Texas High School Student Told Rosary Is 'Gang Symbol'

FOX News.com ^ | September 16, 2008

[wideawake]

While the standard wine in use in the USA is generally a red table wine, any wine made from grapes is acceptable.

In large parts of the German Catholic world, whites are quite common.

But red is generally preferred worldwide, because of its physical resemblance to blood - reminding the faithful of what the wine actually becomes when it is consecrated.

[mnehring]

At a Anglican church I used to attend (the one in question), they actually used Port. Others I’ve seen used Mogen David Kosher wine.

[gura]

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[sassbox]

Sad to say, it is not uncommon for Mexican and Central American gangs to hijack Catholic imagery - in particular rosaries, pictures of Our Lady of Guadalupe, baroque-style crucifixes and crosses, etc - for gang symbolism. If this particular school district has a problem with gangs who use rosaries as gang symbols, I can hardly blame them for banning rosaries. It certainly sucks for the young lady, however.

[Condor51]

I found this. It's from a Gang Awareness handbook
http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/pdf/awareness.pdf (NOTE, its .pdf)

The use of colored rosary beads and other religious articles have also been noted. These are subtle indicators of gang membership and are often hard to notice if you are not looking for them. With the introduction of strict dress codes and the use of uniforms in the school systems these type of indicators seem to be favored by the gangsters.

Scum bags.

[Petronski]

Maybe she joined the Jesus and Mary Chain gang.

[Redbob]

"Well, maybe it shouldn’t be considered as jewelry, but..."

No, there are no maybes or buts about it: you don't wear a rosary!

And if you're wearing it, well, it could well be because you ARE using it as a gang symbol.

[thefrankbaum]

See my posts 23 and 39 - you CAN wear a rosary! Sheesh...Irish Catholics and their cultural imperialism ;-)

[AnAmericanMother]

I disagree.

I think it's Father Zuhlsdorf of WDTPRS (or maybe it's Father Trigilio of EWTN) who says a Rosary on the mirror (I keep mine on the gearshift) is a good reminder to say his prayers . . . .

It isn't a fashion accessory, though, for sure. It's a sacramental!!!

[AnAmericanMother]

In our former ECUSA parish, jug port was the standard wine.

Technically that's not permissible, because port is adulterated (with brandy or grain alcohol) and thus not proper matter for consecration.

I don't think that is really one of the 2,242 reasons we left the Episcopal Church, but . . . .

[mnehring]

Thanks for that.
We left the Episcopal church as well, parking in a non-denominational right now. I do miss communion every week versus the quarterly grape juice communion at the ND church- there was something about reaffirming your faith every week.

[AnAmericanMother]

We were so High Church our noses bled . . . in fact we mentioned to the Deacon when we started attending a Catholic church that we ‘missed the consolation of the Sacrament’ . . . . which resulted in an appointment with the rector and an abbreviated OCIA course . . . . .

[pray4liberty]

Maybe things have changed.

http://www.tldm.org/tldmstore/PersonalProtectionPacket.htm

[AnAmericanMother]

The "Bayside movement" and the alleged visions of Veronica Leuken have been condemned in no uncertain terms by the Bishop of Brooklyn as inauthentic and harmful.

Declaration Concerning the Bayside Movement.

[Mad Dawg]

We were so High Church our noses bled . . . in fact we mentioned to the Deacon when we started attending a Catholic church that we ‘missed the consolation of the Sacrament’

I don't know why but that completely cracks me up.

As to wine, specified unadulterated grape wine, but something like a Tokay or other sweet wine was good because a sweet wine lasts longer once it's opened. Real Port, being fortified, ain't kosher.

Sipping a nice Cockburn as we speak ...

[Mad Dawg]

This may start something I don't want to start, but as a former PECUSA priest-type-indwiddle who swam the Tiber and clambered up the bank on the other side on 12/26/94, I'm here to tell you, "Aint' nuthin' like the real thing, baby."

This is not only affirming your faith, it's like being a beautiful woman walking down an alley in the wrong part of town late at night: Jesus gone sneak up on you and pop you one on the haid -- and your life will never be the same.

Batter my heart ...

[AnAmericanMother]

I was being deliberately old-fashioned when I said it (being an absolute newbie I didn't want to sound too Episcopalian) and it certainly got a reaction. . . I must have sounded like a 75-year-old nun.

My husband got me a bottle of Cockburn '55 for my 40th birthday (in 1995). We had people lining up to beg a thimbleful . . . .

I've switched over to Taylor Fladgate for some reason.

"Once it's been opened, you know it won't keep,
Do have a bit, it will help you to sleep!
Oh, have some Madeira, my dear!
I have quite a small cask of it here . . . . "

[AnAmericanMother]

HAVE you heard the Christopher Wordsworth setting of "Batter My Heart"?

Actually, all four settings of the Sacred Sonnets are incredible. Modern, but incredible.

[Mad Dawg]

I haven’t heard those. Full data please?

I once had a 100 year old Madeira and once one that one 120 years old! No kidding! They were awful but you could tell they once were great.

Flanders and Swan! Ou sont les funnymen d’antan? My mom was at Oxford with Flanders.

[pray4liberty]

Tldm.org was the only place I could find a scapular, a miraculous medal and a rosary in one package.

The Church initially debunked Lourdes and Fatima, and St. Bernadette and the Fatima children suffered personal persecutions as a result.

Whether Mrs. Lueken's visions are authentic or not--and that's not for me to say--we have to look to the results generated: more Catholics are praying the Rosary and wearing their sacramentals. That's the last thing the Devil would want.

One thing is true: the Church has tolerated corruption for far too long, and now Pope Benedict has his hands full throwing the moneychangers out of the Lord's temple.

When I went to Catechism back in the 60's, some San Francisco bishop announced that teaching the Rosary was old fashioned and unnecessary. As a result we never learned how to pray it. I didn't learn how to pray the Rosary until I was an adult and found tldm.org.