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(Listen Up Vegans...Hey Are You Paying Attention?) Eating Veggies Shrinks The Brain
The Times of India ^ | 14 Sep 2008 | ST AGENCIES

Posted on 09/15/2008 4:26:30 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Eating veggies shrinks the brain

14 Sep 2008

MELBOURNE: Scientists have discovered that going veggie could be bad for your brain-with those on a meat-free diet six times more likely to suffer brain shrinkage.

Vegans and vegetarians are the most likely to be deficient because the best sources of the vitamin are meat, particularly liver, milk and fish. Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause anaemia and inflammation of the nervous system. Yeast extracts are one of the few vegetarian foods which provide good levels of the vitamin.

The link was discovered by Oxford University scientists who used memory tests, physical checks and brain scans to examine 107 people between the ages of 61 and 87.

When the volunteers were retested five years later the medics found those with the lowest levels of vitamin B12 were also the most likely to have brain shrinkage. It confirms earlier research showing a link between brain atrophy and low levels of B12.

Brain scans of more than 1,800 people found that people who downed 14 drinks or more a week had 1.6% more brain shrinkage than teetotallers. Women in their seventies were the most at risk.

Beer does less damage than wine according to a study in Alcohol and Alcoholism.

Researchers found that the hippocampus-the part of the brain that stores memories - was 10% smaller in beer drinkers than those who stuck to wine.

And being overweight or obese is linked to brain loss, Swedish researchers discovered. Scans of around 300 women found that those with brain shrink had an average body mass index of 27 And for every one point increase in their BMI the loss rose by 13 to 16%.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brain; braindead; dimwit; food; meat; vegan; vegetables; vegetarian
"Eating vegetables shrinks the brain"...

I would love to see the relationship between being a member of PETA and IQ scores.

1 posted on 09/15/2008 4:26:30 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 09/15/2008 4:27:06 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

So THATS whats wrong with liberals!


3 posted on 09/15/2008 4:29:47 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: DogByte6RER
It would be more accurate to say “Not eating meat shrinks brains”. Nothing complements a vegetarian meal like a big side-dish of meat.
4 posted on 09/15/2008 4:30:22 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: DogByte6RER

>> Beer does less damage than wine according to a study in Alcohol and Alcoholism.

YES!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!! (pop) (glugluglug)

uh... sorry, what were we talking about again?

Oh, yeah brain shrinkage. It’s OK, I’ll have a steak with my beer.


5 posted on 09/15/2008 4:31:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: DogByte6RER
This is your brain:

This is your brain on vegetables:

Any questions?

6 posted on 09/15/2008 4:31:43 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Guys, let them eat...

I remember awhile ago, I was arguing w/ the biology teacher about people being born vegetarians. He finally suggested me to go and to look at my teeth at the mirror - are those teeth of the predator or not. The argument ended.

Maybe PETA guys have no teeth... could explain.


7 posted on 09/15/2008 4:32:36 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: DogByte6RER

>> I would love to see the relationship between being a member of PETA and IQ scores.

I guess you haven’t seen the Penn & Teller video series on PETA...

it does a really good job of correlating PETA membership with IQ.

hint: negative correlation


8 posted on 09/15/2008 4:33:51 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: DogByte6RER

This BS has been covered yesterday. Veggies do not shrink your brain, Vitamin B12 deficiency does. And meat is but one source of B12.


9 posted on 09/15/2008 4:33:59 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: DogByte6RER

also have you ever noticed that carnivores are muscular and fast like tigers, lions, hawks, coyotes and sharks while herbivores are often slow and chubby like cows, geese, sloths, panda bears and hippos


10 posted on 09/15/2008 4:34:03 PM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: P.O.E.

Vegetables are what food eats.


11 posted on 09/15/2008 4:35:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GloriaJane

LOL! I saw this article and freaked out a little because I don’t eat red meat or pork. I have not eaten it since my teens and don’t miss it at all. I do eat chicken and a ton of fish though so I am hoping that compensates for some of it. The article also said dairy was good and I love cheese.

I could eat salad for breakfast and am a total veggie lover, but need protein to go with it or it gets bland.


12 posted on 09/15/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: DogByte6RER
What!
13 posted on 09/15/2008 4:36:28 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: edzo4
Ever heard the expression 'strong as an ox' ?

Also, the gorilla, strong and intelligent, and like humans, a natural herbivore.


14 posted on 09/15/2008 4:40:33 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: MissyMa

Milk products should be good.


15 posted on 09/15/2008 4:41:31 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: Nervous Tick

Yes...I have seen that episode. Check the P&T clip at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o


16 posted on 09/15/2008 4:41:31 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
These guys are good, aren't they?
17 posted on 09/15/2008 4:44:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: MissyMa

Don’t get me wrong... I love veggies... but you are so missing out on an inch thick medium rare prime dry aged ribeye grilled over a super hot lump charcoal fire... 3:45 first side, 3:25 second side and left to rest for 5 minutes. I would also suggest a Horseradishy Bearnaise sauce for dipping if desired.

Keeps the brain all happy.... belly too.


18 posted on 09/15/2008 4:46:32 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: libh8er

>> like humans, a natural herbivore

Humans are natural omnivores, beg your pardon.

God meant us to eat animals! He instructed us to eat animals.

What’s more, He, in His infinite wisdom, made animals out of meat. Why would he do that if we weren’t supposed to eat them?

I rest my case. :-)


19 posted on 09/15/2008 4:48:36 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Did my veggie shopping this afternoon - one case of long-neck hops, bag of chips, one corn-fed T-bone and two cigars. My food pyramid is covered.

When someone finally grows chocolate broccoli, I’ll make vegetarian fudge.


20 posted on 09/15/2008 4:48:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: libh8er

i’ll give you oxes are strong but I would say that gorillas are mostly vegetarian but will eat some protein from insects and other small creatures of the jungle, chimps will kill and eat other animals, violent, so like us


21 posted on 09/15/2008 4:48:57 PM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

HA! I know I am and most people think I am crazy. My father was a hunter and all of my family are meat eaters. When I was little I used to have to be forced to eat steak, pork chops, etc. I would gag and hated it.

I shouldn’t say that I didn’t eat red meat after my teens because I would eat it twice a week for my mother in law while pregnant and I would have to pour Heinz 57 all over the roast in order to get it down! Weird I know.

One thing I would like to try are BBQ baby back ribs from down south. I love watching the BBQ battles on Food Network and they always make them look so good. We can’t get BBQ like that in Massachusetts though


22 posted on 09/15/2008 4:52:05 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: libh8er

The human gut isn’t long enough for a human to be a true herbivore. Yes, we can and do eat vegetables, but we need meat as well.


23 posted on 09/15/2008 4:58:26 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: DogByte6RER

Ceee I tode U.
Mom if U arr reeding this U ohhh me an appowogee 4 making mee eet dat crap.


24 posted on 09/15/2008 5:04:50 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: DogByte6RER

Well, I don’t have this problem. For me, being a vegetarian is about saying YES to things, things like meat. The best vetarian’s love tasty creatures. Pork, Beef, Venison, Buffalo, Rabbit, Lamb- if you are what you eat, then all those tasty critters are the veggies they eat. :->


25 posted on 09/15/2008 5:11:28 PM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: sergeantdave
When someone finally grows chocolate broccoli, I’ll make vegetarian fudge.

You do realize chocolate is from a plant? BTW, one of the best things I've ever tasted was Chocolate Pudding made from Coco powder and Avocados.

26 posted on 09/15/2008 5:13:15 PM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: DogByte6RER
That article is horribly written. It refers to "the vitamin" before saying what specific vitamin it is referring to.

I am a vegetarian but I take a Flintstones (because they taste good) vitamin every day so I get enough B12.

27 posted on 09/15/2008 5:15:40 PM PDT by grundle
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To: DogByte6RER

“Eating vegetables shrinks the brain”...
“Vegans and vegetarians are the most likely to be deficient...”

Did you hear that Fred Grandy!!!


28 posted on 09/15/2008 5:16:14 PM PDT by bricklayer
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To: P.O.E.

LOL


29 posted on 09/15/2008 5:20:29 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now...... or die.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Does it shrink anything else, too?


30 posted on 09/15/2008 5:22:21 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: GloriaJane

I think their brains were teeny weeny even BEFORE they became vegetarians...


31 posted on 09/15/2008 5:24:19 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: MissyMa

Otay...I happen to be an avid BBQer. Here is how you can make them yourself:

Get a bullet style water smoker. (Great for beginners and cheap)
Something like this: http://www.barbecue-smoker-grill.com/smgrch.html or this: http://www.shopperschoice.com/item_name_Meco-5023I-Black-Charcoal-Water-Smoker_path_3-51-2110-2129-2167_item_4711.html

This one is the Cadillac of this style, but some people actually use them for competition cooking:

http://www.shopperschoice.com/item_name_Weber-Smokey-Mountain-Cooker-Charcoal-Smoker_path_3-51-2110-2129-2167_item_432.html

Get an electronic oven thermometer (One with the probe on a braided metal cord - wrap the cord in foil or it will get ruined. Have the probe at the level of the meat. Stick it in under the lid.)
Keep the BBQ temp at 225 ish (10 or 15 degrees higher or lower is fine) Add charcoal as needed. Keep water in the water pan. Adjust the vents to increase/decrease air flow and control the level of fire, and the temps. Top vents cool when open, bottom vents increase burn, and thus temps.

Night before pull the white membrane from the bone side with a pair of clean pliers. (Spare ribs only please - baby backs have 1/3 the flavor of spare ribs. Trust me on this. Most of that beautiful juiciness and superb mouth feel you get is from the connective tissues that break down during the low temp slow BBQ. Baby backs lack the connective tissues, and just don’t compare in flavor either.) Apply your rub. Leave in fridge overnight to allow the rub to penetrate.
(this isnt a bad rub:
* 4 tablespoons brown or turbanado sugar (since you BBQ low, the sugar never burns and is ok)
* 2 tablespoons ground paprika
* 1 tablespoon white sugar
* 1 tablespoon garlic salt
* 1 tablespoon celery salt
* 1 tablespoon chili powder
* 2 teaspoons fresh ground black pepper
* 1 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
* 1/2 teaspoon dry mustard
* 1 teaspoon curry powder )

Making the ribs takes 6 hours. The steps are always 3 hrs 2 hrs and 1 hr. 3 over smoke, 2 in foil to get the melt in your mouth qualities and let the collagen fully liquefy, and one back over smoke to firm the meat back up a tad and allow it to shrink back from the bones.

When you make the fire, light a couple of quarts of charcoal off on the side, pack the smoker with unlit charcoal (less 2 quarts room) and then pour the lit charcoal on top of the unlit. This gives you a nice slow fire that doesn’t often need tending. Add wood for flavor. Add the wood so as to get a light white smoke coming from the smoker... no more. Make sure it is well seasoned wood or you will get a nasty creosote taste on everything. Hickory chunks are available here at walmarts, etc. and works nicely, but I prefer fruit woods for pork. I get a quarter rick of apple wood from a local orchard every year.

Dont soak the wood. Let it burn. You want good and pretty complete combustion, not incomplete.

If you make your ribs like this you wont need or want BBQ sauce. They will be to die/cry for.

Just remeber 3hr on smoke, 2hr in tightly wrapped foil, and 1hr back over smoke. (I add half an apple juice concentrate can in the foil, but it isn’t needed. Also, make sure you foil the inside of your water bowl or it will be a pain in the neck to clean.

Don’t use Mesquite... you can use it when grilling, but if you try and smoke with it it is too strong. It will bitter the meat and be nasty.

ps. Throw a whole layer of taters prepped as if you are going to bake them, and fill that bottom rack. You have no idea how good smoked potato salad is, or eating them like bakers. Nuke them a bit and make mash is another option.


32 posted on 09/15/2008 5:44:01 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: grundle

I agree.

The article is NOT an example of fine journalistic writing. Maybe...because it is reported by an Indian news service, it is customary in India to write in vague terms first before later narrowing the specifics down later in the story. ??


33 posted on 09/15/2008 5:46:33 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
You can do all that! LOL, I would be exhausted after step 2!! HA!

I do look at the smokers whenever I go to Home Depot and fantasize about how it would look on my deck. I have to go this weekend and maybe they will be marked down because it is end of the season. I can't even imagine being able to figure out the thermometer!

Your recipe sounds so delicious I may have to try it. My kids would be forever in your debt because my ribs are always dry.

Thanks

34 posted on 09/15/2008 5:53:08 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: MissyMa

It takes a bit of time but me and the better half stream all kinds of stuff out onto the deck while we do this. Its a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon out on the deck streaming podcasts. I like to start with the best of Hugh Hewitt for the week, follow it up with an escape pod, and then the next installment of whatever audio book we are currently subscribed to. It is not near as much work as it sounds like. It is relaxing. (I actually have a wireless thermometer that allows me to go work in the yard, or whatever, and has high and low limits, and meat and smoker probes. I can be anywhere in the house or yard and if my temps go wonky, it starts beeping in my pocket)


35 posted on 09/15/2008 6:02:29 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: MissyMa

It takes a bit of time but me and the better half stream all kinds of stuff out onto the deck while we do this. Its a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon out on the deck streaming podcasts. I like to start with the best of Hugh Hewitt for the week, follow it up with an escape pod, and then the next installment of whatever audio book we are currently subscribed to. It is not near as much work as it sounds like. It is relaxing. (I actually have a wireless thermometer that allows me to go work in the yard, or whatever, and has high and low limits, and meat and smoker probes. I can be anywhere in the house or yard and if my temps go wonky, it starts beeping in my pocket)

Also, if you would like moist oven ribs, just follow the 3, 2, 1 method. (spare ribs only please... baby backs are more expensive and an inferior rib.) You can get liquid smoke at the grocery store. (It is real smoke collected from actual wood fires)

Marinade your ribs in apple juice with a half bottle of the hickory smoke stuff overnight. Dry and dry rub them... again leave overnight. Cook them in the oven at 225 for 3 hours on a broiler pan to allow them to drain. Foil up, and two more. Finish off with 1 hour out of the foil back on the broiler pan.

Here is the secret. Add a large pan with water to emulate the water smoker effect. Heat the water first, and then stick it in the oven. Then just keep it topped off every cpl hrs or so.

Easy peasy Japanesey.

Your kids owe me BIG! ;-)

It wont be as good as my smoker version... but it will blow the socks off of any non old style BBQ restaurant stuff you have tried.


36 posted on 09/15/2008 6:13:43 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: grundle

So essentially you are admitting that the vegetarian diet is not complete because you admit you must take your vitamins.


37 posted on 09/15/2008 6:21:42 PM PDT by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: DogByte6RER
Beer does less damage than wine according to a study in Alcohol and Alcoholism.

THAT'S a relief!

38 posted on 09/15/2008 7:02:28 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: DogByte6RER

Well, this settles one of my unanswered questions. Which comes first, vegetarianism or stupidity?


39 posted on 09/15/2008 7:03:44 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: DogByte6RER

Shrinking brains, big deal. If you want to get people’s attention, post an article on which foods shrink the penis.


40 posted on 09/15/2008 7:05:36 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: grundle; festus
Grundle, I'm a vegetarian too. Forty years without red meat although nowadays I have seafood twice a week or so because I crave it.

Anyone who wants to attack -- back off. It's not a religion and I don't think you should follow my diet. It's a preference. If I liked or wanted steak I'd eat it every day.

41 posted on 09/15/2008 7:20:23 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: fullchroma; festus

Heh heh. I do admit that plants alone don’t give us all of our necessary nutrients. I’m not upset by anything that anyone said.


42 posted on 09/15/2008 7:43:38 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I’m a recovering vegetarian myself. I was raised that way but I got out before my brain shrunk :-)

Have a great day.


43 posted on 09/15/2008 7:49:10 PM PDT by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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