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Barack Obama the speechmaker is being rumbled
Times (UK) ^ | September 12, 2008 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 09/11/2008 6:31:04 PM PDT by presidio9

It's funny how the harder you look at something, the harder it can be to understand it. I can't recall a US presidential election that has attracted more attention. But neither can there have been a time when the world has watched what goes on in America with the nonplussed, horrified incomprehension it has now.

Travelling in Britain this week, I've been asked repeatedly by close followers of US politics if it can really be true that Barack Obama might not win. Thoughtful people cannot get their head around the idea that Mr Obama, exciting new pilot of change, supported by Joseph Biden, experienced navigator of the swamplands of Washington politics, could possibly be defeated.

They look upon John McCain and Sarah Palin and see something out of hag-ridden history: the wizened old warrior, obsessed with finding enemies in every corner of the globe, marching in lockstep with the crackpot, mooseburger-chomping mother from the wilds of Alaska, rifle in one hand, Bible in the other, smiting caribou and conventional science as she goes.

Two patronising explanations are adduced to explain why Americans are going wrong. The first is racism. I've dealt with this before and it has acquired no more merit. White supremacists haven't been big on Democratic candidates, whatever their colour, for a long time, and Mr Obama's race is as likely to generate enthusiasm among blacks and young voters as it is hostility among racists.

In a similarly condescending account, those foolish saps are being conned into voting for Mr McCain because they like his running-mate. Her hockey-mom charm and storybook career appeals to their worst instincts. The race is boiling down to a beauty contest in which a former beauty queen is stealing the show. Believe this if it helps

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: gerardbaker; mccainpalin; nonamericancaucus; nonamericanvote; obamabiden

1 posted on 09/11/2008 6:31:04 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks or who they want to see elected. I really don’t.


2 posted on 09/11/2008 6:34:32 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: presidio9

The question is, who care what some Brits think. I don’t recall them having associations with Africans other than by subjugating them.


3 posted on 09/11/2008 6:37:05 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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To: presidio9
"...with the crackpot, mooseburger-chomping mother from the wilds of Alaska, rifle in one hand, Bible in the other, smiting caribou and conventional science as she goes..."

And the problem with this is...?

4 posted on 09/11/2008 6:37:18 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: nobama08

He is left leaning Marxist with muslim sympathies. Even a pissed Englishman should be able to see that.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 6:37:20 PM PDT by refermech
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To: presidio9

Good article, nice find.


6 posted on 09/11/2008 6:38:34 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: nobama08; hgro; skimbell; refermech; Admin Moderator

I probably should have added a subheading about reading the entire article. The author is no fan of Obama, and cites David Freddoso to make a point further down.


7 posted on 09/11/2008 6:41:45 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
But neither can there have been a time when the world has watched what goes on in America with the nonplussed, horrified incomprehension it has now.

And I love every second of it.

8 posted on 09/11/2008 6:43:14 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: presidio9

Great article. He explains what our MSM won’t...the difference between what Obama says and who he really is.
Thanks for posting.


9 posted on 09/11/2008 6:43:34 PM PDT by Dawn531
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To: expatpat

Thanks. Judging by the comments around here FReepers are getting lazy.


10 posted on 09/11/2008 6:43:41 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: All

See, thing is, we fought a Revolution and a couple of World Wars so we wouldn’t have to give a flying f*** what the world thinks...


11 posted on 09/11/2008 6:43:58 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: presidio9
UK? Are they under Sharia law, yet?

What, the muslims aren't taking the UK over fast enough? They need Obama to help speed it up?

12 posted on 09/11/2008 6:44:50 PM PDT by ryan71 (My hockey mom bitch-slapped your soccer mom)
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To: presidio9

Done.


13 posted on 09/11/2008 6:48:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: presidio9

Check this out. You have to watch it to fully appreciate it.

The man simply cannot think for himself.

keith olbermann advises the great speechmaker...

http://www.chris-spangle.com/2008/09/10/enough-olbermann-advises-obama/


14 posted on 09/11/2008 6:50:03 PM PDT by jackv
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To: presidio9
Speechmaker Obama has built his campaign on the promise of reform, the need to change the culture of American political life, to take on the special interests that undermine government's effectiveness and erode trust in the system itself,

Politician Obama rose through a Chicago machine that is notoriously the most corrupt in the country.

That pretty much says it all. Or at least enough, to anyone with an ounce of sense.

15 posted on 09/11/2008 6:50:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: presidio9

The UK should pay more attention to thier troubles at home. your are all strangers in your own land, overrun by jihadists the government protects over your citizens, national healthcare that is pathetic, government officials that are selling your country down the river and into the septic tank. I believe you would feel more confortable having another in your boat, a kind of misery loves company, but we will prevail with Mccain Palin, thank you Get your own house in order before you start giving advice


16 posted on 09/11/2008 6:51:31 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (IF YOU ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE BY 35 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN. W CHURCHILL)
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To: presidio9

Great article.
I had to laugh however when I read the comments.
Loved this one:
He forgot the Nonproliferation Bill with Senator Lugar (a Republican), and then makes the foolish argument that Obama is somehow more a democrat than any other Democrat in history, in spite of blatant examples to the contrary like his believe in supporting faith-based charities. That’s blindness.

However if you read the column, Baker states:
His one act of bipartisanship, a transparency bill co-sponsored with a Republican senator, was backed by everybody on both sides of the aisle. He has never challenged his party’s line on any issue of substance.

I guess the commenter is either blind or foolish.


18 posted on 09/11/2008 6:55:09 PM PDT by donnab (some people use change to promote their careers...others use their careers to promote change.)
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To: presidio9

While I don’t disagree with the author’s conclusion I take great exercise with his hopscotching across the simplistic squares he draws along his career toward landing on the true spot - the man has no substance - Obama will lose not because of party tricks or strategy but because there is no there, there.


19 posted on 09/11/2008 6:59:35 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: presidio9
For those without the patience to read to the end: "Here's the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance. There are just too many contradictions between the eloquent poetry of the man's stirring rhetoric and the dull, familiar prose of his political record. It's been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here's an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination. The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps."

I think the writer is spot on.

20 posted on 09/11/2008 7:00:40 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (The only thing Obama's been running for 4 years is his mouth.)
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To: presidio9

More of a speech reader. Too bad he didn’t go into acting


21 posted on 09/11/2008 7:01:12 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: nobama08
For some reason liberals care very much what the rest of the world thinks of us. I don't give a rat's ass what France or Germany or China thinks of us. I went to France for the first time in 1960 and they were rude to me, I have been back quite a number of times and their manners haven't improved. My next door neighbor is French and an American citizen now, even she doesn't like the French. Just so they respect and recognize our power, then I'll be OK with them.

BTW I saw your nic on a bumpersticker in Kalispel Montana last week, was that you?

22 posted on 09/11/2008 7:03:04 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: donnab
We feel the same way about British politics too. I mean look at Gordon Brown...any American looking at that guy would think, “Isn't that the guy who sprays the shoes down at the bowling alley?”

And what about Boris, the mayor of London...he looks like Gary Buce’s mug shot only more disheveled

23 posted on 09/11/2008 7:11:03 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: Ditter

Nah, I am in NC. And it isn’t original, I know, but appropriate.

Liberals are just plain nuts.


24 posted on 09/11/2008 7:13:40 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: JusPasenThru; ronnie raygun

I get the feeling that more than a few posters on this thread didn’t read the entire article.


25 posted on 09/11/2008 7:16:33 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (No longer holding my nose to vote - McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: presidio9

I once read an article about two towns within miles of each other - one in Canada and one in the United States. The article painted a revealing picture of the difference in world view. The people in the American town were innovative, entrepreneural, passionate in their beliefs, there was class mobility and they took risks. The Canadians were staid, traditional, orderly, bureaucratic, class conscious and process oriented.

I do love the English and their sense of humor, but their attorneys wear wigs and they are subjects of a Queen. I don’t think they have ever “gotten” their rambunctious American offspring and our passion for freedom.


26 posted on 09/11/2008 7:17:09 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2
The Brits finally got it ~ we are presently undergoing the largest emigration from the United Kingdom to the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand in history.

Within a couple of decades there will no longer be any "white Englishmen" ~ instead, a steady stream of "wannabes" from the Commonwealth nations like Jamaica and India are sweeping in and taking up those white wigs and old club mannerisms without skipping a beat.

27 posted on 09/11/2008 7:42:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: presidio9

“Here’s the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance.”

In other words, The guy ain’t what he says he is...


28 posted on 09/11/2008 8:07:09 PM PDT by Need4Truth
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To: presidio9

This election is a struggle between the followers of American exceptionalism and the supporters of global universalism.


I’d sign for this.


29 posted on 09/11/2008 8:10:47 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: presidio9

Here’s the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance.


Well done.


30 posted on 09/11/2008 8:16:06 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: nobama08

One point I like to make when some Eurotrash starts talking like that is to say, as soberly and apathetically as possible.
“If we so chose, there wouldn’t be a ‘rest of the world’.”

Shuts them right up.


31 posted on 09/11/2008 8:27:52 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: presidio9
I think we have some British elites who haven't heard that we're not their freakin' "colonies" anymore....

You'd think after saving their asses through a couple of wars, they'd begin to wake up.
32 posted on 09/11/2008 8:32:59 PM PDT by FrankR (Liberalism is communism, by the drink. O'Rourke)
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To: presidio9

Gerard Baker: "It's been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here's an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination.

The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps."

One slight editorial suggestion: "Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination kookery."

It's a leap of faith [ existentialists grab your Kierkegaard paperbacks], but he and his weird messiah cult are all over place with what this will actually mean in concrete terms. It's never quite clear where the Obama Twilight Zone is leading.

Clash of Civilizations 2008: National Review

The Palin Portfolio: Damage Control or the Clash of Civilizations:
Roger Kimball:"Many people, I suspect, believe that the legacy of multiculturalism and political correctness–the legacy, in a word, of 1960s radicalism–has inflicted grievous ruin upon this country. One party embraces that ruin as our destiny. John McCain and Sarah Palin reject it as tantamount to moral betrayal. This election really is shaping up as a clash of civilizations. No wonder its skirmishes have been so bitter. They are likely to become even more heated as more and more people awaken to the nature of the choice that confronts us."

Indeed.

33 posted on 09/12/2008 2:00:47 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: presidio9
Here's the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance. There are just too many contradictions between the eloquent poetry of the man's stirring rhetoric and the dull, familiar prose of his political record.

It's been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here's an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination.

The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps.

34 posted on 09/12/2008 7:17:21 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: presidio9

Bump for later reading


35 posted on 09/12/2008 10:27:00 PM PDT by SuziQ
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