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Serious stuff-Hatred of Sarah Palin: This is feeling VERY familiar ( aka Bush destruction)
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Posted on 09/13/2008 5:27:19 PM PDT by dascallie

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To: dascallie

that’s what the democrats do:

they attack the person.

george w bush

karl rove

dick cheney

scooter libby

donald rumsfeld

etc.

i know democrats that literally gag when they see these individuals on tv—i’ve watched them.


21 posted on 09/13/2008 5:49:56 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: SandRat

This time we must stand up to the kool-aid propaganda against Palin.

It is unjust. We allowed Bush to be bloodily sacrificed. I do not know how the man is still standing.

We need to vocal about Palin...at work, wherever. It’s called “COURAGE of your CONVICTIONS”. When the predictable others gasp and imply you are an idiot to actually think this “hick” from Alaska is a viable and strong candidate, hold your ground and speak out.

You see, I think people are such cravers of wanting to be accepted...and with the brainwashing by 24/7 media that Bush was an idiot, a moron, a retard— many bought the sound bites, many did not want to be uncool and disagree.
It made them part of the hip “I hate Bush” club.

It was so infused in the social consciousness that people went quiet in his support ....we threw him to the wolves...all in the name of vanity and not wanting to look like we were supporting a moron warmonger ( I mean didn’t genuises like George Clooney and Barbra Streisand tell us? )

Sometimes we act like mindless lemmings hypnotized by the empty flash of celebrity.

WE REALLY can’t do this with Palin ( even if Pamela Anderson....who no doubt has done an exhaustive geopolitical analysis... says Sarah Palin should “suck it”!)


22 posted on 09/13/2008 5:54:11 PM PDT by dascallie
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To: lonestar67

>>

— she didn’t defend us
— she didn’t fight back
— she didn’t get her story out
— she did not agree with me on my pet issue

<<

Three out of four are indeed indictments of President Bush, not his conservative base.

A big reason conservatives have flocked to McCain is because his team is showing party leadership. They are not abandoning the political field of battle the way W’s have. It is so incredibly refreshing to witness a man with a fighting spirit, as opposed to a New Tone, that McCain was becoming popular BEFORE his selection of Governor Palin. Look back at all of the posts on this forum cheering McCain on but holding their breath on his VP pick. His VP pick showed that he took the conservative base seriously and gave hope for the future of the conservative movement.

No, we didn’t abandon Bush, he abandoned us, and there is no sense in defending a man who won’t defend himself.

That being said, history will record Bush as the right man at the right time, and one of the greatest presidents in history.


23 posted on 09/13/2008 5:55:29 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Eras will now be referred to as: BS: Before Sarah and AS: After Sarah)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Good points.

I know Bush had a problematic presidency but he was treated with absurd unfairness. I admire his fortitude in the face of such unrelenting vitriol.

Agree about McCain.

I am hoping Palin’s talent of the spoken word will serve her well in defending against the inevitable onslaught...Bush’s dyslexic and halting manner had him dressed like a sitting duck.


24 posted on 09/13/2008 6:02:18 PM PDT by dascallie
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To: dascallie
We allowed Bush to be bloodily sacrificed.

WE did not. WE defended him and defended him and defended him, all while he refused to speak up and defend himself.

Lies were allowed to become accepted wisdom. His enemies were given preferential treatment. Could you imagine for one minute the Bush team objecting to Democrat partisans being allowed to investigate him the way the McCain people are objecting to the "Troopergate" farce in Alaska? NO! They are willing piñatas for the left.

After a certain point, you stop standing up for people who won't stand up for themselves.

25 posted on 09/13/2008 6:03:54 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Eras will now be referred to as: BS: Before Sarah and AS: After Sarah)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yes, Bush did not get his message out, but don’t you feel the media worked overtime to make it very opaque?

Compare positive press frequency to negative press frequency for Bush. Hugely lopsided.

I hate to see the same thing happen with Palin, while Obama with his buffet of murky associations and history gets a pass.

The media is a nightmare in this country. Bush was not skilled enough as a communicator to blast though it. I think he tried.


26 posted on 09/13/2008 6:08:28 PM PDT by dascallie
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To: lonestar67

Loyalty is a street that runs in both directions.

You dance with the one that brought you to the dance.


27 posted on 09/13/2008 6:08:34 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: MrEdd

President Bush has held conservative positions.

Not only that, he has acted upon them and completed successes in relation to those conservative goals.

Conservatives like yourself like to talk conservative but . . .


28 posted on 09/13/2008 6:09:43 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

President Bush did not abandon “us.”

I think I better leave it at that.

I cannot believe people honestly think these things.


29 posted on 09/13/2008 6:11:24 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67

President Bush was NEVER a leader of the conservative movement. He never took control of the Republican Party. He considered himself above politics, and never gave defense of himself, the war, the military, or conservative principals the priority required to prevent Leftist lies to become accepted.

Conservatives need not accept ANY guilt for the beating he got in the public arena. We worked harder than he did in defense of him.


30 posted on 09/13/2008 6:17:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Eras will now be referred to as: BS: Before Sarah and AS: After Sarah)
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To: lonestar67

I totally agree! It just sickened me the way Republicans let the media define Bush and just went along with it. It seems like nobody thinks for themselves anymore. Fact is, Bush kept us safe since 9/11, he brought about lower unemployment,a better economy, and saved this nation after 9/11. He signed the ban on partail birth abortion and appointed 2 excellent SC judges. Just to name a few of his accomplishments, and it makes me so mad how he was dissed at the convention.


31 posted on 09/13/2008 6:19:02 PM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: imfrmdixie
Louis Farrakhan has already made the statement that if Obama loses and Blacks feel it wasn’t fair, there will be massive riots and destruction.

They can go right ahead. They won't be voting in the next election if they do.

32 posted on 09/13/2008 6:19:56 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: Hattie

If they can’t destroy her with rumors, make no mistake about it, they will use trumped up charges and liberal judges to get rid of her, ala Scooter Libby.


33 posted on 09/13/2008 6:21:27 PM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: dascallie
Can you IMAGINE, if Obama loses, how they will behave toward Vice President Sarah Palin as the iconic representation in snatching the presidency away from the first black??

Sarah simply doesn't notice.

34 posted on 09/13/2008 6:23:37 PM PDT by montag813 (www.BoycottUsWeekly.com | Fight the Smears)
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To: dascallie
Palin became governor of Alaska, but never left the working class...

Which makes her everything a public servant should be and is supposed to be.

35 posted on 09/13/2008 6:23:52 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: dascallie
I think he tried.

He did not give priority to defending himself and his policies. It is his greatest failure, and nobody can honestly deny that truth. It was like a man sticking his hand into a nest of vipers. We can hate the vipers, but if the man won't pull his hand out, he shares in the blame.

The President doesn't have to be his own spokesman, he can hire a competent PR team. You could assemble a random group of Freepers who could have done a better job by far than Bush's team.

I was a die hard defender of W, but my one consistent complaint was his passivity in the face of lies. It hurt his popularity, it hurt the war effort, it hurt the military, and it hurt the conservative cause.

It's like a father who stands by and watched another man beat up his child. He can claim he loves his child, but unless he puts out a total effort to stop the assault, it is empty rhetoric. W stood by and watched the assault of the military, the war effort, the conservative cause, and himself. His Bush patrician sensibilities did us all in.

36 posted on 09/13/2008 6:26:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Eras will now be referred to as: BS: Before Sarah and AS: After Sarah)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I am happy to assign guilt to “faux conservatives.”

What moved President Bush above politics after seizing control of the conservative movement and the Republican party was 911.

Bush beat McCain because he was more conservative than McCain.

Bush provided conservative Supreme Court appointments. President Bush provided substantial conservative tax cuts.

Nonetheless, the transcendence of 911 is an issue for which Bush loyalists are fully entitled to bury their rhetorical hatchets in the thick skulls of paleoconservatives.

Tens of thousands of American volunteers span the globe fighting forces of evil that rival all know pathologies of the 20th century. Despite the proven success of the President in this war, his approval stands equal to that of people surveyed in Sudan.

It is betrayal pure and simple— the same betrayal that will come for Palin as soon as defense becomes publicly inconvenient. I will defend Bush and Palin. I will leave my rhetorical mark on the pretenders who will quickly abandon her just as they abandoned Bush.


37 posted on 09/13/2008 6:27:29 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: beckysueb
Bush kept us safe since 9/11, he brought about lower unemployment,a better economy, and saved this nation after 9/11. He signed the ban on partail birth abortion and appointed 2 excellent SC judges.

And for all of those things he will be considered a great President.

38 posted on 09/13/2008 6:27:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Eras will now be referred to as: BS: Before Sarah and AS: After Sarah)
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To: jwalsh07; lonestar67
You should respect what President Bush has done in the WOT.

He allowed the liberals to put on show trial prosecutions of our troops who are fighting in the middle east, and has kept our borders wide open.

NO SALE.

President Bush has held conservative positions.

Not only that, he has acted upon them and completed successes in relation to those conservative goals.

Conservatives like yourself like to talk conservative but . . .

President bush has also held liberal positions, and acted on them - as we have seen with the borders, and our continued operation in the Balkans. I have no interest in a mixed bag of liberal and conservative positions.

39 posted on 09/13/2008 6:30:41 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dascallie

Equating Nixon Clinton and Bush on any level is fundamentally dishonest.


40 posted on 09/13/2008 6:31:17 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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