Skip to comments.Preparing for the "Big What if": Buying a gun
Posted on 09/15/2008 10:58:51 AM PDT by Kevmo
The Washington Post article is already being commented upon here in Free Republic.
The purpose of this thread is to help Freepers and lurkers decide upon what the best mode of self defense would be in the case of the breakdown in social order such as happened with the Rodney King riots.
Joe Brower owns one of the RKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) ping lists. I tried to convince him to open this vanity because he and his friends are more knowledgeable about guns. He says, "there have already been threads on the subject you mention right here on FR, although I can't locate them now. Tell you what -- you start the thread and then ping me, and I'll then flag my RKBA list for comments. I'm sure some folks in that group would be able to provide links, as well as plenty of timely advice. "
This scenario is called the SHTF scenario, where the acronym stands for $#|+ Hits The Fan. So this will be the SHTF gun thread for November 2008... Of course, gun ownership isn't for everyone. But it is the most accessible safety measure under our constitution, which is as our founding fathers intended. Recall where the police were when the Rodney King riots started: they left the scene for their own safety. If that were to happen in your neighborhood, what is your plan?
I live in silicon valley, in a working class neighborhood, mostly hispanic and mostly homeowners rather than renters. I have 2 kids under 9 years old, so it would be important to have a safe trigger lock thingamajiggie. For me, money is very tight right now, so I am focusing on Minimal Outlay in terms of weapon purchase and ammunition. In addition, when this all blows over and it turns out to be nothing (which I'm hoping for, like the Y2K scenario), then I would have a fun little plinker gun to go out into the woods and enjoy. So I'm thinking of buying a 0.22 rifle with a scope, maybe 1000 rounds of ammunition. I'm thinking of semi-auto, perhaps with a lever discharge. I intend to buy whatever is cheapest at Big 5 Sporting Goods or Walmart.
Please keep in mind that there are thousands of lurkers who know that they have the RKBA but are a little bit nervous about buying and owning a weapon. These are not seasoned shooters. I doubt a shotgun would be the right weapon for such neophytes.
Well, here goes. Be polite.
Here’s the link to the WaPo article:
pinging Joe Brower
1) Obama will not be the next President
2) There will be no real “riots” as a consequence.
What do you mean by #2? What is a real riot versus a non-real riot, and why is “riot” in quotes? Please elaborate.
Link not working. Article not found.
Isn’t a “quiet riot” when Al Sharpton’s people don’t make any noise when they set your Jewish-owned store on fire???
1. Obama may not be elected President
2. There will likely be riots nationwide.
Being a hunter, buy yourself a remington 870 shot gun (combo) it come with both deer and bird barrels the bird shot is good for maximum spead for self defense plus its one shot in the barrel and 4 in the stock.
Don’t think we’ll have a problem here in small town South Alabama as 95% of us already have firearms and folks are basically sane.
But you never know.
Which makes Life interesting.
It shows up on a Google search, but it's not on the server anymore. I'll see if I can dig it up.
I absolutely agree with you.
Probably in some of the more violent cities in our country there will similar violence to that of when the Lakers or the Piston’s won the championship...but other than that, I believe that most on the left will get really loaded, pass out and come to the morning after and have a massive hang over — I don’t believe there will be any Jim Jones mass kool aid events or anything like that...the last time a group blindly followed a charismatic personality...
A pump shotgun is a great weapon for a neophyte. Easy to aim. Easy to load and unload. Hard hitting effective rounds. Less likely to kill a bystander with an errant shot. Intimidating. And makes a great sound as you chamber a round.
If you are on a budget but serious about home & self-defense ... I bought a Mossberg `Maverick’ 12 gauge shotgun at Wally World for $177.00 not too long ago. The safety is on the trigger guard, like a Remington, so I could put a top folding stock on it. I also bought an 18 1/2” barrel, but the longer barrel is better. It chambers 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells. I plan to put it in my trunk right after Halloween.
Save the .22 for plinking cans and squirrels. Series.
Here’s the link to the Free Republic posting:
Inside that post I clicked on the WaPo article and brought up this link. I don’t know why the link put up for the article title is different from this.
Just made two purchases — a Remington 870 and a Springfield Armory XD-40. What a sweet pistol.
They don't leave their neighborhoods, but attempt to burn & steal everything from all businesses in them. They will also shoot at any white person who happens to be there, or passing through.
I think you meant, point, not aim...You aim a rifle, you point a shotgun. Been shooting them all my life, and taught it for the last 15 years.
I’d second the opinion in the Rem 870 combo. Don’t need to take any stupid test (as for handgun ownership here in CA), reasonably affordable, durable, the newer modles have a safety lock that requires a special tool to disable, ammo is cheap and readily available (use #4 buck for crowd control), easy to maintain. You can also take up skeet or trap with the long barrel if you like. The only other alternative is any of the “security” shottys that Big 5 carry. They’re a little cheaper (and maybe not as solidly built, but still safe) but they all come with the 18.5” barrel which isn’t useful for bird shooting.
Oh, BTW, Obama will win CA, but McCain/Palin will win the general...and there will be no riots anywhere.
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Second the 12 ga. pump recommendations. Take up sporting clays for entertainment.
And then they complain when stores and other businesses don’t want to located in their neighborhoods.
Being a hunter,
***I’m not a hunter.
Keep the weapon out of reach of the kids and teach them not to touch it or go near it. A locked gun is useless for self defense.
The reason there were no Y2K disasters is because thousands of people like me worked countless hours to fix the problems before the event. The threat and the problems were real.
The threat of riots is real too. The only way to deal with it is to be prepared. Hope for the best prepare for the worst.
If you live in a large urban area, work in a large urban area or visit a large urban area, you need to pay attention to what is going on and the big “IF” in November. That's number one.
I would suggest to my non-gun owning friends that you sit down and truly look with an objective eye regarding the situation. Can I defend my property if I have to do so? Can I defend the lives of my family if I have to do so?
What are the risks of major rioting and or other upheaval near me?
Shotguns are good for personal defense if you understand the limitations. A .22 rifle is nice for plinking cans and bottles, and I guess in a pinch if you got off a very good shot, you might get lucky. Personally, I would not bother.
My suggestion would be a bolt action rifle, a small revolver and a 9mm or .45 automatic pistol. If you are not familiar with firearms, take a class. Practice. Practice. Practice. Understand that it is a tool, and always treat every thing that even looks like a gun as a loaded weapon.
Good luck to all.
Now don't get me wrong. The 870 is a fine weapon. For hunting. I have one and wouldn't get rid of it.
But when seconds count, I don't want to be fumbling for that silly little button the the trigger guard.
Get a Mossberg 500. The safety is on top, you push it toward the bad guy to shoot.
Plus, the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test.
Best firearms for defending oneself in a”riot”?
I cast my vote for two (both carried at the same time):
1) A pump action 12 gauge shotgun with plenty of 00Buck shells.
2) A .357 mag revolver with a couple speed-loaders and plenty of extra ammunition.
I’ll certainly not argue with those who are more comfortable with a semi-auto pistol like the good-ol’ .45 ACP (with several spare magazines and, as before, plenty of extra ammo), but I think the shotgun is absolutley indespensible in a “close-in” situation. The police don’t call their short-barreled pump actions “riot guns” for nothing.
OK, so can a “civvy” buy one of those 18(?) rd tube magazined Remington 12 guages?
Too late for all that.
The government has already perpetrated a coast to coast lawless violent invasion by allowing into the country upwards of 40 million illegal aliens...
While at the same time forcing the working class to subsidize the business owners illegal low wage labor. While the biz owners reap their profits from low wage illegal workers, the American working class are left twisting in the wind, paying for millions of illegals health care, food stamps, etc.
All this while the government has spent money like a drunken lotto winner.
This is a perfect example of an extreme breakdown in social order that has been building strong for over 10 years now.
Another thing that “community organizers” harp about - the higher prices in stores in these neighborhoods.
Well, if you “community organizers” would “organize” a lower crime rate, these businesses wouldn’t have to invest in the extra security measures, have to deal with as much theft, and lower insurance rates,
then they could charge what they charge in “white” neighborhoods.
To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, a gun isn’t the magic wand portrayed on TV that resolves bad people by simply waving in their general direction.
Buying the cheapest one on the Walmart rack - or a $2000 tacticool M4gery for that matter - a month before a crisis and locking it up in the closet just in case is only marginally better than doing nothing at all.
The time to go out in the woods and plink is today. When making every mistake in the book doesn’t matter.
I tend to agree with you, but it never hurts to “Be Prepared”. Good post, Kevmo. Good advice for everyone who values life...their life...loves freedom...their freedom.
The left has ratcheted up this continuous process of warfare, psychological and political, if not militarily...yet.
I’m somewhat concerned about our candidates well-being. I would not put anything past these socialists.
The places that are burned or destroyed are usually small stores that are easy to loot. Stay away from them.
Riots won't last more than a few days. If you think your neighborhood will blow, go on vacation, visit the in-laws. Send the kids away.
If there's rioting, responsible blacks - including Obama - will be out there telling people to calm down. And the police will be doing their part.
It'll be fine.
Don't be bullied into voting for Obama out of fear.
I’ve always had a 12 gauge shotgun, which I keep loaded for home safety. Recently I bought a .38 snubnose revolver, since it is easier to handle with the arthritis. The kids have home defense weapons, we’ve all grown up with firearms for hunting and defense.
We’ve never needed them, but I’d rather have them and not need them, than need them and not have them.
You'll shoot your eye out.
I agree with the person who said it's all in where you live. I can't see much happening in Texas where most everyone has guns and aren't afraid to use them.
ROTFLMAO!!! The minority crowd burns down their OWN neighborhoods...not mine. “Riots”?? Fine. Those slums good use a good cleaning out.
Have you been looking in my gun safe?
I actually HAVE at least one of each of the weapons you mentioned in your post... except the “zombie” gun. Does WANTING one of those count??
I lived on the South Side of Chicago in the 60's. A community organizer is a radical - they don't harp about "high prices".
Yes ... I have an aversion to even driving on any road named M.L.K. Blvd., and I sure as heck wouldn’t live, or work near one, but the I’m a white man.
“A .22 has NO stopping power.”
Per my Spec Ops buddies, nothing really has “stopping power”, in that a guy with a knife who gets shot with, say, a .44 magnum round, if he’s already running toward you, can still get to you and kill you before he dies if he’s within 30 feet of you.
Best defense in that case is a good defense. Lay in a good supply of food and necessities a few days prior. Listen to a good local news station and if anything happens - stay away from those parts of town even if it means a long drive around.
In the RK event people were caught as they drove through.
Hi neighbor. What zip you live in? I’m in 95133. I have been preparing for a few years now. May I susgest a larger gun than the .22LR ?
WE have 286,000,000 guns and 10,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition.
THEY have the ACLU, Air America, and PBS.
I do not see a problem.
Hi neighbor. What zip you live in? I’m in 95133. I have been preparing for a few years now. May I susgest a larger gun than the .22LR ?
Both Mossberg and Bennelli have excellent reputations. If price is an issue for you, you are better off getting the Mossberg and using the money you save to get lots of practice ammo and spend a weekend at a range getting comfortable with it.
By "getting comfortable" I mean putting a couple of hundred rounds through it under the supervision of somebody competent, over a period of a couple of days, and becoming confident that you can handle the recoil, that the gun cycles reliably, and that you can hit the target reliably with it.
If you have a wife/girlfriend, before buying you might take a look at getting a 20-gauge, which has much less recoil, unless she's a big girl who can become comfortable with a 12-gauge.
I would also recommend getting a copy of Massad Ayoob's Advanced Combat Shotgun
I have seen LOTS of dead gang bangers in Little Rock with no visible wounds, later found to be shot with .22.
You are right though, limited stop potential UNLESS YOU CAN score with a head shot.
If you can handle a pistol, Rossi makes a very good mid-range priced .357 six shot revolver. Load this weapon with .38 Special jacketed hollowpoiont +P rounds for best knockdown at minimal recoil ... to keep the weapon under control following initial round fired. The Rossi pistol has rubber grip so it is comfortable for practicing as often as possible.
If you live in a semi-rural setting, you might want to consider purchasing a .357 revolver and a lever action rifle in the same caliber (.357) with a 16 to 18 inch barrel so it is manageable inside a dwelling. And practice as often as possible. You can purchase beaucoups of .38 Special and .357 ammo and will have a pistol and rifle chambering the same ammo. If you can handle a .44 or .45 caliber handgun, you can get the rifles in those calibers as well. But the best homedefense weapon is a medium to short shotgun model in pump action with 1&3 duplex shells.
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