Saul Alinsky and DNC Corruption (Knowing your enemies is half the battle)

NewsMax.com. ^ | Jan. 7, 2003 | Diane Alden

[ODDITHER]

"Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat."

"Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

"The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself."

"In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt."

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it." (Think Gingrich, Lott and the success of name-calling used by the likes of Bill Clinton, Paul Begala, James Carville, Maxine Waters and others against conservatives and Republicans. Think of how Clinton "enemies" like Paula Jones or Linda Tripp were treated.)

"One of the criteria for picking the target is the target's vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract." (Trent Lott comes to mind. Meanwhile, a former Klansman by the name of Sen. Robert Byrd got away with saying "nigger" on Fox News at least three times, and he still maintains his Senate seat and power.)

"The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength." For instance, Democrats imply conservatives are racists or that Republicans want to kill senior citizens by limiting the growth of the Medicare system, they imply Republicans want to deny kids lunch money without offering real proof. These red-herring tactics work.

[ODDITHER]

I had not read this and although it was written in 2003 I really feel that it is as important today to know what we are up against. After all Lucifer has a new agent of change and his name is Obama.

This election is too important not to know your enemy.

[donnab]

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.”

Obama follows this in all his campaigns. Ask his former opponents.

[Mamzelle]

re: Obama follows this in all his campaigns. Ask his former opponents.)))

Then let's target Obama, freeze him, personalize him and polarize him.

[xcamel]

Get the whole 'rules for radicals":

Rules for Radicals

In 1971, Saul Alinsky wrote an entertaining classic on grassroots organizing titled Rules for Radicals. Those who prefer cooperative tactics describe the book as out-of-date. Nevertheless, it provides some of the best advice on confrontational tactics. Alinsky begins this way: What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.

His “rules” derive from many successful campaigns where he helped poor people fighting power and privilege

For Alinsky, organizing is the process of highlighting what is wrong and convincing people they can actually do something about it. The two are linked. If people feel they don’t have the power to change a bad situation, they stop thinking about it.

According to Alinsky, the organizer — especially a paid organizer from outside — must first overcome suspicion and establish credibility. Next the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. This is necessary to get people to participate. An organizer has to attack apathy and disturb the prevailing patterns of complacent community life where people have simply come to accept a bad situation. Alinsky would say, “The first step in community organization is community disorganization.”

Through a process combining hope and resentment, the organizer tries to create a “mass army” that brings in as many recruits as possible from local organizations, churches, services groups, labor unions, corner gangs, and individuals.

Alinsky provides a collection of rules to guide the process. But he emphasizes these rules must be translated into real-life tactics that are fluid and responsive to the situation at hand.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

[originalbuckeye]

Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Hillary! is a disciple of Alinsky’s also. The Dems have gone over to the Dark side. Alinsky’s book was dedicated to Lucifer. Pray for our wonderful country.

[GOP Poet]

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[sinanju]

Hmmmm. This Alinsky guy was not wrong about tactics, at least. I wonder if his “Rules for Radicals” occupies shelf space next to “Clauswitz on War” and “A Book of Five Rings.”

[gidget7]

Exactly right, and the response by the McCain/Palin campaign, to a lot of this crap, in this election, is to laugh, and say they are getting very very desperate, and unfortunately for them, the American people see right through it.

Turn the ridicule right back on them.

[ovrtaxt]

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer.

~Saul Alinsky
Rules for Radicals, dedication of book

[GodGunsGuts]

Good find. I posted something similar a while back. It would appear that Saul Alinsky looked up to Lucifer as the “O.R.” (Original Radical) and spent the rest of his life trying to immitate him. Apparently it worked, because we just watched two Alinsky followers run for the demorat primary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1987291/posts

[fullchroma]

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[sinanju]

To be a demon-worshipper, you still have to be religious. I would not give Alinsky credit for that.

I’m guessing he modeled himself after John Milton’s Original Rebel. Ol’ “Tis better to reign in Hell that serve in Heaven.”

[Cacique]

btt

[sinanju]

I wonder if he studied Gandhi? He clearly wasn’t wrong about everything. Such tactics work in a civilized setting where you know your opponent won’t simply bayonet you.

Don’t try this in North Korea, kiddies.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

. . . and the nomination of Gov. Palin, a person of similar (lack of) age to Obama and similar (actually greater) credentials to be VP has goaded Obama into making arguments against her as opposing VP candidate which put himself as POTUS candidate on the defensive.

So I guess that if Obama's running his own election campaign counts as "executive experience," Gov. Palin's running against Obama counts as "community organizer" experience.

[r-q-tek86]

ping to xcamel’s post

[An Old Man]

More from the article

Of course, Republicans reaction to all this is to immediately go on the defensive. Seldom do they unleash their pit bull orators or strategists. Rather than use the immense amount of data available to prove the conservative case, Republicans tug their forelocks, say "yes sir," and hope the accusations and name calling will go away. Why is it that Republicans consistently fail to point out the monumental failures of the new Democrats? Failures such as the massive disaster that is the "war on poverty." On that topic alone Republicans should be drilling the public in every media venue and at every opportunity. Then and only then should Republicans offer alternatives to the failed policies of the Democratic left.

Republicans should pound relentlessly on the fact that the Democratic Party was hijacked by leftist reactionaries way back in the early '70s. The reactionary left is the obstructionist left. They do nothing but defend and cling to the failures of the past. That fact makes them reactionaries rather than radicals or progressives

Unfortunately, Republicans still pretend that nothing has changed regarding the basic philosophy of the political parties. They refuse to understand the horrendous notion that Democrats tell us the U.S. Constitution is flexible. That means the rule of law is flexible. If that is the case the law and the Constitution mean nothing. It means that the law and Constitution are twisted by the whims and fancies of the moment.

[caffe]

This whole movement towards “Community Service” is dangerous...the leaders of it simply want to make our children tools - kinda like Hitler’s youth

[xcamel]

The simple fact that the book is dedicated to “Lucifer” tells you all you need to know

[mouse1]

Resume of: B HUSSEIN OBAMA

1.) COLB
Proven fake by more than one source
2.) Sketchy childhood
We know some details - Lots of gaps - muslim?
3.) College thesis has vanished
Was it anything like Michele’s?
4.) Overseas travel
Pakistan? Why? On what passport?
5.) Law records
What cases did he represent?
6.) Senate records disappeared
What was he trying to hide?
7.) Associations
Rev Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Michele etc.
8.) Senate voting record
That speaks for itself
9.) SCOTUS
Who would his choices be?
10.) Proven Liar
11.) Inexperience
12.) Racist, Sexist, Radical, Marxist views

His judgement in the people he associates with and his radical/marxist views scare the hell out of me.

[Bernard Marx]

This link tells the whole story about Obama, Hillary and Alinsky: SAUL ALINSKY

[sinanju]

Where’s my old “Young Pioneers” scarf? Right next to my Eton necktie, I guess..

[ETL]

From the Boston Globe, August 31, 2008:

[Saul Alinsky's] Son sees father's handiwork in [2008 democrat] convention

ALL THE elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situations and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd's chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.

The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style. Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness.

It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.

L. DAVID ALINSKY
Medfield

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/

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From Rules for Radicals, Alinsky outlines his strategy in organizing, writing:

"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."[2]

[2] Saul Alinsky, The Latter Rain
http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/alinski.htm

[workerbee]

Am I imagining things, or did I read somewhere that Michelle Obama quoted this Rules for Radicals in her speech at the Dem coronation convention? Does anyone know if that's actually true?

[originalbuckeye]

Did you notice, at the 9/11 Forum, that Obama was asked if he supports giving the same benefits to Community Service as are given to our Military?? He said he didn't but, as we all know, for the Dems it's OK to lie to get the end result that you desire.

[wjcsux]

bump for later.

[ETL]

That is a great article. Tons of info. Thanks for the link.

Here it is again below:

Democrats’ Platform for Revolution
By John Perazzo
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, May 05, 2008
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D6E27ECE-9798-4F01-A378-3F1405F69704

[SERKIT]

Alinsky or Barry were never up against a combat fighter pilot and naval aviator. As for Biden, Sarah is taking a quick refresher course on how to field dress an ass.

[ODDITHER]

Thanks -
Know your enemy and then destroy him.

[ODDITHER]

Thanks -
Know your enemy and then destroy him.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Thanks for this - I didn’t know this.

[LenS]

The problem with Alinsky’s tactics is that they undermine the decorum that makes an Anglosphere nation work. You might win with such tactics, but upon winning, you’ve gained control of a society where dog eat dog is back in charge. And the odds are long that you will end up consumed in such a world. The fact that so many in the Democratic Party use these tactics has weakened them for rational debate and leaves them wide open for violent counterattacks when they’re opponents give up on debate and strike back.

[RKBA Democrat]

"After all Lucifer has a new agent of change and his name is Obama."

Interesting you mention Lucifer. The 1971 edition of "Rules for Radicals" has the following quote from Saul Alinsky in the preface:

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins-or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer

-Saul Alinsky

[RKBA Democrat]

You might find this discussion of the philosophical mentor of a couple of our favorite politicians interesting.

[hellbender]

"Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

The Republican Congress and President made it easy for the radicals by abandoning traditional Republican "rules" against fiscal restraint, new govt. programs, and political corruption.

[jan in Colorado]

This whole movement towards “Community Service” is dangerous...the leaders of it simply want to make our children tools - kinda like Hitler’s youth

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I was thinking the exact same thing!

[hellbender]

Great quote, which shows what Obama really means by "change."

They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.

According to polls, most Americans have already reached this state; they have a vague belief that "the country is on the wrong course." Even many conservatives feel so frustrated by the betrayal of their values by Republicans that they are willing to adopt suicidal tactics like backing 3rd-party candidates.

[hellbender]

The radicals who now run the Demonrat Party are not in the least interested in “rational debate,” any more than Muslims are interested in religious tolerance and free choice. They want to deconstruct our society, then run the country as a one-party dictatorship, as Marxists always do.

[SierraWasp]

"bookmark"

Me too!!!

[PGalt]

OUTSTANDING post/thread. Thanks to every linker, researcher, educator. BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!

Do “independents” need more evidence of a parasitic, criminal philosophy?

Thanks to all truth-seeking, freedom-loving lurkers reading this thread.

[ntnychik]

Alinsky ping.
Excellent, though lengthy, background at post #21.

[ntnychik]

Alinsky ping.
Excellent, though lengthy, background at post #21.

[Lexinom]

Johnson over Thune by 524 votes in 2002. Democrat lawyers from New York City, DC, and California running their campaign from a kitchen adjacent the polling place contrary to South Dakota State Law.

And Saul Alinsky's observation of the first rebel, and what he got for it...

These people are not your friends. Know thy enemy.

[unspun]

[ODDITHER]

Abolutely - If Ordinary Americans knew about Saul Alinsky and the fact that community organizer means something totally different to Obama than it does to them - I think they would defect enmasse.

[oblomov]

This line from Michelle Obama's speech is a direct reference to Alinsky:

"All of us are driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do—that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be. "

http://www.nathanielturner.com/obligationtofightfortheworldasitshouldbe.htm

[Nailbiter]

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