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Posted on 09/11/2008 4:26:49 AM PDT by marktwain
A North Sacramento man shot and killed an armed intruder early Tuesday as his pregnant wife and children awoke in terror from the attack. The man, whom police did not identify, told police that two men had tried to break into his home just after midnight in the 800 block of Carmelita Avenue off Rio Linda Boulevard.
The resident, who had no telephone, pleaded with neighbors to alert police after the shooting, neighbors said. A neighbor who provided refuge for the resident and his family after the attack recounted what the man told him. The resident heard scuffling and banging on his door, said Robert Jerome, the neighbor. Looking through a peephole, the resident saw a man holding a .22 caliber pump-action rifle, Jerome said. By the time the man got his shotgun, the intruders had partially opened the door, the resident told Jerome and police.
The resident fired once through the gap in the doorway, striking a 19-year-old Sacramento man, police said. The other suspect or suspects fled, but the 19-year-old, dropped the gun from his hand, staggered into the cul de sac before collapsing dead, the resident told the neighbor and police.
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That man saved his family’s life, and saved the taxpayers a lot of money trying to rehabilitate this “poor misguided youth”.
In Kalifornia there is no such thing as a justified shooting - unless you are a cop. That said they at least softened the statute that required you to flee your own home if it was being invaded. This guy will probably be charged pending investigation. They will discover his guns were not legally obtained and charge him with something like “illegal possession” slap him on the wrist etc. Cannot have citizens defending their families in their own residence. Might start a trend.
Kinetic energy on target, too.
Just curious what others think:
To be perfectly safe (legally), would this shooter have been better off waiting a few more seconds until the intruders were all the way in the front door?
I know that’s a risky thing to do from an operational point of view. But in today’s political climate, should we be thinking of the legalities if we are ever in this unfortunate position?
Again, I’m not criticizing what this man did. He acted valiantly. I’m just curious what others think about this.
In Kalifornia there is no such thing as a justified shooting - unless you are a cop.If that's true, why wasn't this shooter arrested? I hope you are exaggerating.
You should consult a lawyer, but in California, probably.
In Texas, no difference whether he’s inside or outside.
Plus it is less likely that errant shot will pass thru a wall and create “collateral damage”.
In southwest Atlanta yesterday a teenage boy was struck by a bullet that was fired from an apartment two floors above him.
Not at that range, unless you mean that the damage is much greater.
if these two [or more] dufuses wouldve been a little more determined, this guys family might be on a slab this AM...
Durn...shotgun vs .22 rifle in close quarters. Pretty bad odds for the perp with the .22.
How in he%% in today’s world does one not have a simple land line telephone?
“How in he%% in today’s world does one not have a simple land line telephone?”
You have to remember this happened in “Rio Linda”. :<)
Stand back kids; here’s how it’s done!
Kalifornia needs a revolution.
how about city tax, state sales tax, fcc fees, algores fee, long distance provider fee, 911 fee, school tax heheh,
maybe ??? he chose to buy milk for the kids with that 20-50 bucks a month...
you would prolly bitch and moan if the family signed up for the 'free fed phone assistance program'...which he no doubt probably do now...
then, after the bgs take a pair of side cutters to the line, will you say 'how in the hell in this day and age does somebody not have an unlimited cell account' ???...
Id rather say "Thank You Sir" for takin out the trash and pray that God delivers his family from the tyranny that may befall them from the very polidiots that breed this home invading scum...
/rant...
I actually know people who overlap our social circle who don’t have a landline telephone. They have cell phones, or VOIP on their Internet connection. What happens most of the time is that they leave the cell phone around the house, or let the battery go dead. Strangely enough, the only people I know like this are also heavily armed and only call LEOs and EMTs after the shooting has stopped.
The last mentality I will ever fully understand is that of a burglar or a drug addict.
I don’t. My husband and I exclusively use cell phones. (besides, I can’t get the dogs to answer the phone when we’re not home.) :)
I was taught at a very early age that I had to work to get what I wanted. The simple stuff.
Make your bed when you get out of it and you can ride your bike today. Want a TV in your room, earn it by cutting lawns and washing cars because one sure isn’t going to appear out of the air. That’s what taught me to read the classifieds for the used stuff. LOL
I wish I could explain it better, but the fact is that its not 'sin', it is physical,spritual and mental sickness...
another mail forthcoming...
Armed citizen ping...
Things have changed there. California is now, according to my own private, exclusive statistics, the third-highest armed citizen state. Its population has something to do with that, but still.
If you are referring to pattern spread: Not ... at ... close ... range.
Waiting in ambush? Premeditateidley (is that a word?) /s. Every one should learn the laws of their state on self defence, they vary wildly. Prosecutions vary by county as well. I'm sure some one will suggest a website if they haven't already. In life or death I'll choose my life and his death at 100 yards if I feel justifiably threatened.
In CA and liberal east coast states it's probably better from a legal point of view to wait until the perps are inside the house before firing on them, but it's still better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 even in those liberal hellholes.
Here in GA we have a Castle Doctrine law now that allows the use of deadly force to stop an intruder before he gets into your home if you have reason to believe that he intends to harm you or anyone in your house. And furthermore, he can't sue you if you injure him, nor can his family sue you if he dies. A very good law IMHO.
I live in Oakland, CA and every day I go to the Safeway, I see welfare mothers and families with children paying wiht food stamps. I do not fault them for feeding their children, but when did it become OK to have society pay for your irresponsible sex life?
Who pays for their HUD Section 8 voucher, who paid for the pre-natal care, the delivery, the ongoing healthcare of the baby and mom? Who pays for the mother’s SSI? Who pays for the baby’s daycare? Who pays for the mother’s tuition and books? Who pays for the baby’s schooling? Who pays for when he commits a crime and is in jail at 15?
You and me.
The odd part is that Government does not address this.
IF you are referring to the need for precise shot placement as opposed to using a pistol of any caliber, I think you are 100% correct as long as the hit you land with the shottie is still within 12 inches of the torso of the perp. What I'm trying to say here is that a poorly placed shot with a 12 ga is probably better than a marginal center of mass hit with any caliber handgun, as long as the shottie hits within 12 inches of the torso anywhere on the target. So a shotgun wound inside the upper thigh trumps a belly wound with a 45 ACP.... period.
The intruder was armed. The fact they forced the door open showed intent. That'd have been enough for me to resort to the same end.
Once a shot is fired, especially if not by one of the perps, the almost universal tendency is for the other perps to run. They are not in it to prove their skill with guns or their courage in the face of gunfire. They are there to grab some goodies and run. Even if they have come on a mission of murder, if the target gets off the first or even the second shot the perps will run. They are there to kill not to take a chance on being killed. Being shot at utterly changes the mental equation. He/they do not expect that or they would choose a different target.
Good point.
That was the old paradigm. The new paradigm is for thugs to volunteer for military service and then volunteer for combat duty. They'll behave themselves while in the military in order to get the all important training and more important on the job experience so they can return to the 'hood and teach it to their homies or worse form squads of combat experienced thugs to prey upon their victims. So far this has become a real issue in California and New Jersey IIRC. I've even seen some FR threads on the phenomena. You cap a round at a group like this and one or two will return fire to fix your position while the rest flank you and take you out. There was a shooting at a gas station in California about 18 months ago that reported this exact tactic when the police responded to the silent alarm of a robbery in progress. The first pair of responding officers was killed in exactly this manner.
It would appear that the rehabilitation process was a total success. That man is now 100% ready to assume his correct role in society.
You misunderstand. My ranking COMES from reported incidents of self-defense.
Did you correlate to how many were charged after using a gun in self defense?
No doubt there are a small number of groups with this mindset. There *always have been*, such as the Hell's Angels.
As far as I can discern, however, they remain a tiny minority of violent criminals. That doesn't mean that they are not incredibly dangerous,or that they should be ignored. It just means that the chance of encountering them is very, very, small, except in certain localities where the risk is likely well known.
The Hell's Angels have been around for how many decades? They attracted an element of rogue military types to start with. We shall have to wait and see if this pattern of behavior relating to the military becomes a trend involving a wider phenomenon of gang members who have no origins in the military volunteering for the specific purpose of just getting the combat experience under Uncle Sam's training dime. Once that trend takes hold it may spread beyond the gangs to individual criminals who just want to get better. One symptom of this is the training given by hardened cons in prison to younger more inexperienced guys. What they get in return for this schooling, I don't want to speculate on.
Just for the record, we do bare arms in california. I carry mine loaded with frangibles and in my direct control at all times, in my TAXI....yep you got it ..my taxicab...california law requires a cab driver be a self employed businessman. The state supreme court has ruled that a cab driver is a businessman and that his place of business extends to escorting customers to and from their door, including the act of going to the door to notify them of his arrival. And, further, that he may be carry the firearm loaded and concealed on his person while conducting his business...(see calif concealed weapons control, via calif penal code)..see a book entitled..”HOW TO OWN A GUN IN CALIFORNIA AND NOT GO TO JAIL”..if its still in print
remember....use shot...#4 or smaller at close range..not so much overpenitration or chance of hurting an innocent
Perhaps the no good sob that made the babies with her took off and abandoned this wellfare mom, leaving her with little other choice? Happens alot, everwhere in our nation. MEN just dont live up to their responsibilities. And, yes ...WE pay for it. Find the dads and nueter them, or squeeze their ***** till they pay up! Oh, yeah..one more thing...they dont use food stams anymore. They use WIC coupons (women in crisis), and an EBT (electronic balance transfer) cards, now. Peace to you all
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