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Rumblings In The Jungle Journalists Turn On Charlie Gibson
Friends and fiends at network in NY and DC | MB26

Posted on 09/12/2008 1:03:36 PM PDT by MindBender26

The Rumblings In The Jungle – Journalists Turn On Charlie Gibson.

The phone lines are again rumbling in New York and Washington. The overriding question: Et Tu, Charlie?

I have spoken with a number of old TV journalist friends in last 12 hours. The haze of amazement hanging over the network newsroom is palatable. It’s as if old truths have been proven wrong, old friends abandoned their dearest comrades, and we all awakened up to find out that 2 + 2 really does equals 7.

Charlie Gibson’s (well, he has been “Charlie” for years, but since he apparently is not the man we all thought we knew, perhaps we should drop the familiarity.)

Let’s start again.

Charles Gibson’s interview of Sarah Palin last night was an embarrassment to ABC, journalism in general, television news in particular, and most importantly, to Mr. Gibson himself. It was not an interview. It was a debate, a sucker-punch, loaded debate where one side got to choose the questions, interrupt the other side, and then in conclusion, score the debate and give the audience their slanted interpretation of what it all meant.

The supposed interview was nothing more than a coast-to-coast, satellite-fed game of “gotcha.” ABC could have provided a valuable service to voters. Ms Palin is a newcomer to the national political scene and a realistic attempt to learn her views on important issues would have been very valuable. But last night there was little attempt to elicit Ms Palin’s beliefs on the problems of our time. The “interview” was dominated by loaded questions and sneers of disbelief whenever the Governor dared to give an answer not blessed by the New York-Washington liberal news cabal. Mr. Gibson acted more like a district attorney cross-examining a hostile witness than, dare I use the term, a “journalist” who understood America wanted to hear about Governor Palin’s positions, not his.

A polite note to Mr. Gibson: This was supposed to be an interview, not “Law and Order,” or, as it turned out, “Low and Disorderly.”

Witnesses in the network newsrooms say the reaction to the interview’s airing was akin to the televised reading of the O.J. Simpson verdict. Back then, many African-Americans cheered, while many Whites shook their heads in disbelief.

Last night, the ever-so-hip young producers and news writers, (the ones fresh from the Ivy League thought factories,) cheered; Good Old Mr. Gibson was putting her in her place! How dare this…. this…. this small state governor…. a Republican at that…. how could she ever think she is good enough to be on a national ticket! How could she ever hope to compete against the likes of such Washington Power Moguls such as Obama, Biden, and Clinton, (either Clinton, take your pick.)

Ms Palin, that Governor, that hunter, that right-to-life that weirdo, (psssst… did you know her daughter is pregnant,) well, she had the gall to try for national office without the approval of the national news media…. or as they see themselves…. the People Who Matter.

At ABC, the adolescent smirks ran as high as Sarah Palin’s approval ratings in Alaska.

But there were some who refused to join the chorus. The old guys, (yes, most were guys back then,) the guys who remember how it was years ago were upset and disappointed. These are the ones who remember when facts counted, not the reporter’s opinion.

You see, back about 50 years ago, many reporters were liberals, but a different kind of liberal. Many would take great pains to remove any liberal bias from their stories. The few conservatives, well, we too would ensure our story cut it down the middle, without conservative or liberal bias. We had all learned that in Washington there is plenty of blame, inefficiency, graft and crime to go around. You don’t have to just single out one side of the political scale. The idea was to craft your story so the reader, listener or viewer couldn’t tell which side of the political spectrum you were on. As one of the old Morrow Gang said, “I try to balance my pieces so I get an equal amount of derogatory mail from both sides. When the raving lunatic hate mail is split evenly between the liberals and conservatives, I know I am going a good job.”

That’s all changed now. Back when I started in TV, we would joke that the term “Investigative Journalist” was redundant; that all journalists were expected to be able to conduct a fair and impartial investigation, and we were expected to do so on a regular basis.

Today, it’s all “advocacy journalism.” Reporters think their stories shouldn’t just give viewers the facts. They take steps to color their pieces so viewers act in a certain way. Is the typical reporter now willing to slant a story to help their cause or candidate? Absolutely. If fact, if their story fails to promote their beliefs over others, they see it as a failure.

Which brings us all back to Charl….. make that Mr. Gibson. According to the old rules, Mr. Gibson should have asked the questions, waited for the answers, then let us, the Great Unwashed make up our minds as to who is best qualified. But now we now all know that there is no doubt; Ms. Palin is unqualified. Charles Gibson’s sneer says so.

Up until last night, Charlie Gibson was thought of as the “nicest guy in television.” Tonight, the quiet feelings among some are “Charlie, we hardly knew ya.”

Many of the older guys are not so much angry as they are disappointed. One from CBS was tempted to send Mr. Gibson an e-mail that began, “Dear Dan,”

The old Charlie Gibson was a great guy. We will miss him.


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And Pilosi says they want to instill a "Fairness Doctrine....."
1 posted on 09/12/2008 1:03:37 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

Gibson is a biased jackass. Sarah is qualified to be President. She earned it. Gibson is not qualified to be a reporter. He is where he is as part of a quota system (affirmative action) or political correctness, not because of any great talent.


2 posted on 09/12/2008 1:08:47 PM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: MindBender26

“Goodbye Charlie”


3 posted on 09/12/2008 1:08:50 PM PDT by constant
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To: MindBender26
To the best of my knowledge I have never actually watched charlie gibson. I doubt I'll start now.
4 posted on 09/12/2008 1:09:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: MindBender26

Charlie Gibson, once a journalist , now a political hack............


5 posted on 09/12/2008 1:10:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (If you're not part of the solution, then you must be part of the government............)
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To: MindBender26
"...tempted to send Mr. Gibson an e-mail that began, “Dear Dan,”

Now there is an idea!

(forward him the full Lincoln/God quote)

6 posted on 09/12/2008 1:13:48 PM PDT by norton
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To: All
I used to teach at a college, and I inadvertently was sent a copy of Melvin Mencher’s “News Writing and Reporting,” the Bible of the modern journalism schools.

It immediately tells readers they will be practicing “advocacy journalism” and deteriorates from there.

7 posted on 09/12/2008 1:13:55 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: MindBender26

That was nice. What is the source?


8 posted on 09/12/2008 1:14:43 PM PDT by ChessExpert (If it had been up to Hussein Obama, Saddam Hussein would still be in power)
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To: MindBender26

Well written. You may be getting older but haven’t lost the skills.

Thought of freelancing for WSJ or similar publication?


9 posted on 09/12/2008 1:15:45 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Luke21

they are all competitors. When they play Barack Obama’s softball questions to Sarah’s . backstroke Charlie too bad she gave you ratings.


10 posted on 09/12/2008 1:15:47 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: hinckley buzzard

I watched him years ago when he played second fiddle to Joan Lunden.


11 posted on 09/12/2008 1:15:53 PM PDT by Jackson57
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To: mulligan
Maybe she is, maybe she isn't.

She's not running for that job though. The thought is she would step in in the event of an incapacitation of the POTUS. In reality she is a ticket balancing agent who a nominee will pick to score votes from a constituency or state. Happens all the time.

I wouldn't vote for her as POTUS with her current resume. If she had 1.5-2 terms as governor under her belt then I would most certainly consider her. Her positions on issues work for me but I would like to see more from her. I don't buy the foreign policy BS. I want a proven executive in the job because that's what POTUS is, the ultimate CEO job.

12 posted on 09/12/2008 1:15:59 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: MindBender26

And didn’t you all like the artifice of Charlie wearing his glasses Ben Franklin style while wiggling his feet in annoyance? What an arrogant, condescending little prig!


13 posted on 09/12/2008 1:16:37 PM PDT by mort56
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To: MindBender26
I met my first two PUMAs today.

They started out by trashing Bush and calling him a murderer and railing about how many billions of dollars were being wasted in Iraq. They would have none of my defenses of him and said he was the sorriest excuse for a Christian they had ever seen.

Then, the conversation started to get interesting. They both told me how badly they wanted Hillary! to win this time and how disappointed they were with her loss. Finally, they told me how much they love Sarah Palin -- so much so, that they will now vote for John McCain.

They were also outraged at the way Gibson handled the interview and said there's no way he would have done that if it were a man he was interviewing.

I know this is only two people, and it occurred in reliably red Indiana, but if it is happening here, I am sure it is happening other places as well.

14 posted on 09/12/2008 1:17:36 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: MindBender26

I know I’m repeating myself, but.......

In defense of poor Charlie, he really is like a third-stringer. He’s 65 and got the job he currently has only after one guy died and the next one almost did.


15 posted on 09/12/2008 1:18:00 PM PDT by John W
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To: MindBender26

Welcome to the 21st Century.
Where the MSM has been replaced by editors and players from scripted reality television.

That’s pretty much it now, isn’t it?


16 posted on 09/12/2008 1:18:19 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Obama thanks McCain for not questioning his Muslim faith)
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To: MindBender26

Smug, sneering, sexist, condescending elitist


17 posted on 09/12/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: MindBender26

Until Peter Jennings died, Charlie was probably destined to be a game show host.


18 posted on 09/12/2008 1:19:11 PM PDT by Ben Hecks (McCain/Palin: I'll pick two pilots over two lawyers anytime)
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To: ChessExpert

MindBender26. Good enough for me.


19 posted on 09/12/2008 1:19:42 PM PDT by John W
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To: MindBender26

Great insider post.

Thanks.


20 posted on 09/12/2008 1:22:42 PM PDT by mojito
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To: MindBender26

He acted very condescending, like she was a child and he the adult. It was very insulting.....


21 posted on 09/12/2008 1:22:48 PM PDT by Fawn (Who are these idiots who would vote for 'Obama Bin Biden' ????)
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To: ChessExpert

>>>>That was nice. What is the source?

Old friends with a fully charged cell phone battery, my phone number and one too many Scotches at lunch.

:~)


22 posted on 09/12/2008 1:22:52 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: MindBender26

I really PO’d ABC didnt go after Palin for eating live kittens!


23 posted on 09/12/2008 1:25:14 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: mort56

I have to admit, I used to really like Charlie Gibson but after last night’s performance my opinion has been significantly lowered. I will be going out of my way to avoid him, now...and that’s sad.

He only succeeded in making himself much smaller than the esteem I once held for him and dozens of people are telling me the same thing. Wait until he gets back from Alaska to see how much the lower 48 has cooled (to him).

When I took Newswriting (At both Newhouse and Annenberg), the key was Objectivity. Somehow, someway, cute, sarcastic pot shots has replaced honor among these Gen X’ers and Tweeners. This just goes to show you that playing Grand Theft Auto 15 hours a week does not contribute to the civility of our national discourse.


24 posted on 09/12/2008 1:26:06 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: MindBender26
I have spoken with a number of old TV journalist friends in last 12 hours.

Please provide their names and their affiliations. This article contains no sources.

As such, it can't be taken seriously.

25 posted on 09/12/2008 1:26:48 PM PDT by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: MindBender26
And Pilosi says they want to instill a "Fairness Doctrine....."
The Fairness Doctrine would make sense if journalism were objective. But the conceit of journalistic objectivity would have struck the founding fathers as ridiculous, for the simple reason that newspapers of the day were cacophony of competing opinion, with hardly any news which was entirely unknown to the public at the time of printing.

The conceit of journalistic objectivity derives solely from the commercial imperatives of the Associated Press and its member newspapers, and it is the propaganda power of the AP and its members alone which provides that conceit with what passes for its basis in fact. The conceit of journalistic objectivity is baseless in fact, and politically it is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.

The Right to Know


26 posted on 09/12/2008 1:26:56 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: MindBender26

Nice article.

We can assume that Gibson was operating under intense pressure to harass and provoke Gov. Palin in the hope of leading her into a gaffe. When no such moment emerged, ABC simply pretended Palin’s accurate summary of NATO’s responsibilities towards Georgia as a hypothetical member was warmongering. Still, pressure or no pressure, Gibson was certainly under no obligation to greet Palin with insinuating questions, false quotes and visible sneers. No doubt the scales fell from the eyes of a few more old media viewers after that performance.


27 posted on 09/12/2008 1:27:24 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: MindBender26
It was a debate, a sucker-punch, loaded debate where one side got to choose the questions, interrupt the other side, and then in conclusion, score the debate and give the audience their slanted interpretation of what it all meant.

The lefties in old media believes that it is their privilege to do so. That is why talk radio and the Internet are such an important balance against them.

28 posted on 09/12/2008 1:28:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (What did Obama's Koran instructors teach him about women?)
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To: MindBender26
The haze of amazement hanging over the network newsroom is palatable.

I suspect you meant "palpable."

29 posted on 09/12/2008 1:28:52 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Turned him off years ago.


30 posted on 09/12/2008 1:28:56 PM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home)
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To: mulligan; All
The shame of it is, I haven't been employed at ABC since 1965, (most of my Days of Infamy were at West 57th Street) was last on West 66th Street paying a social call on PJ in 1984, and still, every day, would hear from everyone, everywhere, how great a guy Charlie Gibson was!

Why, Charlie? Why?

31 posted on 09/12/2008 1:29:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: ChessExpert

http://tinyurl.com/3lkev8


32 posted on 09/12/2008 1:29:58 PM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: MindBender26

“That’s not the Charlie Gibson I knew”


33 posted on 09/12/2008 1:30:44 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (don't worry, they only want to take water out of the other guy's side of the bucket.)
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To: MindBender26

Gibson’s dripping condescension was disgusting.


34 posted on 09/12/2008 1:31:06 PM PDT by jporcus
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To: Chunga

>>>> Please provide their names and their affiliations.

Sources burned cease to be sources.

>>>> As such, it can’t be taken seriously.

Then don’t


35 posted on 09/12/2008 1:32:43 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: MindBender26

Do you know if Charles Gibson is aware of being held in contempt by some viewers and colleagues?


36 posted on 09/12/2008 1:33:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (In VP's, McCain picked the future, Obama chose the past.)
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To: MindBender26
The thing that had me gripping my arm chair like it was a snake I wanted to strangle was Mr. Gibson's MISQUOTE of Sarah Palin, and his insistence that those were her “exact words”. Yes they were, EXCERPTED!!!

It is the same as if I said...”Let us all pray that we are doing good and right and in accord with God's plan”.... and they edited it down to...... “We are doing good and right and in accord with God's plan”..... and then represented THAT as an ‘exact quote’.

LUDICROUS!

He also tried to pen her into making the ‘Obama Iwanna Obomb A Pakistan’ mistake. When she gave a “diplomatic” answer (what is required in such a circumstance) he pulled his “I got lost in a blizzard of words, was that a yes or no.”

37 posted on 09/12/2008 1:33:55 PM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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I think Charlie showed a lot of deference toward women in his interview with Governor Palin.

Can you name one other male in journalism today who would go out of his way like Charlie did to make Katie Couric look like a competent journalist?

38 posted on 09/12/2008 1:33:59 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MindBender26

As a Charlie myself, I have to say that the condescending Gibson was a disgrace to the League of Charlies. At our next meeting, we will no doubt vote to demote him to a “Chuck.”


39 posted on 09/12/2008 1:34:00 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Known by all as Charlie)
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To: Interesting Times

You are so right.


40 posted on 09/12/2008 1:34:41 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: MindBender26
Many of the older guys are not so much angry as they are disappointed. One from CBS was tempted to send Mr. Gibson an e-mail that began, “Dear Dan,”

Heh heh.

41 posted on 09/12/2008 1:35:19 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Spare me all the phony talk about change." Senator Barack Obama)
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To: MindBender26
Old friends with a fully charged cell phone battery, my phone number and one too many Scotches at lunch.

Now that's one of the best source reference lines I've heard in a long time.
42 posted on 09/12/2008 1:35:37 PM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: MindBender26
Those are usually the best sources for real news.

One of the reasons I always listen to morning talk radio. The news is so much better before the "Editors" get in at 8:00 to start their spinning.
43 posted on 09/12/2008 1:36:10 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

At, probably, about $12 Mil a year, who cares?

:~)


44 posted on 09/12/2008 1:37:03 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: mulligan
LOL...another nail in their coffin. A huge number of people will NO longer watch these morons.

What a bunch of fools. McCain appears to have set these morons up. Boy, his fighter pilot thinking is showing through. This continues to be fun to watch.

45 posted on 09/12/2008 1:37:06 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: MindBender26

Charlie, just ask your damn questions and let her answer. If you don’t like the answer, too bad! As someone said, it’s not a debate. It’s not a cross-examination.

Now, if you could just do the exact same thing to Obama that you did to Palin, we’d be happy.


46 posted on 09/12/2008 1:38:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MindBender26

“I have spoken with a number of old TV journalist friends in last 12 hours. The haze of amazement hanging over the network newsroom is palatable.”

Shouldn’t that have been palpable?


47 posted on 09/12/2008 1:39:27 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MindBender26

Ok. Then do these people truly not care about being respected? I know some are elitist.


48 posted on 09/12/2008 1:39:29 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (In VP's, McCain picked the future, Obama chose the past.)
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To: MindBender26

Sarah Palin has neutered the liberal press.


49 posted on 09/12/2008 1:40:18 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: MindBender26

What about that edited video clip of Sarah speaking about (dare I whisper it) God.

He edited the video and showed it as part of the interview. The audience got to see it to back up Charlie’s lie.

He did not give Sarah the opportunity to review that video and so he demanded she justify his lie.


50 posted on 09/12/2008 1:41:00 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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