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Bush Doctrine? Palin Got It, Gibson Didn't
IBD Editorials ^ | September 12, 2008 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 09/12/2008 7:42:59 PM PDT by Kaslin

"Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' " —New York Times, Sept. 12

Informed her? Rubbish. The Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today.

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, he grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

Wrong.

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard titled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abcnews; bushdoctrine; chucklestheclown; gibson; ignorantmedia; interview; krauthammer; mccainpalin; palin

1 posted on 09/12/2008 7:42:59 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Tell ‘em Charles! Krauthammer is the best.


2 posted on 09/12/2008 7:48:12 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42 - 12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Kaslin

Palin whooped Gibson’s ass tonight..good Job Sarah.


3 posted on 09/12/2008 7:48:31 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ( Our Mamma beats your Obama)
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To: Kaslin

I had no idea what Gibson was talking about either. It wasn’t until later I realized he was using left-wing talking points slang.


4 posted on 09/12/2008 7:52:03 PM PDT by Tempest (The devil and the media have sided with Obama)
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To: Kaslin

Krauthammer is right.

Some cartoonist needs to make a cartoon of the MSM pointing a gun at Palin, with the barrel bent 180 degrees to point back at the shooter.

Or the MSM committing hara-kiri. Something like that.


5 posted on 09/12/2008 7:52:07 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: Kaslin

Charles K. sounds authoritative to me. As the man who coined the term the “Bush doctrine,” he should know. The article is good, and the title says it all: “Bush Doctrine? Palin Got It, Gibson Didn’t”


6 posted on 09/12/2008 7:55:19 PM PDT by ChessExpert (If it had been up to Hussein Obama, Saddam Hussein would still be in power)
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To: Freee-dame

Ping!!


7 posted on 09/12/2008 7:55:33 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Palin Lipstick Gun
8 posted on 09/12/2008 7:55:52 PM PDT by musicman (Sarah Palin Runs A STATE - Barack Obama Runs His MOUTH)
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To: Kaslin

In other words (my Cal educated ex-boss would say ‘another words’) the Bush Doctrine is anything any one of us happens to make up! Until Bush himself says “this is my doctrine, dude!” there is no Bush Doctrine that anyone can test others on! Gibson question was really, “are you up on Potomac speak?”


9 posted on 09/12/2008 7:56:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Or the MSM committing hara-kiri.

No can do. That would imply they have honor.

10 posted on 09/12/2008 7:56:32 PM PDT by workerbee (Sarah Palin's very existence is a threat to the Left.)
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To: Kaslin
Let every nation know , whether it wishes us well or ill , that we shall pay any price , bear any burden , meet any hardship , support any friend , oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty .

The Bush doctrine as stated by Ted Kennedy's big brother .

11 posted on 09/12/2008 7:56:53 PM PDT by kbennkc (What passes for optimism is most often an intellectual error)
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To: Kaslin

My son just called to tell me that he thought Gibson was BRUTAL, exact word, towards Palin in the interview....OMG, I think this is going to backfire on the mediaPUKES royally! OBTW, my son isn’t too involved in politics and I rarely hear him comment about politicians, BUT BOY did he call this one or WHAT??


12 posted on 09/12/2008 7:57:12 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Kaslin

there are four different Bush Doctrines as label over time by the press.

Gibson cited the second but gave it the date of the third...LOL


13 posted on 09/12/2008 7:59:01 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Kaslin
This is hilarious. Gibson didn't even ask a question. He just looked at the script and repeated what he saw. She wanted him to qualify his question, and he wanted her to define what the Bush doctrine was, which she did. Anyone with a brain would have seen this, but once again the leftist, communist media is telling it's blind followers what to think, and once again the little idiot sheep believe the lies.

Wow. I am so ashamed of some Americans at times. You would think they could think for themselves and see through this childish puppet show after all these years. Some people never learn up from down.

14 posted on 09/12/2008 7:59:23 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Jesus was a homeless guy who came to be crucified, not to become Caesar the tax collector.)
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To: Wil H

I hope the conservative talk show hosts hammer this.

Charlie made a bit of a fool out of himself, all while thinking he was so smart.


15 posted on 09/12/2008 8:02:43 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Revolting cat!

About all the Democrat communists can do at this point is grasp and grope in the darkness. They have nothing at this point. They look like a bunch of lost children with talking points only a high school kid maybe would care about. Brainless clones the lot of them.


16 posted on 09/12/2008 8:04:15 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Jesus was a homeless guy who came to be crucified, not to become Caesar the tax collector.)
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To: Kaslin

Charles lectured Juan Williams on the Bush Doctrine(s) tonight. Told him to read this article.


17 posted on 09/12/2008 8:19:22 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

Mr Krauthammer as usual has hit the nail on the head...He has shown how the Bush Doctrine evolved: from making no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them; to ‘preventive wars,’ which supercede the previous policies of ‘containment’ of his predecessors; to his current policy of spreading Freedom and Democracy in the world..

He has thus led the US from a position of withdrawn isolation after the Vietnam era, to one of pre-emptive action as called for, to actively nurturing and spreading freedom and democracy, with force if necessary to protect a fldedgling democracy...

This is why History will look kindly on him and will compare him to President Ronald Reagan who told the Kremlin Communists to ‘tear down those walls’ and and the walls came down, torn down by freedom loving people.......

This is a legacy that John McCain can stand on too—building on his predecessors successes..

See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidential_doctrines


18 posted on 09/12/2008 8:27:04 PM PDT by billmor (Friday:Red Shirt Day- silent no more..,McCain and Palin-the right team for '08)
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To: Kaslin
To me, that interview was more on Gibson and the MSM’s bias/elitism (smugness) than Palin’s stance on the issues.
19 posted on 09/12/2008 8:30:17 PM PDT by endthematrix
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To: Force of Truth

Gibson is a condescending idiot. I thought he was especially bad when it came to global warming. What she was saying was very moderate, but he thought he had another gotcha, because he is too dumb to understand that there are scientific reasons for skepticism about the global warming hypothesis. A journalist is unlikely to have the intellectual horsepower to have a right to an independent opinion on scientific, economic, foreign policy, or just about anything else important, so is completely a slave to conventional wisdom and the vast echo chamber of the mainstream media.


20 posted on 09/12/2008 8:38:26 PM PDT by maro (Repeal the 8th Amendment)
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To: Wil H

This paragraph from Mr. Krauthammer is of some interest:

“If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume — unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise — that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.”

I don’t know, but it seems like Krauthammer is being intellectually dishonest. We all know that the popular conception of what the Bush Doctrine is, is the one that concerns pre-emptively attacking another nation. It might be wise to give Amazon a look or Wikipedia, as you suggest, to see how the public at large views the Bush Doctrine. It’s certain not Bush’s “freedom agenda.”

I tell you, I’m kind of confused. I used to think that Krauthammer was an intellectual badass when it came to politics, a real deal guy who understand the gamemanship of politics and called out the BS. He know what the Bush Doctrine is. I don’t have to tell you what it is, and neither does Amazon or Wikipedia.


21 posted on 09/12/2008 8:59:39 PM PDT by Buck Sparkman
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To: Kaslin

“suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Kyoto protocols werer rejected by Congress under the Clinton administration.

All this talk about Bush being especially unilateral and pre-emptive is greatly exagerrated. As I’ve said on other threads, an honest interpretation of history will show how often we’ve acted without direct provocation, and how many times we’ve pursued our own interest without regard for the reservations of allies.


22 posted on 09/12/2008 9:02:23 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: musicman

Does she shoot with her left hand. Just asking


23 posted on 09/12/2008 9:08:41 PM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Some cartoonist needs to make a cartoon of the MSM pointing a gun at Palin, with the barrel bent 180 degrees to point back at the shooter.

Not necessary. Apparently you are not familiar with the very rare C. Gibson & Ilk Automatic Pistol in .42 MSM. After some diligent searching, I have successfully located an example.


C.Gibson and Ilk .42 MSM Calibre Automatic Pistol

24 posted on 09/12/2008 9:08:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Buck Sparkman

“We all know that the popular conception of what the Bush Doctrine is, is the one that concerns pre-emptively attacking another nation”

This conception is one that has, I believe, been engbendered by the media to present Bush as being out of line with history. Fact is, the administration wouldn’t have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq if not for the overt act on 9/11. Of course, 9/11 and Iraq were not directly related. But why did they choose Iraq, instead of, say, Iran? Because we were very careful to choose a nation that had violated the terms of peace from a previous war.

One could argue that the Truman Doctrine, though ostensibly devoted to “containment,” could easily be construed to advocate pre-emption. We “contained” communism, which is as nebulous an enemy as terrorism. If it was alright to intervene in a civil war in Greece or Vietnam, it is not much of a stretch to intervene in the affairs of a nation that we had conditionally promised not to invade 12 years beforehand.


25 posted on 09/12/2008 9:12:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: maro
He's just a tool. Global warming is mostly caused by the planet itself, and not people. And the sun is the main source of ozone depletion.

Palin only looked bad to people who have to be told what is right or wrong by their tv sets. No sweat off her back.

26 posted on 09/12/2008 9:12:18 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Jesus was a homeless guy who came to be crucified, not to become Caesar the tax collector.)
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To: Buck Sparkman
We all know that the popular conception of what the Bush Doctrine is, is the one that concerns pre-emptively attacking another nation.

I always thought "Bush Doctrine" was his post-9/11 with-or-against stance.

27 posted on 09/12/2008 9:13:12 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Tublecane

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Kyoto protocols werer rejected by Congress under the Clinton administration.”

Signed by Klintoon then rejected by the Senate 95 to zip. Omama wasn’t yet there to vote “Present.”


28 posted on 09/12/2008 9:38:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Buck Sparkman
TROLL.

;-/

29 posted on 09/12/2008 9:38:19 PM PDT by Gargantua ("...From Barack to Barracuda in one speech! " ;-/)
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To: supercat
What ever happened to "We will make no distinction between the terrorists and the nations which give them sanctuary."?

OF COURSE we have the right to go into Pakistan, or any other raghead, shitpoke, stone-age backwater to root out these cowards.

Gibson is a raging hemorrhoid, a puckered sphincter to imply that we can't.

;-/

30 posted on 09/12/2008 9:42:55 PM PDT by Gargantua ("...From Barack to Barracuda in one speech! " ;-/)
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To: Buck Sparkman
We all know that the popular conception of what the Bush Doctrine is, is the one that concerns pre-emptively attacking another nation.

I actually used "Bush Doctrine" in a conversation last week, intending it to have Krauthammer's second definition, per GWB: "From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." While the doctrine can justify a preemptive war, that is far from its only potential consequence.

If "Bush Doctrine" really has such different meanings to different people, I suppose I should stop using the phrase.

31 posted on 09/12/2008 10:06:03 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Swordmaker

That’s the one!


32 posted on 09/13/2008 12:15:29 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: TChad

There is no such thing as “The Bush Doctrine”

There is no paper, finding, directive from the United States with any such title.

It is a term made up by media talking head to be used by media talking heads to other media talking heads. They (Krauthammer) thought it up, they talk about it over cognac and cigars, and they think everyone should treat them as if they’ve participated in some kind of diplomatic outreach.

What they are is a bunch of narcississtic, self-congratulatory good ole boys.


33 posted on 09/13/2008 2:23:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Revolting cat!

Absolutely and I am sure history will eventually settle on one distinct defination but until then the question is most certainly a gotcha one.


34 posted on 09/13/2008 6:10:56 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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