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Out West, Obama Faces Gun Battle
ABC news ^ | September 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Jake Tapper

Posted on 09/15/2008 10:07:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

DENVER, Colo. -- Colorado is home to more than 100,000 dues-paying members of the National Rifle Association, all of whom should have received THIS MAILER sometime in the last week, which says he would be "the most anti-gun president in American history," and refers gun rights enthusiasts to the website GunBanObama.com.

Obama is aware of this of course, and he's on the radio airwaves out here -- as well as, according to readers of Ben Smith at Politico -- Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Maryland. Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire.

The ad features former Washington Redskin Ray Schoenke, who helms the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which styles itself as a moderate alternative to the NRA, while the NRA deems it to be a bogus bunch of gun-grabbers.

"It's important to me that our next President protects our Second Amendment rights to own guns and defend ourselves," says Schoenke. "Barack Obama and John McCain will both make sure we can keep our guns. But what about keeping our jobs? Barack's got a real plan that invests in creating jobs here at home and cuts taxes a thousand bucks for working families. John McCain? I saw a lot of cheap shots in my day, but McCain's false attacks on Obama are just a fake to hide the ball. His plan sells out American workers. McCain will keep giving tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas. And he'll look the other way while China breaks our trade deals. It's the same old Bush playbook. Look, when the coach loses eight years in a row, you don't bring him back for a ninth season! We just can't afford more of the same."

Listen to the ad HERE.

Obama's facing some tough skeptics out here, though, and comments like the ones he made in Duryea, Penn., earlier this month don't necessarily help.

"There’s rumors going around that you're going to take away the guns," said a hunter at a glass factory.

"I think this is a great question so I just want to clear it up," Obama said. "Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience. I believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are a law-abiding gun owner, you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration! I mean this has been this has been peddled again and again…

"I’ll be honest, and I’m sure there’s some NRA members here," Obama continued. "Their general attitude is 'Look, we don’t want anything, and if you even breathe the word "gun control" or "gun safety," then you must want to take away everybody’s guns.' Well, that’s just not true...

"The bottom line is this. If you’ve got a rifle, you’ve got a shotgun, you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away. Alright? So they can keep on talking about it but this is just not true. And by the way, here’s another thing you’ve got to understand. Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress."

That "I don't have the votes in Congress" line has ricocheted around the country…

- jpt


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; obamabiden

1 posted on 09/15/2008 10:07:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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“Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience.”

Dear O,

It’s not about the sportsmen.


2 posted on 09/15/2008 10:10:46 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Always beware of a politician who starts his sentences with

Look...

Let me be honest.....

To tell you the truth....

Uhhh UUUUhhhhor Uh Look!


3 posted on 09/15/2008 10:12:03 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Jet Jaguar
I saw a lot of cheap shots in my day, but McCain's false attacks on Obama are just a fake to hide the ball. His plan sells out American workers. McCain will keep giving tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas. And he'll look the other way while China breaks our trade deals. It's the same old Bush playbook. Look, when the coach loses eight years in a row, you don't bring him back for a ninth season! We just can't afford more of the same."

Amazing how he can talk about false attacks in the same breath he uses to push the lie that McCain and Bush--who loathe each other--are somehow the same person. How has John McCain been "coach" for eight years?

4 posted on 09/15/2008 10:12:52 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Amazing how he can talk about false attacks in the same breath he uses to push the lie that McCain and Bush--who loathe each other--are somehow the same person. How has John McCain been "coach" for eight years?

Not sure what your point is since McCain has generally run well to the left of GWB for the last eight years.

I wonder what really is important here, whether he is like Bush or whether or not his positions on the issues during the last eight years have been correct from a conservative perspective?
5 posted on 09/15/2008 10:17:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If the Dims retain or pick up seats in Congress he will have the votes and we will be looking at an even more draconian version of the so-called Assault Weapon Ban ...
AWB-2


6 posted on 09/15/2008 10:18:54 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Register likeminded voters while there is still time and join the NRA - Let's GOTV !)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Yep.


7 posted on 09/15/2008 10:19:55 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3991

On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!

Friday, June 06, 2008

On the Second Amendment,

Don’t Believe Obama!

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9


8 posted on 09/15/2008 10:23:47 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Not sure what your point is since McCain has generally run well to the left of GWB for the last eight years.

My point is he's nothing like Bush. "How has John McCain been "coach" for eight years?" should've tipped you off.

9 posted on 09/15/2008 10:24:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If there was even the most remote of doubts as to where B.O. is headed on the gun control front , we need to look no further than his VP pick .... Blowhard Biden :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vq06CHHTrk&feature=related


10 posted on 09/15/2008 10:25:48 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Register likeminded voters while there is still time and join the NRA - Let's GOTV !)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The Global Poverty Act that Obama sponsored in the senate exposes his views on guns. He doesn’t think people in the nations we’re going to send our money to should have small arms.

If he doesn’t think guns are good for citizens of foreign nations, he probably doesn’ think that they’re good for you either.


11 posted on 09/15/2008 10:26:44 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Jet Jaguar
the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which styles itself as a moderate alternative to the NRA,

BZZZZT! No, thanks.

NRA is as "moderate" as I care to go.

To disarm the people.....that was the most effectual way to enslave them.....

George Mason sez, shove it up your *bleep*!

12 posted on 09/15/2008 10:27:33 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Neu Pragmatist; Hugin; All

Keep the links and posts coming!


13 posted on 09/15/2008 10:27:36 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Only the liberal media would label a bunch of gun grabbers a "moderate" gun owners group. Sorry, that dog don't hunt in Flyover Country!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

14 posted on 09/15/2008 10:27:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SoConPubbie

McCain had the most detailed pro-gun section on his website out of all the Republican Primary contenders . That section is still up on his website which tells me that it wasn’t just “ red meat “ for the Primary voters ... It’s a good sign ..


15 posted on 09/15/2008 10:30:02 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Register likeminded voters while there is still time and join the NRA - Let's GOTV !)
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To: Jet Jaguar
the American Hunters and Shooters Association

Talk about doublespeak. This bunch of gun-grabbers has been running ads on Rush and Hannity non-stop in Pennsylvania. What I'd like to know is where the HELL is the NRA? If we could get Obama's real record on RKBA out in PA we have a real shot at winning here. And what needs to be said is: the American Hunters and Shooters Association is a group with a history of stealth attacks on gun ownership they hide under the rug of "sensible restrictions on firearms." All you need to know are two things: 1) The fact that Barack Obama is using such a group as his mouthpiece on gun rights is a dead giveaway and 2) Right up until the day of the SCOTUS decision in DC vs. Heller, Barack Obama believed that a total ban on handguns was consistent with the 2nd Amendment.

16 posted on 09/15/2008 10:32:55 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Don't tase me, Pa!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away.

not without all the bullets that come with it, you (nor your JBTs) aren't.

I wonder if bHo has some nice land in Florida to sell...

17 posted on 09/15/2008 10:34:33 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Obama NRA rating F, GOA rating F-.

Obama "gun friendly" = LIAR.

18 posted on 09/15/2008 10:34:55 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

ASHA is about as far left as bHo is...just another front group for the anti-gunners.


19 posted on 09/15/2008 10:36:11 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: castlebrew
The Left can't get anywhere being honest. They must be LIARS and FRAUDS.

And their mindless worshipers suck smelly wind after them.

No shame. No self-respect. Sociopaths.

20 posted on 09/15/2008 10:39:40 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Neu Pragmatist
McCain had the most detailed pro-gun section on his website out of all the Republican Primary contenders . That section is still up on his website which tells me that it wasn’t just “ red meat “ for the Primary voters ... It’s a good sign ..

And yet a careful inspection of his record on 2nd amendment, 1st amendment, and a whole host of issues shows he has real problems with the conservative positions on these issues and regularly chooses to run to the left to support his "Maverick" moniker.

Now if your point is he is better than Obama, I can easily grant you that but my original post on this thread still stands.

McCain has regularly run to the left of GWB, way left!
21 posted on 09/15/2008 10:46:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Not on the Gun Issue . This thread is about gun control . McCain has been consistent in his opposition to the AWB and AWB-2 . Bush said he would support it if it made it to his desk ...it was a wink and a nod to get elected , but he still said it .

McCain has not shied away from his opposition to the AWB-2 . McCain has indeed ,in the past, flirted with closing the so-called “ gun show loophole “ , but that was the extent of it .

Oh and please don’t forget , Bush signed into law McCain / Feingold when he could have stopped it in his tracks .


22 posted on 09/15/2008 10:57:30 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Register likeminded voters while there is still time and join the NRA - Let's GOTV !)
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To: goldstategop

Yeah...there ain’t nothing moderate about these fools. They can’t beat us so the want to deceive us into getting our guns.


23 posted on 09/15/2008 11:03:56 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Texas4ever

Take it from someone in the used car business for a long time. Never say “honestly” the second you say it, you imply everything before was BS. Always use “frankly” Thats a word you should look out for.....


24 posted on 09/15/2008 11:14:35 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I noticed that he didn’t say anything about being able to keep your handgun.


25 posted on 09/15/2008 11:25:02 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Jet Jaguar

I think that one thing those of us in the gun rights movement have failed to do is to point out to sportsmen how tough the rats make it for them to hunt and fish. Let’s face it, there are probably about 30% of gun owners who really don’t care about the right to bear arms so long as they can keep their hunting guns and maybe a pistol for self-defense. The thing we need to point out to these folks is that the rats are a nightmare when it comes to hunting and fishing regulations as well.


26 posted on 09/16/2008 12:26:39 AM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Obama picked Biden. McCain picked Palin. That should tell you who really supports guns


27 posted on 09/16/2008 12:27:55 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: Texas4ever

Or “As we All know.”


28 posted on 09/16/2008 12:28:52 AM PDT by gigster
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To: SoConPubbie

McCain was against the DC gun ban even though he would not win a single vote there. That proves that he really believes in the 2nd amendment...it’s not about hunting. It’s about freedom from tyranny.

It was John McCain and not Sarah Palin who said:

“The Second Amendment isn’t some archaic custom that matters only to rural Americans, who find solace in firearms out of frustration with their economic circumstances. The Second Amendment is unique in the world. It guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our Founding Fathers.”


29 posted on 09/16/2008 12:37:43 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Out West, Obama Faces Gun Battle and he's bringing a knife.
30 posted on 09/16/2008 1:57:42 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jet Jaguar

31 posted on 09/16/2008 4:36:20 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: ari-freedom

I would ask the Obama campaign to list the specific pro-gun bills Obama voted FOR while in either the Illinois or U.S. Senate.

Stupid is as stupid does. If he always votes againsts guns, why would anyone think he would be pro-gun as president?

Now, apply the same test to McCain.


32 posted on 09/16/2008 5:00:57 AM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: FredZarguna

You’re asking where in the hell is the NRA. That’s pathetic. The NRA is wondering where in the hell is the 75 million gun owners who don’t do anything except sit on the sidelines.

There are four million NRA members. There are forty million members of the antigun AARP.


33 posted on 09/16/2008 5:04:09 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Yeah, a yearly membership costs $35, its not going to break the bank.

In the meantime, maybe our side needs to do a little of this stealth (i.e. false) advertising. We could have a group that calls itself abortion on demands for America. This group could claim that McCain wants to have as many abortions on demand as possible. Thats about the same integrity as this “American and Hunters Shooting Association” has.


34 posted on 09/16/2008 5:59:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Jet Jaguar

That ad is playing in Nevada as well. Heard it this morning on the way into work. Barry Hussein is coming to Nevada this week and I can’t understand it. He’s not going to Union rich Vegas but is instead headed out to Elko. That is bigtime ranching and cowboy country. That county usually votes 70-75% Republican. Maybe he hopes to bring it down to a more respectable 68-73%.


35 posted on 09/16/2008 10:09:51 AM PDT by Crapgame (There's no place I'd rather be than right here, with my FRedneck, white socks and Blue Ribbon Beer)
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To: Jet Jaguar
That "I don't have the votes in Congress" line has ricocheted around the country…

The comments at the source seem to acknowledge what he would do if he had the votes.

36 posted on 09/16/2008 11:29:44 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

Exactly.


37 posted on 09/16/2008 11:31:07 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
I would ask the Obama campaign to list the specific pro-gun bills Obama voted FOR while in either the Illinois or U.S. Senate.

Believe it or not. BHO voted for a ban on gun confiscations during emergencies like Katrina.

"In 2006, he voted with an 84 to 16 majority…to prohibit confiscation of firearms during an emergency, but that is his only pro-gun vote in Springfield or Washington."

38 posted on 09/16/2008 11:48:12 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: FlyVet

This is why they can’t understand how to deal with Palin.

What you see is what she is. Authenticity.

I’d really like to bait them into exposing what they really believe, but they ARE smarter than that.


39 posted on 09/16/2008 11:51:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Dear BHO,

I own this:

Do you have a problem with this fact?

Sincerely,

- CTD

40 posted on 09/16/2008 11:59:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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PS: It’s not for hunting or sport.


41 posted on 09/16/2008 12:00:03 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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