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Tattletale Pranks and Kindergarten Pursuits
12 September, 2008 | joanie-f

Posted on 09/11/2008 10:57:32 PM PDT by joanie-f

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Most conservatives decry the ‘bread and circuses’ atmosphere of modern politics, principally because the consistent focus on meaningless pursuits takes the citizens’ focus away from the important issues … even crises … that must be considered, and faced, if we are to remain a free society.

Our Founders continually warned that liberty, and the republican form of government that is best suited to ensure it, can only be maintained through an informed citizenry.

Wisdom and knowledge, as well as virtue, diffused generally among the body of the people, are necessary for the preservation of their rights and liberties.

Many of us consider the ‘bread and circuses’ nature of modern American society to be most frequently exhibited in our adulation of the Hollywood crowd, professional sports figures, and reality programming, the accumulation of creature comforts, the me-oriented nature of the citizenry, the need to ‘be entertained’, etc. … with an incremental de-emphasis on genuine heroes, the importance of personal character and responsibility, and a sense of civic duty ... which includes being educated about our history, and concerned about our future as a free society.

I completely agree that all of the above trends have increased in intensity over the past fifty years, and that, if they continue to gain momentum, our very lives, liberties and sovereignty as a nation are in grave danger.

A sub-level of this toxic trend has become glaringly apparent over the past few weeks of the election campaign.

Our republic is facing potentially deadly crises the likes of which there is no historical precedent:

... and on and on, ad infinitum ...

One would think that, with one of the (if not the) most crucial presidential elections in the history of our republic approaching in fewer than eight weeks, the crises mentioned above would be foremost on the minds of every American who intends to step into the voting booth on November 4th. And, even more importantly, one would think that the American media (the self-appointed purveyors of information and education) would be hard at work seeking, and reporting, the candidates’ opinions on, and proposed solutions to, all of the above.

Yet what do we predominantly see and hear in all of our media outlets? What are we being subliminally told is of utmost importance in this crucial election?

Many of my conservative friends, all of whom are true patriots, have voiced the opinion over the past few days that they are glad Barack Obama and the left are ‘getting a taste of their own medicine’ via the production of the new RNC ad that plays off of Obama’s lipstick/pig gaffe, and they are pleased with all of the attention his gaffe, whether innocent or purposeful, is receiving.

I could not possibly disagree more vehemently.

By producing such an ad, and even debating Obama’s intent – indeed, by even giving credence to this story – conservatives are accomplishing three fatal outcomes:

(1) they are legitimizing the bread and circus atmosphere in this election process
(2) they are stealing a worthless page out of the left’s playbook
(3) they are spending major campaign funds on nonsense advertising that would be better spent educating the public about issues of critical importance to our republic

On my list of 'Things I Want the Voting Public to Know about Barack Obama That the Media Aren't Reporting', there are 8,563 items ahead of the fact that he may (or may not) have referred to his opponent as a pig.

I think the McCain campaign, and the RNC, should be telling us about those 8,563 things in their campaign ads, and leave the lipstick remark to those who believe it has some importance in the grand scheme of things. The fact that they have wasted the donations of loyal Republicans on such nonsense is infuriating to me.

The media, academia, and the political left profit from such abject stupidity. It allows them to fill the airwaves with such drivel, and to scrupulously avoid discussion of Barack Obama’s dark, longstanding connections to anti-American zealots and his agenda to impose his Marxist/black separatist ideology on a populace that has been programmed to be preoccupied with ‘looking the other way’.

Half of the American electorate is ready to put such a man in the White House. And I believe that ninety percent of that group possesses no real knowledge of his infamous background or his ultra-left-leaning agenda.

Why have so many of our countrymen fallen into such an ignorant stupor? Because, for fifty years, we have allowed the leftists in the media, our institutions of ‘higher education’, and Hollywood to incrementally turn our focus away from the enemy within ... and toward tattletale pranks and kindergarten pursuits.

I don't give a rat's patoot what derogatory label one candidate may affix to another. What I do care about is whether that candidate intends to dismantle the noble foundations upon which my country was built.

And the media be damned.

We're going to pay a terrible price for allowing ourselves to be so pliant in the hands of those who most certainly do not have our best interests at heart.

~ joanie


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1 posted on 09/11/2008 10:57:32 PM PDT by joanie-f
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To: betty boop; tet68; Quix; del4hope; B4Ranch; Smokin' Joe; TigersEye; EternalVigilance; ...
Insights solicited, pro or con. :)

~ joanie

2 posted on 09/11/2008 10:59:38 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

I thought tonight’s summit on Service settled the issue. All we need is more Serfdom, er, Service, and everything’ll be alright.

How come the networks never air summits on how government service makes things worse? How come evertything that features politicians gets media coverage. Wait, before you answer that the media is the government’s watchdog, remember, press coverage only lends them legitimacy. I want to live in a world where people realize that the world is moved by an extended order of unconscious cooperation, and that all the government does is step in at the end of the process and move around the pieces.


3 posted on 09/11/2008 11:06:17 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: joanie-f

Well done.

The Roman Empire subsisted for four centuries on bread and circuses. It looks like our leaders are following their model.

America seems to have peaked some time between 1965 when Johnson debased the coinage and sought to make government dependents of the poor, and 1970 when Nixon canceled the Apollo program and adopted a strategy of deceit and defeat in Indochina.

Leaders since then have tried, sometimes heroically, to arrest the decline but the institutional rot has set in and I can find no historical precedent for reversing the trend.


4 posted on 09/11/2008 11:25:02 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: joanie-f

Excellent, Joanie! You make some very valid points that I hadn’t considered, and some that have angered us conservatives for years. Thanks for the ping.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 11:39:26 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
I agree. We saw the pep-rally going during the Republican Primaries, and it is still here. My only reservation about Sarah Palin, who seems to be genuine, is that she will not wield the pen that makes the stroke that becomes 'law of the land' or vetoes a bill.

Instead, I get the impression that a candidate many found to be an honorable serviceman turned politician and thought by a significant proportion of the Conservative electorate to be only palatable in light of the Socialist alternative has dropped off the radar.

He is conveniently upstaged, as is his position on Amnesty, the First Amendment, and a host of other issues which rendered him far less than desireable were there a viable alternative.

We know she is pro-gun, but where does he stand, exactly, even as judges are parsing Heller to uphold virtually any restriction on a right which "shall not be infringed".

Multiply the vagueness surrounding the nominee by the number of issues and you have what we are not hearing about from the candidate.

The tabloid atmosphere surrounding the election further promotes the disappearance from discussion of the very liberal policy history of the more Conservative of the major party candidates--not to mention any but the most vague references to his opponent's specific stance on any issues but 'hope and change'.

This seems like lean fare upon which to make an informed decision, and is made worse by the outrageous distortions of the media when some matter of substance leaks through the fluff and nonsense they publish.

Add in an electorate either virulently partisan or too distracted to be paying any more attention than they must, and it is likely that the next 'leader of the free world' will be decided by people who will figure out who they will vote for by counting road signs on the way to the polls.

6 posted on 09/12/2008 12:14:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: joanie-f
Most conservatives decry the ‘bread and circuses’ atmosphere of modern politics, principally because the consistent focus on meaningless pursuits takes the citizens’ focus away from the important issues … even crises … that must be considered, and faced, if we are to remain a free society.

I'm afraid that one of the most important issues, a crisis even, is the ignorance of the foundations of this nation. It is difficult to have a serious political discourse in this nation when 90% of the electorate don't really have a clue as to what the founders intended.

It would be nice if important issues were addressed during an election but it's really not the time for education. Both sides are intent on winning and victory will go to the one who fights hardest, smartest and best. But the fight has to be waged on the ground we find ourselves on.

The left has fought hard to pull all discourse onto this "bread and circuses" field of battle. Sure, Republicans have gladly played the cheap and dirty game too but don't kid yourself. The left has to drag things away from real issues and into platitudes and scandals because their agenda is to do away with the republic for which we stand.

I'm not saying you are wrong. You are exactly right and, as usual, you hit all the points with precision and eloquence. I don't even like McCain enough to root for him but this 0bama turd needs to be sent back to his jr. seat in the Senate.

On that score I have to give John McCain props for running a winning campaign that started from behind. Right now at least I think he's demonstrating an ability to lead and command. He is taking the Chosen One apart very skillfully. First he had to deal with the Plastic Fantastic media construction of a candidate that 0bama was. McCain has done that. Perhaps now he can force 0bama to fight on his ground. A more serious ground. Sarah Palin sure laid out the geography of the battle field.

That's my two cents.

7 posted on 09/12/2008 12:46:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Buckhead of the Bikini-clad Barracuda)
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To: joanie-f
Most excellent! I've got my mind on other things right now, like a little blow out in the Gulf, with some of my people in harm's way; grandbabies amongst 'em. Living in a place with an elevation of under 15' with an imminent storm surge of 20' accompanied by 25' - 30' waves; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do the math. UPDATE: One just called and said they're on there way outta there(w/3 grandbabies)! The other 2 grandbabies are headed to the Dallas area with son-in-law. One daughter can't leave - ER nurse who unfortunately was on the schedule. BUT she will be staying at the hospital which is more or less high and dry. Whew!

Maybe I can get some sleep now. In fact, I've all of a sudden gotten really sleepy so I'll just make a quick point and run on. I would REALLY appreciate you putting your considerable writing talents to a "states' rights" piece. Nothing will change in D.C. until we wrest the power away from them and somehow get it back in the states where it belongs.

Goodnight, er, good morning...

8 posted on 09/12/2008 4:47:39 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Add in an electorate either virulently partisan or too distracted to be paying any more attention than they must, and it is likely that the next 'leader of the free world' will be decided by people who will figure out who they will vote for by counting road signs on the way to the polls.

Your entire post is very well conceived and expressed, and there's not a word with which I disagree.

I am far from pleased with the man at the top of the ticket, primarily because I vehemently disagree with the theory behind, and the ramifications of, McCain-Feingold, and because of his stance on illegal immigration/amnesty -- but also because his views on so many other important issues (chief among them, the right to keep and bear arms and the pseudo-need to address global warming) are troubling or unclear.

As for your comment above, that is precisely why the 'get out the vote' campaigns are appalling. If a citizen needs to be prodded to go to the voting booth, then perhaps he shouldn't be voting at all.

~ joanie

9 posted on 09/12/2008 5:48:29 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
Yeah yeah I agree theres things afoote that would rankle the hair on a dogs back..

What I want to know is how did the arch weasle John McLaim become the "conservative" candidate for President.. instead of the obvious conservatives.. I have been clapping and clapping for Sara Palin the last few days.. until it dawned on me that I've been slipped a "mickey".. I've been BRAIN WASHED... Just like with voting first for the idiot George Bush against the cretin Al Gore then to top that off I voted for the known idiot George Bush over an obvious traitor and lying sack of you know what AGAIN.. And NOW I'am willing to vote for the arch weasle John McLaim over another empty suit masquerading as KingFish from Amos n' Andy..

(looking into the mirror.. I don't look right)..
To self: I may be drugged or brain washed.. I never was too smart... Heck I voted for George Bush twice his father a few times and even his brother when I lived in Florida.. Who chooses the opponents for these liberal republican candidates anyway?.. I know.. maybe I'm a SHeeple... thats it.. I'm a sheeple.. And have the "bleating" government I deserve..

10 posted on 09/12/2008 5:50:35 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Tublecane
I thought tonight’s summit on Service settled the issue. All we need is more Serfdom, er, Service, and everything’ll be alright.

I love well-placed sarcasm. :)

I watched the 'summit' tonight, until I heard Barack Obama begin talking about his plans to have 'government work in conjuction with' the people of America in order to provide for the less fortunate. Anyone with half a brain knows that that altruistic phrasing simply justifies the continuing incremental imposition of his socialist utopia.

'Government working in conjunction with the people' simply boils down to income redistribution at the point of a gun.

You may already be familiar with it, but Davey Crockett (of all people), delivered a stirring speech on the floor of the House regarding Congress' usurpation of power in that regard. Even though the speech was delivered nearly two hundred years ago, I've yet to read a more accurate, hard-hitting analysis of the subject.

Thanks for the excellent insights.

~ joanie

11 posted on 09/12/2008 6:01:44 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

Decent points.

And, I’d be disappointed to see our side err tooooo much with such stuff.

On the other hand, some folks don’t even wake-up, much less pay attention until one speaks their language.

Not that THAT should excuse wholesale stooping to their level.

Certainly there are dozens and dozens of hugely important crises here and looming which the globalists are very skillful at distracting from with the bread, brainwashing and circuses routines.


12 posted on 09/12/2008 6:07:04 AM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Leaders since then have tried, sometimes heroically, to arrest the decline but the institutional rot has set in and I can find no historical precedent for reversing the trend.

I suspect you're familiar with the eighteenth-century historian, Alexander Tytler's, description of the inevitable, self-destructive cyle of all the world's democracies (not that we are one, mind you, but we're close enough):

As I see it, we're sitting at the penultimate stage. And, as you say, it's the historical inevitability of it all that's so maddening.

~ joanie

13 posted on 09/12/2008 6:08:26 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Minuteman23

Thanks for the kind words, MM. :)


14 posted on 09/12/2008 6:09:26 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: TigersEye
I'm afraid that one of the most important issues, a crisis even, is the ignorance of the foundations of this nation. It is difficult to have a serious political discourse in this nation when 90% of the electorate don't really have a clue as to what the founders intended.

Beautifully said!

Whenever a friend tells me that he believes 'the American people' will rise up in defiance when the enemies of liberty cross the final line, I am forced to remind him that 'the American people' aren't what they used to be, as a result of your observation above.

For fifty years our public education system has been incrementally hijacked by left-leaning ideologues, with the result being that American history, if taught at all, is assuming an increasingly revisionist bent.

Each succeeding generation of American youth knows less and less about their noble roots, or has been indoctrinated with anti-American lies.

Adding to that the fact that we continue to allow the invasion of illegal immigration that is pouring across our southern border -- people who either bear no allegiance to this country, or, worse yet, seek its destruction -- and the percentage of the population that knows from whence we came is decreasing with every passing day.

As our liberties continue to be stolen from us, each succeeding generation sees government intrusion as a fact of life. You can't mourn the loss of something you never knew.

~ joanie

15 posted on 09/12/2008 6:18:04 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: ForGod'sSake
FGS, I am so sorry to hear that so many of your family members are in Ike's path. Please know that my husband and I will keep them in our prayers over the next few days and weeks. And please let me know (if only by private reply) how they are doing as the storm progresses.

God's blessings to you and yours ...

~ joanie

16 posted on 09/12/2008 6:21:04 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: hosepipe
I often feel as you do. Your combination of hope and anger is shared by many genuine conservatives.

I wrote the following on another thread recently, as to how I am able to justify supporting the Republican ticket:

We may well be in for a tragic four years no matter who wins this election, unless McCain recognizes that it was the genuine gun-toting, church-going heart of the republican party that put him into office ... and that he owes them ... and that he had better make a sharp right turn if he expects not to lose their support during his term in office.

He did, after all, select one of them as his running mate. Neither you nor I is fool enough to believe he did that because he and Palin are kindred spirits/ideological soul-mates. He did that because he knew he couldn’t win without us. And he must know he will lose us, once again, if he returns to RINO business as usual.

At the same time, I am not, and never have been, a Pollyanna. If I were taking bets, I’d bet that Sarah Palin will wield only as much power in a McCain administration as she is able to demand. Significant power will not be delegated to her, but neither is she one who will be content with thumb-twiddling. And I’d also be willing to bet that, should McCain win, November 5th will not mark a right turn of any significance in his ideology.

With that said ...

As I see it we are faced with the election of Obama/Biden, which might well spell the end of freedom and sovereignty in America. It won’t take more than four years for that to occur under O/B.

Or we are faced with the election of McCain/Palin. That eventuality is entirely different than the election of McCain/AnyoneElse might have been.

As I have written on my blog countless times, I probably would have stayed home, or written in the name of Ronald Reagan in protest, on November 4th had I been faced with an Obama/Biden vs. McCain/AnyoneElse choice.

But what a difference two weeks can make.

Palin is a staunch right-wing ideologue. And an activist staunch right-wing ideologue – not simply a pundit/philosopher/orator. She has an extensive (considering the amount of time she has held office) list of resounding successes to show for her conservative activism. She’s a dying breed, for sure.

She will not allow herself to be a passive vice president. And she will make noise if she is ordered to assume that posture. And she will have every right to do so, because she will have played a pivotal (vast understatement) role in the election of John McCain.

John McCain is seventy-two years old. Sarah Palin is forty-four.

This no longer boils down to the quadrennial ‘voting for the lesser of two evils’ conundrum, which I have vowed never to be a party to again. For the first time in twenty-four years, we have a genuine conservative on the ballot. No, she is not in the top spot. But she is there. The Republican ticket contains a fighter who is willing ... in fact determined ... to reclaim America’s status as a ‘shining city on a hill’. And, no matter the odds against her succeeding, I’ll be damned if I won’t do everything within my power to provide her a chance to do so!

If she fails ... if she is prevented from making a difference ... it won’t be because I wasn’t willing to afford her the opportunity ... what I see as the last opportunity for a genuine conservative to reverse the course of our suicidal journey into oblivion.

~ joanie

17 posted on 09/12/2008 6:25:56 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Quix
On the other hand, some folks don’t even wake-up, much less pay attention until one speaks their language.

Many of my conservative friends have said the same thing.

I do agree, to a point. But, if we resort to 'speaking their language', we're altering the playing field to their advantage. The left will always win a battle in which superficiality and deception are the weapons. We just don't have it in us to trump them in that regard.

I don't believe it's ever advantageous to give up the moral high ground, especially when confronting people who are longstanding experts at low-ground tactics.

~ joanie

18 posted on 09/12/2008 6:30:07 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

Mostly agree about the moral high ground.

Just maybe not 100% in every case.

I think a lot of stuff is silly spoof level stuff.

Tossing some of that back and forth doesn’t compromise any moral high ground, to me.

But the line is thin in many places! LOL.

Thx.


19 posted on 09/12/2008 6:32:55 AM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: joanie-f
Very nice as usual, Joanie!

Thanks for the ping.

20 posted on 09/12/2008 6:42:39 AM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: joanie-f
You see thru me like a pane of glass.. Thats o.k. I never lied very good.. My Momma always knew when I did.. I tried too BUT alas really sucked at lieing.. So I just am brutally honest.. Knowing, I will get caught anyway..

I suppose I will vote for McLaim even though I said I wouldn't.. My hope is that if Sara gets wind of any conniving by McLaim she will threaten to rat him out or even to RESIGN.. or BOTH.. Even though she might end up in FT Marcy Park.. with Park Rangers running the murder investigation like with Vince Foster.. you know investigating a murder on their bicycles, as they did..

True.. a Vice President can be sequestered from reality.. the reality of whats really going on.. but thats my hope.. AT least Sara Palin is for real.. I asked her if she was a RINO.. She said ... NO.. I believe her.. Especially after what she did In Juneau.. She when thru that place like a dose of Ex-Lax.. but still hasn't removed all the corrupted democrats.. Sequestering HER just might be a task the McLaim administration is not up too.. If she feels shes just window dressing she might get a bit upset.. LoL..

Consider the outcome of that senario.. Sara Palin RESIGNING in disgust.. On the otherhand maybe John McLaim got conservative religion.. {pause}...

NAH!.. but dreams can happen.. even miracles with proper prayer.. I'm praying for that girl.. Joan.. Cause no doubt in my mind she needs it.. Prayer for this election is needed too.. However I don't believe in miracles, I rely on them..

21 posted on 09/12/2008 6:52:59 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: joanie-f

A couple of questions:

1. Why are you surprised? What do you expect out of the McCain campaign? Its purveyors, while maintaining a “Republican” label, are of the same exact ilk as the James Carvilles and Paul Begalas of the Democrat Party. All they care about is power, and they will do whatever they think they need to do to obtain it.

2. If you’re infuriated now, how will you control yourself as McCain’s George Soros-funded handlers take their predictable and inevitable steps to continue the destruction of our free republic? How will you handle your share of the guilt for empowering them?

A couple of comments:

McCain has already told you exactly what he will do: “Reach across the aisle.” He won’t save a single baby. In fact, he will ever more deeply entrench the respectability and acceptability of the perpetration of the holocaust, giving credence to the very lies that protect it. He won’t protect marriage or the natural family. He won’t defend our unalienable rights, or the rights to the Blessings of Liberty of our posterity. He scoffs at such notions. John McCain is still John McCain, no matter how many good people lend their reputations to covering for him. Once he has what he wants he’ll discard you like soiled and torn clothing. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

The fairy tale wishes that conservatives are projecting on John McCain right now are shocking in their quality and scope. It’s a mass self-delusion of biblical proportions.


22 posted on 09/12/2008 7:26:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: joanie-f
Palin is a staunch right-wing ideologue. And an activist staunch right-wing ideologue – not simply a pundit/philosopher/orator. She has an extensive (considering the amount of time she has held office) list of resounding successes to show for her conservative activism. She’s a dying breed, for sure.

Sarah Palin has no conception of the true role of the executive, or the ways in which the judicial supremacist mindset is destroying the core of American principle and liberty. One of her first acts in office, which checked the legislative branch and empowered a tyrannical out-of-control judiciary which was laying claim to judicial, legislative and executive power, prove this, and her subsequent words in this regard confirm it.

This is no small thing, joanie. It's the exact same fallacy that lies at the root of the implementation of gay marriage, the stripping of the Ten Commandments from the public square, and the judicial murder of Terri Schindler Schiavo.

In the world she is helping to create, judicial oligarchs rule. Not We the People. Not God. Not the rule of law. In this world, the Constitution is a dead letter, and so is liberty.

23 posted on 09/12/2008 7:44:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: EternalVigilance
[ The fairy tale wishes that conservatives are projecting on John McCain right now are shocking in their quality and scope. It’s a mass self-delusion of biblical proportions. ]

No it isn't.. at least with many of us..
Social Security is pure socialism.. PURE.. America is already a socialist country.. The capitialization of socialism or the Socialization of Capitalism is well advanced.. like in China and India, and Europe and Canada..

24 posted on 09/12/2008 7:52:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

The encroachments of socialism, the sapping of the foundations of liberty, the erosion of the very footings of our free republic, are all well-advanced, yes.

And conservatives have now been suckered so badly, manipulated by fear, that they are carrying the shovels for the most productive sapper of all, John McCain. It’s astounding.


25 posted on 09/12/2008 7:57:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: joanie-f
The Left's Gramscian 'Long March' through all of our institutions has been largely successful. For proof, just take a trip down to your nearest public school and demand to see the history curriculum and teaching guides. If you aren't stonewalled and removed from the premises, that'll tell you all you need to know.

Who was it who said that the tragedy of modern American education wasn't that we were turning out ignoramuses, but that were were turning out savages.

2000 years or so ago, Titus Livy, in his introduction to his monumental history of Rome remarked that his purpose in writing was "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

We may yet have a last shot at curing ourselves of our 'vices' - the rot of MArxism and modern liberalism - and that's with a McCain/Palin win. It would at least be a start, a step in the right direction. We have no shot at all with an Obamanation win.

26 posted on 09/12/2008 8:00:16 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: joanie-f

Bookmark for later study. Looks promising.


27 posted on 09/12/2008 8:01:28 AM PDT by gitmo (Some days you're the dog. Some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: EternalVigilance
[ And conservatives have now been suckered so badly, manipulated by fear, that they are carrying the shovels for the most productive sapper of all, John McCain. It’s astounding. ]

Barring a bloody civil war or revolution what would you do?.. Not VOTE?.. I can see making a statement.. by not voting.. But not this time.. The thought of Sara Palin resigning the Vice Presidency.. is just too possible.. An unheard of move.. Historical.. and generating conversation of historical scope.. Will John McLaim veer conservative?, maybe, but probably not.. The horns of a dilema is waiting to gore someone.. Shocking so-called "conservatives" into seeing they are in fact socialists.. Ripping naked conservatives in their ivory towers.. Change can happen.. All because of Palin-esque political moves?.. YES..

Conservatives are not as conservative as they think they are, I think.. The KING is quite naked.. and has a small member besides.. A Palin resignation could speak it..

28 posted on 09/12/2008 8:25:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: joanie-f; EternalVigilance; TigersEye
As I read the replies from others on this thread, I was relieved when I read EternalVigilance's words. He has spoken my thoughts very clearly, perhaps more so than I could have said them.

TigersEye said, "I'm afraid that one of the most important issues, a crisis even, is the ignorance of the foundations of this nation. It is difficult to have a serious political discourse in this nation when 90% of the electorate don't really have a clue as to what the founders intended."

He didn't say that of the 10% remainder, 8% are above retirement age. Three quarters of the 2% left choose to live in the back country where they aren't bothered by fools like us. In our hearts we know we're fighting for a lost cause but it's too painful to admit it so we refuse to lay down and die quietly. That's the way some of us are, too proud to give up the fight because that would mean our entire lives were wasted. Grasp whatever satisfaction you can from knowing that you were one of the few who truly loved America and what she once stood for.

Hold His hand and let Him guide you.

29 posted on 09/12/2008 8:43:09 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: hosepipe
Every word a gem ...

But this I'll remember forever:

However I don't believe in miracles, I rely on them.

Sincere thanks, hosepipe.

~ joanie

30 posted on 09/12/2008 8:46:50 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: hosepipe

Sarah Palin is not Douglas McArthur.


31 posted on 09/12/2008 8:48:09 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: EternalVigilance
EV, I cannot argue with your comments about McCain, other than the degree that you distrust him.

But I cannot share your view of Palin. At the risk of appearing simplistic, can we not overlook what we might see as one flaw (no matter how glaring it may appear), because a myriad of positive achievements and character traits dwarf that shortcoming? I strongly suspect that the errors you perceive in her governance are not the result of any allegiance to a sinister ideology, but rather something much less wicked [I'll let others fill in the blank here, because I don't want to provide fodder for those whose wish to detract from her record or her potential].

You ask me, how will you handle your share of the guilt for empowering them?

I supported every genuine (and some not-so-genuine, but significantly moreso than McCain) Republican primary candidate we had (financially -- to varying degrees, in my writing, and in talking to as many people as I humanly could in my daily walk), until they all bit the dust, leaving only McCain standing once the dust settled.

I also spoke to everyone who would listen about Alan Keyes, and, in all but a handful of cases, there was absolutely no interest in his candidacy. I always received the same responses: (1) he has no name recognition, (2) a conservative black hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell, (3) he's too Christianity-focused, or (4) simply polite, but distrated, attention. I'm not saying their reaction was right or justified (far from it!), simply that that was the reception the mention of his candidacy engendered. That reaction, in small part, serves as a good example of the subject of the essay at the head of this thread.

No, I will not feel guilty about empowering Sarah Palin, and I cannot seek purism at this pivotal juncture in our history.

I wrote the above to hosepipe, and I'll repeat it here:

___________________

[Despite the chinks in her armor ... ] This no longer boils down to the quadrennial ‘voting for the lesser of two evils’ conundrum, which I have vowed never to be a party to again. For the first time in twenty-four years, we have a genuine conservative on the ballot. No, she is not in the top spot. But she is there. The Republican ticket contains a fighter who is willing ... in fact determined ... to reclaim America’s status as a ‘shining city on a hill’. And, no matter the odds against her succeeding, I’ll be damned if I won’t do everything within my power to provide her a chance to do so!

If she fails ... if she is prevented from making a difference ... it won’t be because I wasn’t willing to afford her the opportunity ... what I see as the last opportunity for a genuine conservative to reverse the course of our suicidal journey into oblivion.

___________________

You have a patriot's heart. I don't say that to many people, and I hold you in the highest regard, but, since two weeks ago, we do see this election from a different perspective.

~ joanie

32 posted on 09/12/2008 9:14:46 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
What Sarah Palin didn't say
33 posted on 09/12/2008 9:18:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: joanie-f

The finest wine, used in the service of making it desirable for you to drink poison, should be avoided.


34 posted on 09/12/2008 9:22:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: joanie-f

One last question: Who is using Sarah Palin, and to what purpose?


35 posted on 09/12/2008 9:23:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: joanie-f
“You can put lipstick on a pig. It’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”

A woman who may be a VP is “a pig?” A senior senator is “an old fish” who will “stink?”

Not for one minute would I let Obama forget this one. He's a punk, and the sooner the country knows it, the better.

36 posted on 09/12/2008 9:30:42 AM PDT by GVnana ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery.")
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To: Noumenon
I saw Larry Schweikart interviewed on FoxNews this morning. He has written a new book entitled, ‘Forty-Eight Liberal Lies About American History That You Probably Learned at School’. He listed the boldface lies that are contained in many widely-used American textbooks: from the fact that Gorbachev single-handedly ended the Cold War, to the fact that Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative was an utter failure, and on and on ad infinitum ...

I was fortunate enough to have attended public school in the late fifties and sixties, long before the Marxist/socialist cancer achieved a major foothold in public school curricula. During that era, American students were primarily taught how to think rather than what to think.

I teach piano and tutor math. In doing so over the last thirty-five years, I have discovered a very disturbing trend. The large majority of the public school (as opposed to parochial school or home-schooled) students I deal with on a daily basis, no matter there innate ability to learn, have great difficult getting from Point A to Point B without a distinct road map. They have been ‘taught’ to need a hand to hold. Unless they have come across a nearly identical problem or challenge, they haven’t the vaguest idea about how to go about solving it.

Such wasn’t the case years ago. The ability to apply critical thought and individual analytical ability were considered the hallmark if a successful education. Not so anymore. Owning such a tool is a distinct threat to the powers that be.

2000 years or so ago, Titus Livy, in his introduction to his monumental history of Rome remarked that his purpose in writing was "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

Your italics are chilling in their accurate application to modern American society.

~ joanie

37 posted on 09/12/2008 9:34:51 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

“...we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them”

Rome did neither and fell.


38 posted on 09/12/2008 9:54:37 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: B4Ranch
[ Sarah Palin is not Douglas McArthur. ]

Either was Doug.. he used the press like rented donkeys..

39 posted on 09/12/2008 10:36:53 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: EternalVigilance
[ What Sarah Palin didn't say ]

If she did say it, she would be cleaning out the offices of the Ron Paul campaign headquarters.. America doesnt really want a conservative.. Sara is getting the votes of many women that havn't really thought this Palin(thing) out.. They wouldnt vote for a man with the same views.. probably..

Ron Paul was the ONLY real conservative in this cycle..
America does not want him.. Ron Paul is TOO honest.. He don't know when to CAN IT.. shut up.. appear a bit moderate.. Thats why Sara Palin beat a big time republican and a sneaky corrupt socialist democrat to the be Governor.. both of them were well financed.. AND THEN she set out to upset the chess board in Juneau.. AFTER she won..

40 posted on 09/12/2008 10:59:53 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Bah. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, not a moral conservative.


41 posted on 09/12/2008 12:55:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: pandoraou812; B4Ranch; joanie-f; EternalVigilance; hosepipe; Quix; Noumenon
He (TigersEye) didn't say that of the 10% remainder, 8% are above retirement age. Three quarters of the 2% left choose to live in the back country where they aren't bothered by fools like us. In our hearts we know we're fighting for a lost cause but it's too painful to admit it so we refuse to lay down and die quietly. That's the way some of us are, too proud to give up the fight because that would mean our entire lives were wasted. Grasp whatever satisfaction you can from knowing that you were one of the few who truly loved America and what she once stood for.

You are exactly right, B4Ranch. I don't think of us as fools but we may be. Like you I couldn't just hide in the back woods to save my own skin while the Great Experiment was bulldozed into oblivion. Like joanie-f I rejoice in finding like-minded patriots and I'm excited by the idea that Sarah Palin may have real substance in that area. Even more so I like that she has re-infused enthusiasm in conservatives. Like Eternal Vigilance I am not happy with half-stepping consolations to the conservative view and I remain wary and unconvinced that the Republican Party will do any more than pander to it. Like hosepipe and Quix I have to keep checking myself to see if I'm succumbing to a personal desire and swallowing some tasty looking bait. Like Noumenon I see the march of history repeating itself in years of actions and inactions that set up certain inevitable consequences.

I think all of us see and feel all of those things and process and express them as our individual personalities and experiences lead us to. Are we fools railing against the prevailing wind who ought to hunker down and let it pass? I don't think so. The wind in that analogy is created by men so we are not helpless creatures merely subject to its coming and going. If other men created this ill left wind then we are equally endowed to create and direct political winds of our own. We can weigh the odds of success and let that determine whether to participate or not. Had our founding fathers done that there never would have been an America. Either the cause is worthy of risk and effort or it isn't. That is a decision of conscience. Beyond that; how to accomplish our aims will always draw many opinions until a clear path rises above the many. But if we all withdraw from the fight, whether from fear, disgust or impenetrable confusion, there will be no one offering an idea of what to do. No lieutenants left to raise the banner and lead the charge against the black tide of tyranny that IS advancing on us. Even those tucked "safely" in their off-grid hideaways.

Big talk but that's the only thing I can think of in response to the views expressed here. Views that were all well expressed and heartfelt IMO.

42 posted on 09/12/2008 1:54:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Buckhead of the Bikini-clad Barracuda)
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To: joanie-f

I agree. McCain/Palin should take the high road and not roll in the mud with Obama. (Sorry to continue the pig theme.)


43 posted on 09/12/2008 2:01:44 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: TigersEye
[ No lieutenants left to raise the banner and lead the charge against the black tide of tyranny that IS advancing on us. Even those tucked "safely" in their off-grid hideaways. ]

The eye of the tiger is always watching.. and taking names..

44 posted on 09/12/2008 2:30:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

I know they’ve got my name but do they have my number? ;^)


45 posted on 09/12/2008 2:47:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Buckhead of the Bikini-clad Barracuda)
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To: joanie-f; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; YHAOS; metmom; tet68; Quix; del4hope; B4Ranch; Smokin' Joe; ...
One would think that, with one of the (if not the) most crucial presidential elections in the history of our republic approaching in fewer than eight weeks, the crises mentioned above would be foremost on the minds of every American who intends to step into the voting booth on November 4th. And, even more importantly, one would think that the American media (the self-appointed purveyors of information and education) would be hard at work seeking, and reporting, the candidates’ opinions on, and proposed solutions to, all of the above.

One would think, indeed!

And indeed, your list of impending crises couldn't be more complete.

But the fact is the news media no longer considers that it is in the business of fairly informing the public WRT the news and critical issues of our day. The fact is, these "elite intellectuals" believe that the rest of us are deluded rubes who can't understand anything anyway; so you might as well do "bread and circuses" instead — and elect a "bread and circuses" kind of guy to the presidency of the United States. Which seems to be MSM's main focus these days.

In short, your list of impending crises will never be touched by the MSM. And the reason why is: Barack Obama doesn't see these as crises. (He has "other fish to fry.") Which just goes to show how a radical Left progressive lives in a completely different world than the rest of us.

And the MSM seems almost universally to be giving him cover for his absolute flight from reality. One gathers the MSM just approve of his ideology — which makes them just as crazy and deluded as he is.

Ideologues don't ever deal with the "real." They're trying to "change the world," you see.... To a "better" world — they promise us. (But who's actually to pay for this magical trip to Fantasyland??? And after the wreck of our Republic that a successful Obama candidacy would bring about, what of "normal" American life would be left standing?)

And honestly, I think the reason why the MSM gives Obama cover is, if Obama were really, frankly to tell us what his plans are for the United States (putatively achievable with a complaisant, Democrat-controlled Congress), NOBODY would vote for him! Hence, the distractions of the "bread and circuses," this total charade of what he calls a presidential campaign.

Actually joanie, I rather liked that McCain ad re: lipstick on a pig. To me it reveals Obama's basic character, plus the sort of tactics he is using. Not that the "bread-and-circuses types" out there would see it that way.

Obama's entire appeal to citizens boils down to "what's in it for me?" Which to me suggests his appeal is limited: Not every voter out there votes for personal benefits; many still see that there is such a thing as the national interest. And many such folks clearly recognize that, at this point in time, what is desperately needed is to put the federal checkbook under lock and seal.

Meanwhile, Obama is proposing new spending in the trillions of dollars.... Some of us realize that this is tantamount to a complete government takeover of our national life (political, economic, and cultural) that can only go forward by trashing our constitutional order, and thus our God-given liberties. Which would thenceforth be whatever Obama says they are — no more, no less.

I have noticed that some of the noises that Obama has uttered lately have to do with co-opting certain profound cultural understandings of the American people. For instance, there is a cultural and moral consensus in the mainstream of American life which states that the very definition of a human person is someone who has

"a sense of life beyond the physical and material, beyond mere personal existence. It is the sense of a common world that stretches before and beyond the self, of belonging to something greater than the self, that gives strength not only to community but to the individual as well." — Natan Sharanski, Defending Identity: Its Indispensable Role in Protecting Democracy, 2008.

Obama is absolutely seizing on this theme; it all sounds so very, very good and desirable. But what the people don't know — yet — is that HE would be the one who gets to define this "belonging to something greater than self"; and he would define it in such a way that it would not be OPTIONAL: It would be a case of "get on board, or else." With federal power to back it up.

So much for personal liberty.

Indeed, his constant theme of "community service" is a harbinger of his future plans. Now as I understand it, what Obama's idea of "community service" really boils down to is: training individuals to be effective in making demands on taxpayers. This is hardly the same thing as what Sharansky is talking about....

Just a bunch of stray thoughts, joanie. Hopefully they are coherent.

Thank you ever so much for your beautiful, trenchant essay/post dear sister in Christ!

46 posted on 09/12/2008 2:50:04 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop
>Obama's entire appeal to citizens boils down to "what's in it for me?" Which to me suggests his appeal is limited: Not every voter out there votes for personal benefits; many still see that there is such a thing as the national interest.<

If that was anywhere close to true we would NOT have these two sorry assed candidates even running for office!

The "what's in it for me?" crowd has stepped to the forefront in every city hall meeting that I have listened to. Everybody wants there "fair share". I find this difficult to believe also because I don't think there should be a "fair share" for anyon who hasn't put forth some effort to bring it about.

Ask your friends and strangers if they are concerned with the end of freedom and sovereignty in America. You'll get the strangest looks you can imagine. What in the Sam Hell happened to you, Child? Have you lost your mind. Did you fall and hit your head. You can tell me, what's wrong? Is your husband beating you?

No, Betty, I have asked the question too many times to be surprised at the total disinterest by everyday Americans.

47 posted on 09/12/2008 3:23:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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Everybody wants their (sp) “fair share”.


48 posted on 09/12/2008 3:25:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch
Ask your friends and strangers if they are concerned with the end of freedom and sovereignty in America. You'll get the strangest looks you can imagine

And so????

To me all that means is: Those of us who DO understand this problem have to stop bitching about it, DO something about it, and STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.

49 posted on 09/12/2008 3:46:04 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop

STAND UP AND BE COUNTED as one of the very few who actually care about such things. Most people don’t.


50 posted on 09/12/2008 3:48:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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