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Did Clinton cut military and intelligence spending?

Posted on 09/13/2008 1:13:47 PM PDT by reaganator

I'm having trouble finding facts on whether during the Clinton Administration the military and intelligence agencies were subject to spending cuts. I've often heard this and was wanting to know whether it is correct. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.


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1 posted on 09/13/2008 1:13:49 PM PDT by reaganator
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To: reaganator

YES

Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America’s defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50.


2 posted on 09/13/2008 1:17:05 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: reaganator

YES

Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America’s defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50.


3 posted on 09/13/2008 1:17:32 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

HICCUP


4 posted on 09/13/2008 1:17:58 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

bttt


5 posted on 09/13/2008 1:18:27 PM PDT by petercooper (IQ tests for all voters!)
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To: Doogle

Greta job Doogle.


6 posted on 09/13/2008 1:20:37 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: reaganator

The SOB whacked my contract. The un-intended consequence forced the military to take the operation back at an added cost of millions.


7 posted on 09/13/2008 1:20:39 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: reaganator

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1260793/posts

THESE IS HOW OUR MILITARY WAS DECIMATED UNDER (COMMANDER IN CHIEF)CLINTON, SUPPORTED 100% BY JOHN KERRY (THESE VOTES HE DID SHOW UP FOR). THEIR TERRIBLE JUDGMENT IS WHY OUR MILITARY IS STRETCHED NOW...ALL DUE TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY LEADERSHIP (I USE THE TERM LOOSELY). Send to all...people need to know what they’re voting for.

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS!

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

9 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988 He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle

He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16 He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade He voted to Kill the B-1 He voted to Kill the B-2 He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system

He voted to Kill the FA-18 He voted to Kill the F117 He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops.

John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the U.S. Government. He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%. He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%. He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. THEN, he voted to increase OUR funding for corrupt operations by 800% !!

Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records. The above is an accurate summary


8 posted on 09/13/2008 1:20:53 PM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: reaganator

How could he? The line item veto was found to be unconstitutional. Congress makes and passes the budget. It’s not an executive power.


9 posted on 09/13/2008 1:23:13 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

Don’t forget, Clinton and the democrat congress were enjoying ‘peace dividend’. In doing so, they cut the military budget as well as the intelligence budget. Intelligence wise they reduced the manpower on the ground to depend, in some areas, soley on satellite surveiallence. (sp)


10 posted on 09/13/2008 1:28:23 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Melas

It was a Dem Congress. He signed the budget.


11 posted on 09/13/2008 1:29:28 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Obama thanks McCain for not questioning his Muslim faith)
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To: reaganator

He didn’t CUT the military.

He GUTTED it.

Then he/she/they bragged about how much they had cut spending.


12 posted on 09/13/2008 1:30:15 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Alaskan landscape is littered with the bodies of those who have crossed Sarah Palin)
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To: reaganator

I need sources, information to back this up. What about intelligence cuts during the Clinton Administration?


13 posted on 09/13/2008 1:32:36 PM PDT by reaganator
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To: reaganator

I think it should be added that he used up a lot of supplies, and left the supply chain pretty empty. You’d have to get the details from someone else, but one notorious thing he did was expend ALL of one kind of cruise missile and most of the other kind (air launched and sea launched). I believe he also saved money by neglecting to replace aircraft spare parts and the like.

It was estimated that it would take two or three years to start up the production lines again before we could even BEGIN replacing those cruise missiles.


14 posted on 09/13/2008 1:37:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: reaganator

The White House request for a budget increase had surprised some lawmakers because Mr. Clinton promised to cut intelligence spending by $7 billion over four years. The request is in classified sections of the Defense Department budget, in which it represents an exception to a plan outlining significant cuts in military spending.

...thats from a NYT article from 1993


15 posted on 09/13/2008 1:46:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: reaganator
If you just type in:
did clinton cut military and intelligence spending many sites will come up. This is just one:

http://www.seasonsecurity.com/obama-or-national-security-47278

This site said that he cut that spending by 35% and that 911 happened about 9 months later.

16 posted on 09/13/2008 1:51:00 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: reaganator
As one of the over 1 million folks in the defense and intelligence sectors who lost their job during the “Clinton Peace Dividend”, it was real. If it hadn't been for the Submarine Good ‘Old Boy network, I would have been in real trouble. (Some Good ‘Old Boy Networks are better than others ;-)
17 posted on 09/13/2008 1:51:11 PM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Parmy
in some areas, soley on satellite surveiallence. (sp)

....and if my memory serves me correctly. I believe at one time those satellites were being used to monitor the Amazon basin........(I kid you not!)

18 posted on 09/13/2008 1:54:23 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: reaganator

He cut a lot of money from the intelligence community, which resulted in a huge gap in humint collectors. It was the classic peace dividend which allowed him in part to balance the budget. Of course, 9/11 was the result.


19 posted on 09/13/2008 1:54:53 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: edzo4

I’m lost on this. I’ve always used these talking points about Clinton. I thought Congress spent the money, and didn’t the Republicans have control? Or did these cuts take place before 1994?


20 posted on 09/13/2008 1:58:51 PM PDT by CommieCutter (THE BIAS OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS FINALLY HIT THE MAINSTREAM!)
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To: reaganator

Search for yourself.

http://www.dogpile.com


21 posted on 09/13/2008 1:59:45 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: reaganator

The list is very long on clinton, suggestion
go to google and type in
president clinton’s military cuts ?
and-— read back on the postings, one guy
listed quite a few of the cuts.


22 posted on 09/13/2008 2:05:40 PM PDT by WesMcKay
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To: reaganator

Yes, I don’t have details, but the military hated him. Reports after he was out of office surfaced about how difficult it was to be respectful to him.


23 posted on 09/13/2008 2:19:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: reaganator
Same old hype, no one has a true link. All of those military cut backs were started under George Bush. The current Jorge's father. However, cuts and etc, to the CIA was during clintoon.
24 posted on 09/13/2008 2:23:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: reaganator
Clinton appointee: Jamie Gorelick was deputy attorney general of the United States, a position she assumed in March 1994. From May 1993 until she joined the Justice Department, Gorelick served as general counsel of the Department of Defense. She was responsible the "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act:

The FISA act

The so-called "wall was enacted in 1978" preventing sharing information between FBI & CIA.

Correct me on this if i'm wrong.

25 posted on 09/13/2008 2:34:57 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Conspirators")
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To: reaganator
Total defense outlays are easy to get a hold of, but total intelligence expenditures are usually kept secret.

As a percentage of the total budget, Clinton's cuts in defense were extreme and took years to build back up.  

Outlays for defense dropped with Clinton even in terms of current dollars.  Let's face it; the Dems gutted defense and it took years to repair the damage. 

Bush-bashers never mention that rebuilding defense was the biggest cause of increases in post 9/11 federal spending.

26 posted on 09/13/2008 2:38:52 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: org.whodat

“All of those military cut backs were started under George Bush.”

Wrong. And it’s George.


27 posted on 09/13/2008 2:53:50 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: reaganator
I need sources, information to back this up. What about intelligence cuts during the Clinton Administration?

I Googled Clinton Military Cuts and the first entry is

Bill Clinton Of the 305000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America's defense during the Clinton years ... www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=644 - 63k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Google works really well when looking for history

28 posted on 09/13/2008 3:11:06 PM PDT by khenrich (Who would have thought that the gutsiest Republican would be a woman?)
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To: reaganator

Here is a report on Intelligence and Defense funding throughout the 1980s and 1990s. It’s the best thing you’ll find on Intelligence funding in those years:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/dpos/epubs/int/pdf/int017.pdf

It is from this document:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/dpos/epubs/int/pdf/report.html

You could also source Tenet’s comments about Intel funding in the 1990s:

“By the mid-1990s the Intelligence Community was operating with significant erosion in resources and people and was unable to keep pace with technological change. When I became DCI, I found a Community and a CIA whose dollars were declining and whose expertise was ebbing.”

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2004/tenet_testimony_04142004.html

There’s not a lot on Intel funding in those years because it wasn’t made public.


29 posted on 09/13/2008 3:27:35 PM PDT by mesmerini
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To: CommieCutter

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=644

Clinton’s most significant failings as President concerned less publicized but far more ominous matters of national security. Clinton’s loathing of the American military led to his failure in his primary responsibility: the protection of the American people. His actions with regard to military preparedness speak for themselves. In less than three years, deployments increased while manpower decreased from 2.1 million to 1.6 million. That decrease was the foundation upon which stood Al Gore’s purported “reinvention” of government. Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America’s defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50.

While the U.S. military was used as a ‘meals on wheels’ service by the Clinton administration in its nation building adventures, the military had its own humanitarian crises at home on its own bases. The pay freeze instituted by Clinton was imposed on a military in which 80 percent of all troops earned $30,000 per year or less. Food stamp applications soared and re-enlistment rates dropped.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEEDC1331F937A35751C0A965958260

Clinton Seeking $14 Billion Cut By the Military

Defense Secretary Les Aspin has directed the Pentagon to produce a spending plan for the next fiscal year that is at least $14 billion less than the budget for the current year, according to internal Pentagon documents.

About $8.3 billion of what Mr. Aspin hopes to cut is to come from the operating budgets of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines. That is likely to mean faster cuts in troops, less training time and fewer ships than President Bush had envisioned in his final budget. Reducing Troops in Europe

The military budget for the current year is $283 billion, in 1994 dollars, adjusted for anticipated inflation of 3.7 percent. Before he left office, former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney had proposed a $280 billion spending plan for the next fiscal year.

In a departure from Mr. Cheney’s plan, Mr. Aspin directed that money for the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization, which operates the “Star Wars” anti-missile program, be kept at the current level of $3.8 billion. Mr. Cheney had requested $6.3 billion for it.

In general, Mr. Aspin is using the Cheney plan as a basis, while seeking deeper cuts. Mr. Aspin, for example, directed the Pentagon to comply with legislation that forces in Europe be reduced to 100,000 troops by 1996 from about 185,000 now.

Mr. Aspin, in memorandums to the acting service secretaries sent late Tuesday, ordered the services to submit their reductions by next Monday. The Navy and Marine Corps were told to reduce their combined budget by $3 billion, the Air Force by $2.8 billion and the Army by $2.5 billion. Each reduction is about a 4 percent cut from levels outlined by the Bush Administration.

and here is a chart of military spending

http://www.learner.org/channel/workshops/primarysources/coldwar/docs/dspend.html

when clinton took office spending on the military was about 5% of GDP and 21% of the total budget

by the time he left it was about 3% of GDP and 16 % of the total outlay


30 posted on 09/13/2008 4:00:03 PM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: Geist Krieger
“The so-called “wall was enacted in 1978” preventing sharing information between FBI & CIA.”

and, as I understand, erected a wall preventing the FRI criminal division from speaking to the FBI security division, with serious consequences for those who violated the edict.

31 posted on 09/13/2008 4:03:00 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: reaganator

Can’t give specifics but can relate that hubby was in military, in Pentagon, doing budget stuff and complained bitterly of all the cuts and reductions. Bubba “balanced the budget” on the back of the Defense Dept - known fact.


32 posted on 09/13/2008 4:11:42 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: swmobuffalo
The peace dividend began with a Bush

At a Republican debate in Boca Raton on Jan. 24, 2008, Rudy Giuliani repeated his claim that Bill Clinton is to blame for shrinking the nation's military.

"I think we should increase the size of our military substantially to overcome the damage that Bill Clinton did with the peace dividend," he said, adding that "a lot of the cause of (the smaller military force) was Bill Clinton's peace dividend, in which he cut the military 25 and 30 percent."

We've covered this topic in two previous items, one for Giuliani and one for a similiar claim made earlier by Mitt Romney. But because this misleading claim is new to many voters who are just tuning into the campaign, we'll reiterate what we've said before.

Romney made his claim in April 2007, saying that, "Following the end of the Cold War, President Clinton began to dismantle our military. He reduced our forces by 500,000. He retired almost 80 ships. Our spending on national defense dropped from over 6 percent of GDP to 3.8 percent today."

The two Republicans are correct that military forces were reduced significantly under Clinton. The active-duty military totaled 1.8-million at the start of his presidency in 1993 and declined to 1.4-million in 2000. They are also correct that the naval fleet shrank dramatically. The Navy had 454 ships in 1993, but as vessels were retired and not replaced, the fleet was down to 341 by 2000.

But they are selectively choosing numbers that make it appear that the military cuts were Clinton’s alone. In fact, the cuts were prompted by the end of the Cold War during the presidency of President George H.W. Bush, a Republican.

During Bush's presidency, he and Congress agreed to a sharp drop in military personnel. Active-duty military declined from 2.2-million to 1.8-million. Total defense forces also shrank, from 3.3-million to 2.9-million.

The Republicans are trying to portray Clinton and the Democrats as weak on defense and to make the peace dividend look like a partisan effort. But contrary to the Republicans' claims, the post-Cold War shrinkage of the U.S. military was very much a bipartisan effort. It began under a Republican president and a Democratic Congress and continued under a Democratic president and a Republican Congress.

And so we find, as we did before, that this claim is Half True.

From:http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/309/

33 posted on 09/13/2008 5:05:11 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: swmobuffalo
Years ago people here tried to tell the truth regardless of position. Today some just don't care about the truth.
34 posted on 09/13/2008 5:08:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: reaganator

http://fas.org/irp/congress/1993_cr/h930804-ia.htm

Take a look at this,not all you want, but might give you a lead...


35 posted on 09/13/2008 5:56:46 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: reaganator

When I was in the military under Clinton, our unit didn’t have enough money to do training exercises.
That’s what our commander told us.


36 posted on 09/13/2008 6:38:58 PM PDT by RolandTignor
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To: expat_panama
Outlays for defense dropped with Clinton even in terms of current dollars. Let's face it; the Dems gutted defense and it took years to repair the damage.

The Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in 1995 (after Clinton's 2nd year of an 8 year term). Since the budget is controlled by the House, shouldn't the House Republicans be responsible for the reduction in military spending?

They seem more that willing to take credit for the reduction in the budget deficit that occurred at the same time.

37 posted on 09/13/2008 7:00:59 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: reaganator

Yes, read David N. Bossie’s book: “Intelligence Failure.”


38 posted on 09/14/2008 6:33:34 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 (God Save the Republic and God Bless the United States Marines!)
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To: Doe Eyes
"...the Dems gutted defense and it took years to repair the damage."    "shouldn't the House Republicans be responsible for the reduction in military spending?"

The way it works is the president tells congress how much money he needs when he submits a budget.  Congress can add and take away, but they start with the president's budget.  The reason I can't buy the idea that Dems are for more spending on defense and Republicans want more money for welfare, is because Clintons budget cut defense Republicans amended defense increases.  

Note the increase in defense spending from '93-'95 congressional appropriations to those of later years.  Keep in mind that any flat out budget disagreement between the president and congress was viewed by the fawning press as the 'republicans shutting down government' that excused Clinton's lying under oath..

39 posted on 09/14/2008 7:47:58 AM PDT by expat_panama
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