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Palin's Book-banning Efforts, Redux (Unbelievable)
CBS ^ | 9/11/08 | Steve Wormtongue Benen

Posted on 09/11/2008 8:17:02 AM PDT by pissant

PALIN'S BOOK-BANNING EFFORTS, REDUX.... Here's what we know about Sarah Palin's interest in banning books. Time reported last week that Palin asked the Wasilla librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, about the process for banning library books. Baker was reportedly "aghast" at the question. Soon after taking office, Palin, according to a New York Times report, fired Baker, and news reports from the time indicate that Palin thought Baker hadn't done enough to give her "full support" to the mayor.

Palin reversed course on Baker's dismissal after a local outcry, and later said the discussions about banning books were "rhetorical."

Yesterday, ABC News' Brian Ross moved the ball forward a bit, with an interesting report.

Ross emphasized an angle I previously hadn't heard much about. Palin was elected mayor thanks in large part to the strong backing of her church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, which, right around the time Palin took office, "began to focus on certain books available in local stores and in the town library, including one called 'Go Ask Alice,' and another one written by a local pastor, Howard Bess, called 'Pastor, I am Gay.'"

Palin became mayor, her church was interested in censorship, and soon after, Palin asked a "rhetorical" question about how books might be excluded from the public library. When the librarian resisted, she was, at least initially, fired.

The line from the McCain campaign has been that Palin never had any interest whatsoever in banning library books. That seems increasingly difficult to believe.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: bannedbooks; cbslovesobama; clueless; demlies; lies; mccainpalin; palin; palinrecord; propagandawingofdnc; sarahnoia; wasilla
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Wow. CBS puts some idiots half baked theory out as news on the national wire? The Ghost of Dan Rather stalks this mickey mouse outfit.
1 posted on 09/11/2008 8:17:06 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

You mean she suggested that libraries pick and chose which books to include in their collections? Oh the humanity!!!!


2 posted on 09/11/2008 8:19:23 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Barack 0bama has "Jumped the Pig".)
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To: pissant

Fake, but Fake.

Typical CBS


3 posted on 09/11/2008 8:19:38 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: pissant
Wow. CBS puts some idiots half baked theory out as news on the national wire? The Ghost of Dan Rather stalks this mickey mouse outfit.

I thought it was ABC that was the ‘Mickey Mouse’ company

4 posted on 09/11/2008 8:20:04 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: pissant

“That seems increasingly difficult to believe”

I’m sorry has there been anything new on this lie since it was first reported.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 8:21:22 AM PDT by redk
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To: Jeff Chandler

6 posted on 09/11/2008 8:21:32 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: pissant
Palin reversed course on Baker's dismissal after a local outcry, and later said the discussions about banning books were "rhetorical."

Another lie. But they want it to be true, so they print it. It is fun to see the Left disintegrating.

7 posted on 09/11/2008 8:22:04 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: pissant

Is there any doubt who CBS wants in the White House?


8 posted on 09/11/2008 8:22:39 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: pissant
"began to focus on certain books available in local stores and in the town library, including one called 'Go Ask Alice,'

"Go Ask Alice" was a website aimed at kids with discussions about sex put on by Columbia University (?). They may have also put out a book. The topics addressed included discussions about bestiality and even discussions about 'safe' rimming. Absolutely sick.

9 posted on 09/11/2008 8:23:00 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: pissant
If anyone is near the Kinkos in Kileen, TX, please fax a memo to CBS at once!

On a serious note, a hardcore Democrat in my wife's sorority told her that she is voting for McCain Palin because of the disgusting way the Democrats and the media are acting toward Palin. I know it's only anecdotal, but if the number of "Democrat for McCain" signs I saw at our local Rally with McCain/Palin is any indication, we need to encourage the media to keep shooting!

Jag!


10 posted on 09/11/2008 8:23:38 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: pissant

The HOLY MESSIAH Obama is in Danger, and has called for ALL of his disciples to attack “The GREAT Whore of the Bible”(As I saw on one lib website this morning!)

No lie, No smear will be left unturned by Obama’s allies in the media.


11 posted on 09/11/2008 8:23:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf (SARAH PALIN-The American Everywoman (Yes, You Really CAN!))
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To: pissant

It’s a “two-fer”! CBS includes Sarah’s religion with her book banning.

Sane people would think it’s kind of dumb to keep playing old tunes that are already debunked. But, maybe not.


12 posted on 09/11/2008 8:24:08 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Just Words? Elect Obama and it's too late. There are NO do-overs.)
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To: pissant

What these dopes on the left don’t realize is that very shortly Palin is going to explain away every one of these “charges” in her nationally televised interviews.

She is going to look rational, and the questioners irrational.

They are going to have venom in their voice, and she is going to have that twinkle in her eyes.

And the people are going to love her, not them.


13 posted on 09/11/2008 8:24:19 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: pissant

It will get worse. I want to suggest that McCain put out an ad detailing the horrid attacks on Palin and her family and challenging Obama.

“Barack Obama’s supporters have been upset about the selection of Sarah Palin but instead of just attacking her policies...”

“They have attacked her family”

“Her Daughter” (Pictures)
“Her Son who is leaving for Iraq”
“And even her defenseless baby, Trig, who has down syndrome”

“Please tell Barack Obama to tell his supporters to stop these vicious attacks”


14 posted on 09/11/2008 8:24:28 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: pissant

Someone is looking to replace Dan Rather.


15 posted on 09/11/2008 8:24:34 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: pissant

their problem now is that if they do (unlikely) dig up anything negative on Palin - no one will pay attention.


16 posted on 09/11/2008 8:25:01 AM PDT by palomonte (the universe tends to unfold as it should)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Not even that. She only asked the Librarian what she would do IF she was asked and the Librarian was never fired.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


17 posted on 09/11/2008 8:25:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: pissant

As I recall the librarian herself recently stated that she remembered Palin asking her a rhetorical question about if books could be removed and she had nothing else to say. Also I heard that some of the books on the liberals’ list that she supposedly asked about weren’t even published at the time


18 posted on 09/11/2008 8:26:55 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I wrote CBS for what good it does and told them I will no longer watch my local CBS affiliate which was the news I always watched. Watch ABC from now on and CBS can keep right on tanking.


19 posted on 09/11/2008 8:26:58 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! McCainNow.com; LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: Always Right

as opposed to getting knocked up at 17?


20 posted on 09/11/2008 8:28:29 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: BigBobber

“What these dopes on the left don’t realize is that very shortly Palin is going to explain away every one of these “charges” in her nationally televised interviews.”

and then the media is going to decide that Ike is a bigger story and bury the entire Palin interview


21 posted on 09/11/2008 8:28:40 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: pissant

The witch hunt continues. And she continues to be as popular as ever.

The libs and the media (I repeat myself) are going to really hate her from here on. They won’t be able to get anything to stick. Just like they hated ‘Teflon Ron’, they are really going to hate her. Come to think of it, it’s like how we were with Clinton. There are just some public figures who are impenetrable when it comes to this stuff. And she’s on our team.


22 posted on 09/11/2008 8:28:49 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Maelstorm

No. Not good to play the victim card. Instead come out with both barrels balzing against the media and the Obamunists. They are ripe for utter ridicule.


23 posted on 09/11/2008 8:30:21 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
CBS has a reverse Rathergate problem with this story. In Rathergate, TANG memos were created with a software package that didn't exist yet. In this nonsense, the list of books Palin supposedly wanted pulled included titles that didn't even exist at the time.

But at least CBS is consistent.

24 posted on 09/11/2008 8:30:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jeff Chandler
You mean she suggested that libraries pick and chose which books to include in their collections? Oh the humanity!!!!

I think what they're trying to imply is that it was Palin who wanted to pick and choose which books were in the library collection. I believe both have denied that Palin ever demanded any books be removed.

25 posted on 09/11/2008 8:31:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant
I went to the site and left feedback :Is Steve Wormtongue Benen a pen name for Dan Rather? Facts? You don't need no stinking facts, right?
26 posted on 09/11/2008 8:31:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: pissant

They are doing what was expected. The media is doubling down to destroy Sarah.


27 posted on 09/11/2008 8:32:18 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: Philly Nomad
as opposed to getting knocked up at 17?

So we should be teaching kids about having safe sex with animals?

28 posted on 09/11/2008 8:32:57 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Philly Nomad

Could you elaborate?


29 posted on 09/11/2008 8:33:07 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: pissant

I don’t know. With women such an ad would play VERY well.


30 posted on 09/11/2008 8:33:08 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: pissant
Did someone mention 'banned books?'


31 posted on 09/11/2008 8:33:39 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: pissant
From Wikipedia in regard to Go Ask Alice:

Bans started in the 1970s: Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1974, Saginaw, Michigan in 1975, and Eagle Pass, Texas and Trenton, New Jersey in 1977 through removal from local libraries. Other libraries in New York (1975), Ogden, Utah (1979), and Florida (1982) required parental permission for a student to check out the book. Additional bans occurred in 1983 in Minnesota and Colorado, 1984 in Mississippi, and 1986 in Georgia and Michigan. Also, in 1993 in New Jersey and West Virginia, 1994 in Massachusetts, 1998 in Rhode Island, 2003 in Maine, and in Feb 2007 Berkley County School District in South Carolina. The American Library Association listed Go Ask Alice as number 23 on its list of the 100 most frequently challenged books of the 1990s. [6] The book was number 8 on the most challenged list in 2001 and up to number 6 in 2003.

So, we're consider it a big deal that Palin may have done the same in a small-town library with limited space?

32 posted on 09/11/2008 8:35:16 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: pissant

“CBS puts some idiots half baked theory out as news on the national wire? “

I get one channel...CBS. Every night I watch Katie Couric and I’ve noticed something. She sets Sarah up in an impossible situation..damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
She poses a ‘question’, and the way it’s worded, there IS no good response. It’s all about setting up the ‘gotcha’, whether there is anything to ‘get’ or not. Sort of like...’is she corrupt or just white trash’....

Oh, BTW, the idiot that played Ray Ramono’s brother, Brad Garrett, actually called Palin White Trash last night....this from a bloke who got famous playing white trash on TV.


33 posted on 09/11/2008 8:37:42 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: pissant
172,000 books are published each year and no small-town library buts and shelves even a single digit fraction of them. Both the budget and shelf space of a library are limited resources.

It is the proper duty of a librarian and the library board to decide which books get bought. It is the proper and regular duty of a librarian and the library board to decide which books get removed. In Wasilla, as in any community, it is the proper duty of the community to oversee the library, and that oversight can well include the outright banning of certain texts from the library.

Why does a librarian oppose her community? It can be for good, because as a expert in books, the market and in the running of libraries she has a duty to oppose for those merits a position taken by the community. But what is the proper nature of that duty?

She can argue strenuously that a particular book be added, although the board initially rejects its purchase. She can argue against a book being removed, although the board initially demands that it be removed. Yet in the end she must either follow the board orders -- and it is their right to give an order. If she can not follow that order, made after her arguments are heard, she should resign, and failing that resignation the board's duty is to fire hire.

Here -- Truman fired MacArthur. rather than risk that the genius General become insubordinate. MacArthur was both a genius and beloved by many, respected by many. Yet MacArthur was become like the Wasilla librarian, a person in an office who thinks they are beyond any authority but their own.

Hooray for the Sarah Palin for bringing up the subject of community standards and hooray for Sarah Palin when she later fired the insubordinate librarian!

34 posted on 09/11/2008 8:38:04 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Yes, this guy has no agenda. This is his blog...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

The blog that he once ran himself has a list of recommended blogs. It is as follows...

Talking Points Memo

Daily Kos

Tapped

Atrios’ Eschaton

Crooks and Liars

Firedoglake

Seeing The Forest

Cursor

No More Mr. Nice Blog

Mark A. R. Kleiman

Matthew Yglesias

Cliff Schecter

Political Animal

Digby’s Hullabaloo

Political Wire

Discourse.net

Upper Left

James Wolcott

The Reaction

The Left Coaster

Think Progress

Ezra Klein

Glenn Greenwald

MyDD

Oliver Willis

The Poor Man Institute

Balloon Juice

Shakesville

Needlenose

Campaign for America’s Future

Obsidian Wings

Anonymous Liberal

A Tiny Revolution

The Jed Report


35 posted on 09/11/2008 8:40:46 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: pissant

I don’t trust CBS to report facts.

Therefore, the only question becomes, “How to fight misinformation?”

“What is the process for banning a book?”

Did this ever even happen? Are those the exact words? If true, what was the context? Was she thinking of porn? Was there a misunderstanding?

I have no problem personally with banning porn from library shelves and library computers.

The ACLU disagrees with me.


36 posted on 09/11/2008 8:41:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: steveyp

Palin and her “Church” are the last people to tell people how to act.

Maybe if Palin spent enough time with her family as she did butting into other people’s reading habits, maybe her kid would have been able to avoid getting pregnant in the first place.


37 posted on 09/11/2008 8:43:33 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Always Right

Go Ask Alice is a a 60’s book about a girl who got involved in gratuitous sex and hard drugs. It’s written in the form of a diary and is purportedly true. She goes through several cycles of destroying herself until she dies of a drug overdose.


38 posted on 09/11/2008 8:46:40 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: thackney; All

Thank you for posting that. I’ve got it bookmarked to “share” with those who believe this tripe...

I really hope Palin and/or the campaign seriously consider filing libel lawsuits naming the reporters, and their bosses, and the broadcast companies as Defendants. I think that is the ONLY way to stop this yellow journalism.

When Palin wins these lawsuits (which she most likely would and very easily as these allegations against here have already been debunked very publicly) she should donate the money to charities of some sort — maybe even a pro-life charity, or some of it to Feminists for Life. That would REALLY steam these liberal jerks...

Years ago I organized a protest against the Rocky Mountain News in Denver. The day before our protest I and another activist were passing out flyers in front of the building explaining what we would be doing there the next day. A couple of very young men stopped by to talk to us before going in the building. They looked to be just out of college, or perhaps even interns, and they were returning from lunch. We explained that the newspaper had printed deliberate lies in their voter’s guide. Their response: “The First Amendment means we can print whatever we want”. To which I replied - The First Amendment guarantees that you can write about anything you want, but the First Amendment doesn’t give you the right to LIE and engage in libel. Their response? LAUGHTER... They repeated their claim that the 1st Amendment meant they could print ANYTHING, and then proceeded into the RMN building. My friend and I were aghast that they actually had the audacity to make these statements. What’s even worse is that it really did appear they believed it. They copped an attitude like you wouldn’t believe and acted like they were so superior to us.

Nearly all respect I had left for the MSM was shredded that day... I have a feeling that this attitude is rampant in the journalism schools, as well as the broadcasting and publishing companies as well... Someone needs to stand up and put an end to this - sooner rather than later.


39 posted on 09/11/2008 8:47:40 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: pissant

DEBUNKED!


40 posted on 09/11/2008 8:48:25 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Philly Nomad

You’re funny. Cuz you can’t be serious.


41 posted on 09/11/2008 8:51:07 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: Philly Nomad; Admin Moderator
Philly Nomad wrote:

Palin and her “Church” are the last people to tell people how to act.

Maybe if Palin spent enough time with her family as she did butting into other people’s reading habits, maybe her kid would have been able to avoid getting pregnant in the first place.


EXCUSE ME??? Have you even read ANY of these posts? This story of book banning is a complete fabrication. And, how dare you suggest that Sarah is anything less than a loving and devoted mother...

I think your time here is most likely at an end, Philly Nomad (at least if it was up to me it would be). Why don't you go back to DU -- they LOVE libelous accusations there... Whereas here at FR we love the TRUTH! Get lost troll!
42 posted on 09/11/2008 8:53:01 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Philly Nomad

Oh, ok. You were casting the first stone.

Thanks. That’s what I thought was happening...


43 posted on 09/11/2008 8:53:34 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: pissant

Yep, local outcry alright...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U38g6Dn_M0&feature=user


44 posted on 09/11/2008 8:55:49 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

I know more about Palin after two weeks than I know about Obama after two years.


45 posted on 09/11/2008 8:58:11 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: pissant
When the librarian resisted, she was, at least initially, fired

This is not true. According to what I read, she was let go, along with several others who had been given their jobs by the previous administration. It was totally within Sarah's right to do so. The public support for the librarian, however, caused her to change her mind. I call that being responsive to the people.

46 posted on 09/11/2008 8:58:40 AM PDT by Paradox (Obama, the Audacity of Hype.)
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To: xzins
A community has a right to police itself according to the standards it wishes to uphold, when those standards are not outside the bounds of common law and morals, and the standards and their policing does not impair or imperil the common and lawful expectations of individual liberty.

Thus a community may demand of its public facilities that the are in conformance with those arbitrary standards the community chooses for itself. And that can include banning books for any reason whatsoever.

To do so is not an impairment or imperilment of individual liberty, for any book may be bought or borrowed or owned or shipped by anyone. Only from the inventory of the community library is the book banned.

It also means a community may ban things like sleeping in the library, ban the use of the library for viewing pornography, etc., or ban the copying of copyright material from its copiers. It can even ban folks who cause a disruption by their appearance, action or smell -- making some special allowance for such poor souls of the community who cannot without great cost or burden correct that appearance, or smell. This is all common sense. I heed not silly recent judicial rulings, because long term common sense must prevail or the nation fails.

47 posted on 09/11/2008 8:58:40 AM PDT by bvw
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To: pissant
They keep throwing mud.

Here's a quote from www.factcheck.org:

"She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term."

FactCheck.org Sliming Palin

48 posted on 09/11/2008 9:02:56 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Philly Nomad

Ma is that you?


49 posted on 09/11/2008 9:03:48 AM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: Philly Nomad
Palin and her “Church” are the last people to tell people how to act.

No, that should be left up to the people who put out books explaining to pre-K kids that sexual perversions are okay and that Heather needs two or three mommies. Anything--anything at all-- other than kids learning their moral beliefs from a ***GASP! *** Church.

How do you know how much time Palin spent with her kids or what she said to them???? Obviously, the entire family should be burned at the stake-- her 17 year old is pregnant!!!

So everyone should have free license to do as they please, but Sarah Palin should be pilloried because her daughter is having a baby! Hypocrites like you make me want to puke.

50 posted on 09/11/2008 9:05:13 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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