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Jimmy Kimmel: Putting Lipstick on a Pig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ7gT7eDVIg ^ | 10 Sept 08 | Jimmy Kimmel

Posted on 09/11/2008 10:47:56 PM PDT by 1955Ford

Jimmy Kimmel's summary of the incident


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kimmel; lipstick; pig
At first I was sure Obama was comparing Palin to a pig. After seeing this clip, I changed my mind. I don't like Obama but I think he got a bum rap on this. Google shows that "Lipstick on a pig" is a common expression and McCain has used it himself.
1 posted on 09/11/2008 10:47:56 PM PDT by 1955Ford
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To: 1955Ford
It is a common expression. But it isn't one I have heard from HIM. And it came just after she said the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick.

What the media is doing is making the comment the issue, and not the context.

From the times I have heard it, it is a pretty rural/old timey saying. Obama has lived in Hawaii and Chicago (not exactly rural Illinois) and then came to Washington, so where did he pick up this slogan?

2 posted on 09/11/2008 10:51:14 PM PDT by Raider Sam
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To: 1955Ford

It is a common expression, but Obama knew and his core audience KNEW what he was referring to. Couple the PIG comment (referring to Palin) with the “old FISH” comment that was meant to refer to McCain and voila... classic smear... coming from the messiah of CHANGE!!!


3 posted on 09/11/2008 10:52:45 PM PDT by antceecee (LarryKing,CNN,MSNBC,KatieCouric et.al...: Our daughter's lives are none of your freakin' business!)
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To: 1955Ford

He said it ‘accidentally on purpose.’ It was meant to be a shot, but he had no idea the reaction it would elicit, then cries ‘poor me, everybody’s picking on me.’

He should grow up or get out of the race. Obama’s biggest problem (besides his ideology imo) is that he allowed his ego to push him into this race before his time. He succeeded in snatching the nomination from the ‘inevitable’ candidate. But now he has to face a real national election, not primaries with far left voters.


4 posted on 09/11/2008 10:57:02 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: 1955Ford

Technically, Obama himself has admitted that he was referring to Palin.

The only thing is - Obama claims that Palin was the lipstick in his reference, not the pig.

The point is that whether one splits hairs in this way or not, the reference, which went on to speak of the smell of rotten fish (barracuda?) was loaded with innuendo and was dangerously subject to multiple interpretations. It leads me to question the judgement and character of the man who spoke the words - if any more evidence were necessary.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 10:57:12 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 1955Ford
"Lipstick on a pig" is a common expression and McCain has used it himself.

I agree...but I can only imagine that if someone, talking about Obama, uttered the phrase "Calling a spade a spade" and then had the whole audience laughing...they would be roasted by the media.

6 posted on 09/11/2008 10:58:36 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 1955Ford
Jimmy Kimmel: Putting Lipstick on a Pig

Speaking of pigs, is he still running around with Sarah Silverman?

7 posted on 09/11/2008 11:00:20 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: 1955Ford
By itself, it's an isolated incident, but Obama has a pattern of behavior which is hostile to women. For instance, he once flipped off Hillary Clinton in the primaries with the same "I'm all innocent but you know exactly what I'm doing" kind of schtick. In that case, he was scratching his nose and just coincidentally using his middle finger to do it.

The biggest tell is that the audience was howling with laughter and gave him a standing ovation (both times). So either Obama is so messianic that he expects a room full of people to give him standing ovations for using common phrases and scratching his nose, or he does it deliberately and then acts shocked when anyone is offended.

Either way, the important point is Obama's reaction. He could have apologized if he accidentally offended someone with his innocent remark. He could have doubled down, owned up to what he was saying, and said it again. Obama chose to do neither. He floundered in some sort of rambling victimhood status and wasted about 2 news cycles doing it.
8 posted on 09/11/2008 11:01:47 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Jesse Jackson talks about neutering Obama, but Sarah Palin actually delivers.)
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To: 1955Ford
At first I was sure Obama was comparing Palin to a pig. After seeing this clip, I changed my mind. I don't like Obama but I think he got a bum rap on this.

Bum rap or not, political statements are up for grabs. If it truly was a bum rap, and they fumbled the reply, it's too damn bad.

9 posted on 09/11/2008 11:01:55 PM PDT by period end of story (Goodness inside)
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To: 1955Ford

The context that Hussein used it in clearly insinuated that Sarah Palin was being referred to as the ‘pig’ with lipstick, both because she had just recently referred to herself as a pit bull with lipstick, and because the Democrat Party website had just put up a graphic called ‘Republican Pig with Lipstick’, the pig having glasses and wearing a necklace. The inference was obvious and wasn’t missed by Democrats, that is for sure.


10 posted on 09/11/2008 11:04:31 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

>if someone, talking about Obama, uttered the
>phrase “Calling a spade a spade”

You mean like Mrs. Bill Clinton saying he hasn’t done the spadework?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949908/posts


11 posted on 09/11/2008 11:05:26 PM PDT by mwilli20 (Don't let them reformulate it, call it "Global Warming"!)
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To: John Valentine

Boy you’re not kidding. The media didn’t touch on the smelly fish interpretation that could have been a lot less unflattering to Palin.

I still don’t understand why we didn’t see the video on that, or that we don’t hear more about that.


12 posted on 09/11/2008 11:07:50 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

You hit the nail on the head. He’s got his own history to live down on this.

If nothing else, he should have been bright enough to figure out that he shouldn’t have gone anywhere close to there based upon the perception that he disses women.

I guess they don’t teach common sense at Harvard.


13 posted on 09/11/2008 11:10:47 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: John Valentine

Since the comments he spoke just before the ‘lipstick/pig’ remark were lifted directly from a political cartoon, I believe that whole narrative was scipted. There are blogs on mybarackobama.com titled ‘Lipstick on a Pig’ - all written well before Tuesday. Monday morning, Bob Beckell used a ‘pig’ reference regarding Palin on ‘Fox and Friends’. On Tuesday, Biden said something at a campaign stop to the effect of ‘you can’t put lipstick on it’. A few hours later, Obama used the term after making comments that were obviously plagarized and memorized. The ‘lipstick/pig’ thing was a common theme in the Obamasphere before he ever uttered the words. There’s no way that was an ‘off the cuff’ remark.


14 posted on 09/11/2008 11:13:27 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: EDINVA

“He said it ‘accidentally on purpose.’”

Like when he gave Hillary the bird.


15 posted on 09/11/2008 11:16:08 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: 1955Ford
Look at the reaction behind Obama when he says it.

See those broad smiles from democrats?

Either it was an intentional poorly veiled slam on Palin, or Obama is utterly clueless.

The timing to use that expression was incredibly poor.

A day before Palins speech and massively publicized lipstick joke, those democrats would not have been smiling broadly after he used that expression.

It's commonly used. Shortly after?

well, you see it makes a difference doesn't it?

16 posted on 09/11/2008 11:16:42 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: blake6900

no, she had the good sense to dump him


17 posted on 09/11/2008 11:18:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama/Pol Pot 2008)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I’m waiting to see the WaPo write as many articles about this as they did ‘macaca.’


18 posted on 09/11/2008 11:20:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: 1955Ford

It is indeed a common expression. In this case, however, it was said short after she told her lipstick joke. At best, it was a bonehead remark by him. And consider this. If you use the term lipstick on a pig, you are doing it to criticize your opponent or opponent’s plan. It should bring cheering from your crowd. Instead, it brought laughter -—— and the laughter came when he paused and before a punchline was told. Who laughs before the punchline is told?


19 posted on 09/11/2008 11:27:55 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

“Calling a spade a spade” and then had the whole audience laughing...they would be roasted by the media.

Touche, FRiend.


20 posted on 09/11/2008 11:28:05 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Congrasites = Congressional parasites.)
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To: 1955Ford

McCain used it when referencing Hillary’s health care plan. He didn’t use it referring to Hillary herself.

Obama did use it to reference Palin herself. He paused so he could get the full effect for it, and his audience thought it was hilarious, and started chanting Palin, Palin...

Kimmel should bone up on the topic before he starts making a democrat out of himself.


21 posted on 09/11/2008 11:32:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: 1955Ford

Whether intentional or unintentional, he’s a fool: because his “job” is to win an election by bringing people (and at this point, especially white women) to his side. So question yourself: was it a smart move?

You saw his audience’s wild reaction. They understood the meaning, just as Republicans did! Most stand up commedians “work” their audience... He did pause for effect. So I’m in the intentional camp... but if it was unintentional, well then he’s obviously living in a bubble. For how many days was the media playing Palin’s “Pitbull Lipstick” - “Pitbull Lipstick” - “Hockey mom? Pitbull Lipstick”. We got doses of it even here in Italy. And when the association is still eminently fresh, you the “ONE” promising CHANGE (and bla bla bla) are gonna “innocently” come out with “PIG - LIPSTICK”?

Can he really be THAT innocent?


22 posted on 09/11/2008 11:38:12 PM PDT by Mancolicani
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To: 1955Ford
It is a common expression, it's the timing of it that belies his intention.

That's why when McCain used the expression a year ago, it did not make a blip - there was no controversial context.

It has been said, and I agree, that either 0bama was oblivious to the implication when he said it, or he meant it. Either way, it's horrendous judgment on 0bama's part.

The fact that many Democratic women voters were offended by the remark shows that sexism cannot be used by one side against another - it will backfire.
23 posted on 09/11/2008 11:40:23 PM PDT by beagleone (McCain: He had me at "Hanoi.")
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To: EDINVA
Do we need someone incapable of parsing meaning in the White House? He keeps "But I meant"-ing. Really?

Rookie crap, all the way.

24 posted on 09/11/2008 11:42:48 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
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To: Mancolicani

after reading all these comments, I change my mind again. I guess the laughter gives it away as an intended insult to Palin. Obama’s staff must have thought this one up and must have thought it to be pretty clever.


25 posted on 09/12/2008 12:00:39 AM PDT by 1955Ford
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To: 1955Ford
Obama deserves the rap he's getting.

It was stupid. He may not have meant it the way it came out. But he should have known better than going there in the first place. The fact that he was so clueless is where the fault lies.

26 posted on 09/12/2008 12:02:20 AM PDT by DB
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To: 1955Ford

his next line is “you can take an old fish and wrap it in paper but it still stinks.” That’s not a common phrase, but it free associates to barracuda , which again is Palin.


27 posted on 09/12/2008 12:06:23 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: 1955Ford
Sure it is a common expression. Go and listen to how McCain used it. Definitively referencing a 'program' - and yet, he almost apologises for calling the program a 'pig' in this vernacular.

There IS a subtext here; Obama played it; enjoyed it. . .and invited the audience along. And they 'got it'; and they loved it. I don't know anyone who has NOT heard of this expression. But whatever the case; the 'pig' wearing lipstick is clear; just as clear as who was being referenced in Obama's 'closer'. . .the 'old fish wrapped in yesterday's newspaper'. (Have a clue, Jimmy?) His routine was a 'twofer'! (Do not know anyone who has not heard this 'reference' either; but it does not change the meaning or intent of Obama).

Let us NOT forget; the fricking lines leading up to this were 'lifted' from WaPo cartoon!

Used to think Obama would have made a 'great Billy Graham'; but that requires more authenticity. . .honesty. Having watched him; now think he could do a great 'Vegas' magic act.

The truth is; that is precisely what he is doing; he has just taken it on the road. .

28 posted on 09/12/2008 12:12:11 AM PDT by cricket (God Bless America and President Bush 9/11/08 .)
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To: 1955Ford

obama knew he could take a swipe at Gov. Palin and say he didn’t mean it “that way”

as a youth, I too employed double entandre to poke fun at people

Now that I am 47 years old, I have no time for such monkey shines


29 posted on 09/12/2008 12:14:42 AM PDT by daku (Obama has experience pouring out of those big ears of his.)
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To: EDINVA

This is probably why some cracks in his demeanor have surfaced with him feeling bored and tired. I don’t even remember John Kerry complaining about the food he ate, yet you’ve got Barack complaining about it some days ago.


30 posted on 09/12/2008 12:26:04 AM PDT by Merta (Who is the only parental unit that California Democrats wish preserved? The Aunt(Aunt War=ANWR))
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To: daku

Some innocent expressions McCain can use at his next town-hall meeting, and the press will be all understanding and sympathetic:

“I looked into Senator Obama’s finances, and there’s something in the woodpile there.”

“Let’s call a spade a spade and admit that Senator Obama isn’t ready to lead.”

“Senator Obama wouldn’t pick a ninny as a running mate, would he?”

“Senator Obama, the jig is up.”

“Senator Obama’s record of achievements is a bit niggardly.”

“Some people look at Senator Obama and think ‘African.’ I look at him and think “African’t.’”

Hey, what could go wrong?


31 posted on 09/12/2008 12:31:46 AM PDT by Thomas W.
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To: 1955Ford

The people in the audience sure took it the same way and you could hear the laughter and applause. It wasn’t only the Republicans who knew what he meant.


32 posted on 09/12/2008 12:33:07 AM PDT by Texas Mom (Two places you're always welcome. Church and Grandma's house.)
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To: 1955Ford

Hussein Obama COMPLETELY knew what he was doing, and clearly intended to refer to Palin.

He stopped. Put his hand over his forehead then held it there, looking at the crowd meaningfully, then said it with a very clear sneer.

He meant every word.


33 posted on 09/12/2008 12:36:48 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 95 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: antceecee

“It is a common expression, but Obama knew and his core audience KNEW what he was referring to. Couple the PIG comment (referring to Palin) with the “old FISH” comment that was meant to refer to McCain and voila... classic smear... coming from the messiah of CHANGE!!!”

Exactly. McCain is clearly being referred to as the”old fish wrapped in paper” and Palin as the”pig wearing lipstick”. Obama only contexted these insults in reference to change so that he could deny calling McCain an old fish and Palin a pig. Having said this, it is better to not continue to push this issue. Good that it got media attention, but now is the time to let it rest. Then it can be a seed of doubt that can germinate within the American Consciousness.

It is natural to want to circle the wagons around Sarah, but she is tough. She must prove to the American public that she is up to the challenge of the office she seeks. I have faith in her. Our job is to bring to light the vile and deceit of our opposition but not react to it. No demands for apologies or any of that. That only makes us appear weak and petty.


34 posted on 09/12/2008 1:05:46 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: awaken2spirit

In my family and in my public life... I’m all for calling someone on bad behavior. Just sets things straight for the future.
The problem with discourse in politics today is that the GOP is so afraid of calling the other side on their bad behavior... so as in any situation where a grievance goes unnoticed, it escalates.
It is not whining,weak or petty to point out the despicable.


35 posted on 09/12/2008 1:13:04 AM PDT by antceecee (LarryKing,CNN,MSNBC,KatieCouric et.al...: Our daughter's lives are none of your freakin' business!)
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To: 1955Ford
From Obama’s web site it says twice “she is lipstick on a pig”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/lynnehrlicher

But that isn’t the best part. They were calling Palin lipstick on a pig before the RNC:
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cgsq

36 posted on 09/12/2008 1:27:16 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: 1955Ford
after reading all these comments, I change my mind again. I guess the laughter gives it away as an intended insult to Palin. Obama’s staff must have thought this one up and must have thought it to be pretty clever.

Glad you saw reason in the end. My first impulse after hearing it was "what the hell?" because the line was used on obama campaign websites days before, even explicitly referring to Palin as a pig. Also, he insulted Palin twice - the stinky fish comment is an allusion to old smelly ho's.

37 posted on 09/12/2008 1:54:34 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: antceecee

“The problem with discourse in politics today is that the GOP is so afraid of calling the other side on their bad behavior... so as in any situation where a grievance goes unnoticed, it escalates.”

Absolutely true. The left has been conditioning the American citizenry for decades. Conservatives are evil, racist, warmongers, the party of the rich, destroyers of the environment, ignorant, and on and on and on ad nauseum.

A lie repeated often enough becomes a public assumption. Having failed to effectively challenge the veracity of their lies and propaganda. Just as Islam has infiltrated Britain, so the left has infiltrated us, The Media, Hollywood, our schools and universities. All infected.

America died while smoking a joint and wishing for peace on earth.


38 posted on 09/16/2008 12:53:18 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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