 posted on 09/10/2008 11:26:34 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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