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Are You Too Dumb to Understand Evolution?
CreationEvolutionHeadlines ^ | September 10, 2008

Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...

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1 posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“If we’re descended from monkeys and apes, how come there are still monkeys and apes?”

-George Carlin

“Beat’s me.”

-Rex


2 posted on 09/11/2008 9:57:06 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?

I suppose I am, since nobody's ever been able to explain something to me:

If we evolved from lower animals, why do they still exist?

3 posted on 09/11/2008 9:58:13 AM PDT by edpc (Head On!!! Apply directly to Begala)
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To: GodGunsGuts

When your theory doesn’t hold water, claim every one else is too stupid to understand your brilliance.

Guy must be one of the Obama campaign strategists.


4 posted on 09/11/2008 9:59:06 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If all the ordinary plebes understand the Mysteries there would be no need for High Priests. And then where would we be?


5 posted on 09/11/2008 9:59:36 AM PDT by scory
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To: edpc
If we evolved from lower animals, why do they still exist?

So we can have barbecued stuff with our beer.

6 posted on 09/11/2008 10:00:26 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; editor-surveyor; MrB; GourmetDan; valkyry1; ...

Could it be that the Temple of Darwin wants to keep the public’s understanding of natural selection watered down for fear that they might realize that Darwin’s ToE is collapsing under the weight of falsifying scientific evidence?

For more, see the following:

Can evolution Survive Without Darwin?

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200808.htm#20080829a


7 posted on 09/11/2008 10:00:49 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

8 posted on 09/11/2008 10:01:29 AM PDT by null and void (When you bang your forehead on the ground five times a day, you get brain damage.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
If he won't explain the details to me, should I just accept his assertions on faith?

And woudl that make Evolution a religion?

9 posted on 09/11/2008 10:01:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Michelle, spare me your phony outrage, you know as well as I do that dress makes your butt look big)
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To: RexBeach

More curiously, why aren’t those same monkeys and apes evolving into lower forms of humans?


10 posted on 09/11/2008 10:03:16 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: ClearCase_guy

You might be on to something there!


11 posted on 09/11/2008 10:03:35 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Are you too dumb to understand evolution?”

I’m happy if I leave the mens room with my fly zipped.


12 posted on 09/11/2008 10:04:25 AM PDT by tumblindice (I'm sticking by my guns and voting for conservatives.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

question:

did darwin explain the divergence of one life form from from another or did he just talk about species evolving within species as an adaptation to environment?

it seems that evolutionists are always trying to find that missing link which they say exists but is just as elusive as ever. (thanks in advance)


13 posted on 09/11/2008 10:05:50 AM PDT by ripley
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To: edpc
If we evolved from lower animals, why do they still exist?

I'm of the opinion that they don't still exist.

14 posted on 09/11/2008 10:06:20 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design

That is another hypothetical construct as is Darwinian Evolution.

It can never be observed once much less twice or three times.


15 posted on 09/11/2008 10:08:21 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The odds of evolution happening exceeds the number of the stars in the universe. Even the most simple single cell needs over 128 proteins assembled precisely. This statistically would take billions of years in a proper environment. Then the cell would have to learn to reproduce. There should be more transitional creatures (missing links) than creatures. There are no missing links. Some atheists go to ridiculous lengths to try to prove no God!


16 posted on 09/11/2008 10:10:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
If h He won't explain the details to me, should I just accept h His assertions on faith?

fixed.

17 posted on 09/11/2008 10:10:24 AM PDT by E=MC2
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To: ripley

Not only have they not found the missing links, the field of epigenetics is discovering that mutation is NOT RANDOM. Once word of this gets out, it will destroy the entire neo-Darwinian synthesis. Thus the watered down versions of Darwin’s ToE.


18 posted on 09/11/2008 10:10:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: XeniaSt

.... It can never be observed once much less twice or three times.....

Please tell us where and how many times and under what circumstances you have ever looked.

How many hours have you logged in a lab or in the field. Where? When? Doing what? What were you studying?


19 posted on 09/11/2008 10:11:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: ClearCase_guy

What reasoning do evolutionists use? Can’t be deductive because no one had yet evolved to observe what could follow after life first formed. Can’t be inductive because the results of human history fail to offer any evidence that evolution ever occurred. Ah, must be faith!! the evidence of things hoped for but not seen.


20 posted on 09/11/2008 10:11:38 AM PDT by Murp
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To: edpc

If Americans came from Europe why are there still Europeans?

And yes, the author of this piece is too dumb to understand evolution.


21 posted on 09/11/2008 10:13:15 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: MrEdd

This is how ALGORE got his start as the GOD of Environmental Science.


22 posted on 09/11/2008 10:13:16 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life.

I thought evolutionists were always telling us that origin-of-life arguments have nothing to do with evolution?

23 posted on 09/11/2008 10:13:55 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Glenn

What kind of animals did we come from? Apes and monkeys? Because if that’s the case, they do still exist. In fact, my understand of the fossils that have been found and were interpreted to be cro-magnin or neanderthal were apes and monkeys such as “Lucy” and the fake “Piltdown Man.” Is this correct?


24 posted on 09/11/2008 10:14:42 AM PDT by libertylass (Her support of aerial hunting....)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
More curiously, why aren’t those same monkeys and apes evolving into lower forms of humans?

I think you skipped that day in 9th grade biology class where they explained this to the class.

25 posted on 09/11/2008 10:15:09 AM PDT by E=MC2
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To: XeniaSt

As someone pointed out above, this is where Darwin’s theory becomes a faith. Indeed, the high priests of the Temple of Darwin are quite open about it if you ask them the right question:

“What do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it?”

Richard Dawkins: “I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection.”

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Williams_GodDelusionReview_02012007.pdf


26 posted on 09/11/2008 10:17:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: edpc
If we evolved from lower animals, why do they still exist?

Why wouldn't they? There's nothing in the Theory of Evolution that requires an ancestral species to go extinct.

But, point in fact, though we share a common ancestor with the other great apes, that common ancestor is extinct.

27 posted on 09/11/2008 10:17:43 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: wmileo

ROFL!


28 posted on 09/11/2008 10:17:45 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (9-11-01 Never Forget)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Studies in molecular self-organization continued to focus on amphiphilic molecules, which are molecules that possess both hydrophobic and hydrophilic regions. These molecules tend to self-organize spontaneously in an aqueous environment (Figure 1). Co-Investigators Robert Hazen and David Deamer continued their investigations of suites of molecules produced when an aqueous solution of pyruvate is subjected to hydrothermal conditions (250oC at 0.2 GPa). Their efforts involved identification of the lipid-like molecules that form vesicles in water.

Figure 1. The self-assembly of amphiphiles occurs when molecules with both hydrophilic and hydrophobic regions arrange themselves into a minimum-energy configuration, such as a spherical phospholipid bilayer vesicle. Deamer and coworkers also studied the abiotic formation of aliphatic lipid compounds (i.e., fatty acids, alcohols, and acylglycerols) as has been reported to occur at elevated temperatures and pressures under simulated hydrothermal conditions. Although abiotic synthetic chemistry can occur under these conditions, the prebiotic self-assembly of micelles to bilayer to vesicles (protocells) may have occurred elsewhere. Because they are abundant products of Fischer-Tropsch-type reactions and are also present in the organic components of carbonaceous meteorites, amphiphilic compounds such as fatty acids are important candidates for micelle/bilayer/vesicle formation.

Thus, it is of interest to determine whether more complex amphiphilic precursor compounds capable of assembling into stable membrane structures can be synthesized under hydrothermal conditions. Hydrothermal experiments were conducted to study condensation reactions of model lipid precursors in aqueous media to form acylglycerols (glyceryl alkanoates) at elevated temperature under confining pressure. Nine different alkanoic acids ranging from C7 to C16 (except C8) were used in these experiments. The condensation products were two isomers each of monoacylglycerols and diacylglycerols, as well as the corresponding triacylglycerol. The results indicated that (1) condensation (dehydration) reactions are possible under aqueous pyrolysis conditions, (2) abiotic synthesis and subsequent condensation reactions of aliphatic lipid compounds are possible under hydrothermal conditions, and (3) such molecules have robust properties of self-assembly into membranous structures that would be suitable boundary structures for primitive forms of cellular life.

Doesn't look complicated to me. /sarcasm

29 posted on 09/11/2008 10:18:22 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: tpanther; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

ping!


30 posted on 09/11/2008 10:18:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Are You Too Dumb to Understand Evolution?

Evolution is just like global warming that way.

31 posted on 09/11/2008 10:19:06 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those given to CHANGE)
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To: edpc

Evolution does NOT say any current species evolved from any other of the current species.

Current species, by natural selection, came from ancestors who were different.

Homo sapiens did not evolve from today’s apes & monkeys. Today’s primates evolved from ancestors who were different from any of today’s primates. Not only are we changed from our ancestors, so are all the other species that exist today also different from THEIR ancestors.

Possums did not evolve from kangaroos, nor did kangaroos evolve from possums. Both evolved from a common ancestor that lived millions of years ago.


32 posted on 09/11/2008 10:19:26 AM PDT by leftcoaster
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To: Sgt_Schultze
More curiously, why aren’t those same monkeys and apes evolving into lower forms of humans?

Because evolution is a process that takes hundreds of thousands, even millions of years to take place. Which means that we can't actually observe it taking place. Which means our only evidence for it is forensic, and therefore open to subjective interpretation. Which means that you have to essentially take our particular interpretation on faith. So stop asking questions, you creationiost whackjob!

/s

33 posted on 09/11/2008 10:20:17 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
More curiously, why aren’t those same monkeys and apes evolving into lower forms of humans?

Why would they? Our closest related species, chimps and gorrillas, evolved to fit a different environmental niche than we did. They're not our ancestors, just a branch of the family tree that went in a different direction.

34 posted on 09/11/2008 10:21:18 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade
that common ancestor is extinct

Nonsense. It was found and frozen in Georgia a few weeks back. I read it on the web. Also, one also drove the bus (until he was wounded) in the movie Speed.

35 posted on 09/11/2008 10:22:13 AM PDT by edpc (Head On!!! Apply directly to Begala)
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That’s a rhetorical question, right? I mean, it’s like asking if you are dumb enough to believe anal sex doesn’t transmit AIDS, or dumb enough to believe gold will reach $1650 this summer.


36 posted on 09/11/2008 10:22:47 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Sgt_Schultze
More curiously, why aren’t those same monkeys and apes evolving into lower forms of humans?

Case Of Backward Evolution: New Hope For Democrats

37 posted on 09/11/2008 10:25:07 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Alaskan landscape is littered with the bodies of those who have crossed Sarah Palin)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Already on it, though it’s a shame that I’ll probably be on the road when this thread really gets interesting :(


38 posted on 09/11/2008 10:26:00 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I do understand the second law of thermodynamics. And I know a belief system when I see one.

There is one thing I don't understand though. That is the other force at work in the universe beside the four that we know of, i.e. that is the unmeasured, supernatural, invisible force which defies the second law of thermodynamics and creates order out of disorder.

Can some one help me with that with explanations that don't include words like "might", "may', "could have", "probably", etc.,etc.,etc.

39 posted on 09/11/2008 10:26:22 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat party are among the enemies of The Republic.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; xzins; enat
Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible

I thought abiogenesis was not part of the "evolution" theology. That's what I've been told by all the Evos on this forum. Now here is a guy that says that anyone who doesn't understand how life can form spontaneously is an idiot.

Does that mean that all the EVOS on this forum are idiots just like us creationists?

40 posted on 09/11/2008 10:26:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: libertylass
What kind of animals did we come from? Apes and monkeys? Because if that’s the case, they do still exist.

We share a common ancestor with the other great apes and primates in existence today. But we did not evolve from any of them.

In fact, my understand of the fossils that have been found and were interpreted to be cro-magnin or neanderthal were apes and monkeys such as “Lucy” and the fake “Piltdown Man.” Is this correct?

No, it isn't. Lucy is a perfectlly legitimate fossil of an extinct hominid species. There are perhaps dozens, if not hundreds, of neanderthal fossils. Piltdown Man was a hoax perpetrated by an unknown person.

41 posted on 09/11/2008 10:27:51 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: RexBeach

If Americans came from Europe, how come there are still Europeans?


42 posted on 09/11/2008 10:28:20 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: E=MC2; GodGunsGuts
If h He won't explain the details to me, should I just accept h His assertions on faith?

fixed.


Ahh, but that's the difference. "He" did layout the details (limited, of course, as history at the time was recorded in a purely verbal manner) and "His" *is* a religion and not thinly veiled as *science*. Furthermore, He comes right out in the open and asks you to accept Him on faith. If only the high priests of evolution had such confidence in their religion to do the same.
43 posted on 09/11/2008 10:30:59 AM PDT by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Which means that we can't actually observe it taking place. Which means our only evidence for it is forensic, and therefore open to subjective interpretation.

Nobody who actually observed the murders of Ron and Nicole gave testimony implicating OJ Simpson, and all they had was forensic evidence subject to subjective interpretation. I don't see why people sneered at the jury for acquitting him.

44 posted on 09/11/2008 10:31:36 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: libertylass
What kind of animals did we come from?

We don't know yet.

45 posted on 09/11/2008 10:31:40 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: steve-b

If Gloria Steinhem is in a room alone, is anyone really there?


46 posted on 09/11/2008 10:31:44 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: steve-b

Hey, don’t confuse these people when they are on a roll.

The affirmatives were winning handily.


47 posted on 09/11/2008 10:32:08 AM PDT by js1138
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Is that from "Hydrothermal Reactions of Pyruvic Acid: Synthesis, Selection, and Self-Assembly of Amphiphilic Molecules", Orig. Life and Evol. Bios., 37/2, April 2007?
48 posted on 09/11/2008 10:32:45 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
No monkey/primate ever worshipped a God.. if man evolved from primates to finally invent God then not believing in God is devolution.. and a throwback..

Therefore not beliveing that God created the Universe is monkey like and apeing behavior..
That is IF man evolved from apes.. RAP music does seem to mimic chimp social behaviors though.. posturing, making noises, walking off emotional tensions, shakeing bushes, facial and limb contortions, sexual positioning.. Its a hard choice..

49 posted on 09/11/2008 10:33:31 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: RexBeach
“If we’re descended from monkeys and apes, how come there are still monkeys and apes?”

-George Carlin

“Beat’s me.”

-Rex

Wow. The title of this thread is correct.

50 posted on 09/11/2008 10:34:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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