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Big Three ask for billions
The Hill ^ | 17 Sep 2008 | Ian Swanson and Jared Allen

Posted on 09/17/2008 8:06:49 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: BGHater

Definitely. I am kind of busy right now (at work) but I will Freepmail you when I get a chance. Thanks.


21 posted on 09/17/2008 8:35:27 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: BGHater

Totally not worth it. Driving a hybrid might make people feel better about themselves, but they are a horrible investment at the present time if you are looking to save money by purchasing one. I can’t see paying $45,000 for what is probably a $17,00 car to save money on gas mileage. Not to mention, they will cost a small fortune for any repairs.


22 posted on 09/17/2008 8:37:06 PM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: KoRn

Also, keep in mind, as soon as the car, any car, leaves the lot, the price for it drops for resell.


23 posted on 09/17/2008 8:38:41 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: BGHater
But the Lexus LS600H Hybrid provides at least $25,000 of smug, so I'm $6,000 ahead if I buy it.
24 posted on 09/17/2008 8:39:43 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The break-in of Gov. Palin's email account is the equivalent of the Watergate break-in.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Why give them $25 mil

Uh, they are asking for $25 Billion, with a "B".

25 posted on 09/17/2008 8:44:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: randomhero97
As far as investments go, what do you think about Peter Schiff's firm?

Never heard of it, I'm actually just doing a lot of reading right now and seeing what's out there. I'll say this though. I have no intention on retiring here in WI, freezing to death and paying hundreds of dollars in monthly heating and energy bills.

26 posted on 09/17/2008 8:45:29 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: old curmudgeon

It’s amazing how the very liberal special-interest groups are the ones hurting the workers that continuously vote Democrat. Do these myopic union autoworkers realize that it is the envirowackos and Democrats with their love of taxes that are hurting their wages?


27 posted on 09/17/2008 8:51:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: BGHater

It makes no sense to help out the auto industry when it’s the financials that are hurting.


28 posted on 09/17/2008 9:25:10 PM PDT by popdonnelly (I'll tell you a little secret: we're smarter and more competent than the Left.)
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To: BGHater
I own a 2008 Mercury Mariner. The published numbers are total BS. We average 27.3 MPG during the Fall and Spring when we don't need to heat or cool the vehicle interior. Summer air conditioning drops us to 25.2 MPG. Winter heating drops mileage to around 21.8 MPG. The vehicle has NEVER exceeded 28 MPG since the day it left the showroom floor. The purported $3,000 tax credit turned into only $1202 when I filed my income taxes. Another big lie. Gas was under $3/gallon when we made the purchase. Prices topped out at $4.11 around Pocatello this summer. We just broke 29,000 miles, so our usage is consistent with the amounts in the table. The difference is that most our mileage is long distance...100 to 400 mile trips. My wife's commute is a whole 1.1 miles.

The "out the door price" for our Mariner was around $32,000. The dealer gave us $13,500 trade-in for the 2003 Escape 4x4 with 70,000 miles. We purchased it for $23,000 with 20,000 miles on it. That works out to 19 cents per mile + gas on the old Escape.

As much as I like the electric mode of the hybrid, it won't tow anything. The electrical system is a specialty arrangement, so many "accessories" are a no-go. Next time I'll go for a standard V6 gas engine with 4x4 and towing capability. I'm happy to pay extra for leather seats with "seat heat", the integral nav system and satellite radio. That was worth the money. They hybrid was pointless.

29 posted on 09/17/2008 9:41:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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I knew this was coming, it was only a matter of time. This is beyond sickening. Every interest group is coming out of the woodwork with their hat out to the government.

Yup. They don't want to be the only ones not bleeding the taxpayer dry.

Of course, if congresscritters really wanted to do something useful, they could pass a bill to rescind the bill requiring production of those stupid hybrids that noone wants to buy, and repealing the CAFE requirements.

30 posted on 09/17/2008 9:49:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
“Clear from your mind any notion of a bailout,” Pelosi told reporters after the meeting. “This is about innovation.”

Yeah, whatever Nancy...innovation as MANDATED BY GOVERNMENT is hardly innovation...



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31 posted on 09/17/2008 9:52:03 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: BGHater

Does anyone in politics seriously not care that we don’t actually have the money to do this? Oh that’s right, we have the printing press.


32 posted on 09/17/2008 10:10:29 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: bamahead

But government mandates protect us from “evil corporations” and serve the “public good”.


33 posted on 09/17/2008 10:12:37 PM PDT by djsherin
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On Wednesday, McCain offered rousing support for the Big Three in a speech at a GM plant in Grand Rapids, Mich. He said Wall Street firms were receiving taxpayer support, and that the auto industry and autoworkers were also deserving of help.

McCain is a bold-faced liar for supporting another bailout after he publicly promised to "protect taxpayers from more bailouts."

And that goes the same for Palin too, if she does nothing to resist McCain's march towards Socialism and Big Government.

34 posted on 09/17/2008 10:20:24 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (No, no se puede, Juan! No to bailouts, no to amnesty, no to carbon credits, no to Big Government!)
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But government mandates protect us from “evil corporations” and serve the “public good”.

The only thing that Government serves is Government. The little people are expendable when no longer useful as cash cows or as sources of votes.

When will people wake up and realize that the current Government is basically just a Corporation with monopoly status and armed forces ready to enforce its will?

35 posted on 09/17/2008 10:23:05 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (No, no se puede, Juan! No to bailouts, no to amnesty, no to carbon credits, no to Big Government!)
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***When will people wake up and realize that the current Government is basically just a Corporation with monopoly status and armed forces ready to enforce its will?***

When it’s too late.

The problem with Democracy is the break down from individual rights to group mentality, class warfare, and the whim of the majority as law. That’s why we were supposed to be a Republic.


36 posted on 09/17/2008 10:32:20 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: El Gato

yeah, billion, not million, but the idea is the same.


37 posted on 09/18/2008 5:16:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (don't worry, they only want to take water out of the other guy's side of the bucket.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“When will people wake up and realize that the current Government is basically just a Corporation with monopoly status and armed forces ready to enforce its will? “

Exactly. And what makes us think that we have anything to do with the hiring of it’s President & CEO? Hell, I don’t even trust elections anymore. The ‘powers that be’ have an agenda and it seems we are just being led to believe we have any say in the outcome. Anyone else convinced we are being led by the nose and don’t even ‘know’ it, by the elitists over at the Federal Reserve? If not them, who?


38 posted on 09/18/2008 5:32:23 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER. / NOTHING will change with McCain.)
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To: BGHater

Enough is enough. These three coasted for decades without any forward thinking and produced silly cars. Now no one wants them. I love it when they now boast of “over 30 mpg” cars in their ads. They had the time and the money to produce really fuel efficient vehicles and did nothing. They deserve to go down.


39 posted on 09/18/2008 6:04:08 AM PDT by AdaGray
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McShamnesty Fools Gold

40 posted on 09/18/2008 6:56:12 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Palin is sugar on a turd ... No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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