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Shock Forced Paulson's Hand - <i>A Black Wednesday on Credit Markets; 'Heaven Help Us All'</i>
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/19/2008 | Deborah Solomon, Liz Rappaport, Damian Paletta and Jon Hilsenrath

Posted on 09/19/2008 5:52:08 PM PDT by politicket

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To: Almondjoy
I never understood allowing short selling in the first place.

I very rarely have participated in selling anything short - however, it is a very much needed component to form a proper market. You can't just have investors lining up on one side of the company's balance sheet. It would be too easy for that company to manipulate their worth and nobody would be the wiser.

61 posted on 09/19/2008 8:38:34 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: politicket

Any politician and any employee of a politician, which Paulson is, cannot allow option A to happen. If only to save his own skin. You have to be seen to be doing _something_. Nothing was what the Fed tried during the Great Depression.

Will it only delay the inevitable? Probably. But perhaps the landing can be cushioned somehow. I have no idea how, but it is certainly worth trying.


62 posted on 09/19/2008 8:39:17 PM PDT by burster
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To: what's up

“even the announcement of the plan has gotten money moving again”

That’s what’s meant by our money being backed by the “faith & trust”... once a critical mass o the population don’t have faith and trust in the system, the system implodes.


63 posted on 09/19/2008 8:40:14 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: madison10

“Where do you keep the cash? In the bank?”

At home waiting to take advantage of others errors and foolishness!


64 posted on 09/19/2008 8:40:40 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: gost2
The Oil rich nations cannot afford for the West to go through a financial collapse.

Sure they can - now that countries in the Far East own so many of our Treasury Bills. This will actually give the "Oil rich nations" an incentive to not have to peg to the U.S. Dollar anymore.

65 posted on 09/19/2008 8:41:44 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Stop buying imports.

Buying imports is fine. It's when we don't have equalizing exports that things begin to go haywire. The only thing that we're exporting large amounts of is Treasury Bills.

66 posted on 09/19/2008 8:43:26 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: burster
I have no idea how, but it is certainly worth trying.

This is my frustration. Unless someone can show a REALLY good reason how this can work then why is it worth trying?

67 posted on 09/19/2008 8:44:49 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: politicket

Sorry. We go bust ... they lose half their income ... for a looooong time.


68 posted on 09/19/2008 8:45:32 PM PDT by gost2
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To: politicket

No buying imports is NOT fine for us, any more. We can no longer affort to pretend things are just fine.

The countries we (should) be exporting to, have been playing us for fools.

Unfortunately, most of our business sector, has obliged.

By being ... fools.


69 posted on 09/19/2008 8:45:47 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 93 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: BlazingArizona

Even Russian Roubles will be worth more than the dollar if this keeps up. And Russia has been having financial problems of its own.

Chinese markets have also been struggling, especially after the Olympics. The world is having an economic slowdown.


70 posted on 09/19/2008 8:46:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Russia is running a large trade surplus.

Something we have evidently forgotten, is important.

Ain’t “free trade” grand?


71 posted on 09/19/2008 8:47:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 93 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: politicket
but you don't understand the fundamentals of economics

Pretty general statement with no fact behind it.

And if you want to see "worse" you would already have seen it in the last 2 days without the Fed/Treasury action.

72 posted on 09/19/2008 8:51:15 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
No buying imports is NOT fine for us, any more.

My point was that it is find as long as it is balanced by true exports - not meaningless ones meant to fudge numbers.

Absent this, then we should not be importing like we currently are - especially from China.

73 posted on 09/19/2008 8:52:25 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: politicket

I must admit I’m sorely tempted to use this opportunity to greatly lighten my stocks. Of course, since I owned Constellation Energy, Warren Buffet is taking care of some of that for me. :-<

It’s just because frankly, while I understand some of what happens in markets, I have no stomach for knowing I’m losing money. It just bothers me more than it’s worth at this point.

Of course, if I was serious about that, I would have done something today. I didn’t.


74 posted on 09/19/2008 8:52:36 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: sanchmo

Good point. It was good to see some of that “faith & trust” restored this week.


75 posted on 09/19/2008 8:53:11 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Simple solution:

My suggestion: DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW. It may not be sufficient, but it will certainly help.

76 posted on 09/19/2008 8:55:30 PM PDT by supercat
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To: politicket

America’s trade policy has become that of a battered wife.

Series.

We submit, because we’re afraid those whose stuff we buy, will get mad.

What is wrong with us?

How did we get to this point??


77 posted on 09/19/2008 8:56:00 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 93 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: what's up
And if you want to see "worse" you would already have seen it in the last 2 days without the Fed/Treasury action.

I saw it WITH the Fed/Treasury action.

Let's review: the U.S. government nationalized an entire sector of our country and nobody seems to care; the government is creating powers and/or an organization to put us (in reality) $2 trillion dollars further into debt; the massive problems in the derivatives market that threatened to shut down the global economy are still there - and won't be solved by "fixing" the mortgage problem....etc...etc...etc...

78 posted on 09/19/2008 8:57:31 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Of course, if I was serious about that, I would have done something today. I didn’t.

Sorry FRiend...I can't give you advice one way or the other. I can only tell you what I've done, and my reasoning behind it.

79 posted on 09/19/2008 8:58:50 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: what's up
It was good to see some of that “faith & trust” restored this week.

Don't misread it.

What you saw the last two days was not "faith & trust"

It was "greed & lust"

The fundamentals of the market should have never shown what happened the last two days. It's simply speculators hoping to make a quick buck off of government guarantees. Pretty sweet deal - as long as the U.S. dollar actually means something. When it ceases to - then watch out below...

80 posted on 09/19/2008 9:01:59 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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