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Obama Won't Cruise To Win In Debates (Hurl alert)
IBD Editorial ^ | September 19, 2008 | DAVID S. BRODER

Posted on 09/19/2008 6:30:38 PM PDT by Kaslin

Friday evening in Oxford, Miss., Barack Obama and John McCain will meet in the first presidential debate of 2008, and this dramatic campaign will in all likelihood reach another turning point.

The matchup could have come much earlier, but Obama turned down McCain's invitation to join in a series of joint town hall meetings during the summer. That would have allowed both men to ease into personal confrontation with relatively small audiences and similarly modest stakes.

Now they meet with terribly high expectations on both of them, and little room for error. McCain, after enjoying a brief boost in his fortunes from the Republican convention and the unveiling of Sarah Palin, has fallen back into his pre-convention position, lagging slightly behind. Obama still is unable to lock down 270 electoral votes, because he is falling well short of the lead that Democrats enjoy generically over the Republican opposition this year.

Obama is known for his eloquence, while McCain often struggles even when given a decent script to read. That creates an expectation that the Democrat ought to dominate when the two men are directly compared.

But when I discussed the coming debate with one of the Democrats' most experienced debate handlers — a man who helped prepare Hillary Clinton for the primary debates and now is advising Obama — he said, "No matter what others say, I think this is a very even matchup."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; debates; downplayexpectations; mccain; mccainpalin; obama; obamabiden
Obama is known for his eloquence, while McCain often struggles even when given a decent script to read.

What a piece of crap. The empty suit is all over the place without his teleprompter. There is nothing eloquent about him

1 posted on 09/19/2008 6:30:39 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

All this tells us is that Obama is a better reader than McCain. So if the ability to read a script and master command of voice inflection is a major function of the CIC, Obama is your man.


2 posted on 09/19/2008 6:33:01 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Kaslin
I've got an Obam-UH drinking party to attend and we're locking our keys in a safe until were sober enough to drive home.

See you all in February. /s

3 posted on 09/19/2008 6:33:52 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I Love The Smell Of Schmidt Storm in the Morning...and Afternoon....and at Night!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin
Broder hasn't been relevant in over 30 years.
4 posted on 09/19/2008 6:34:57 PM PDT by appleharvey
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
The MSM/Drivebys are signaling they expect Obama to win the debates. And they will declare him the winner regardless of how he actually performs. Its a setup.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/19/2008 6:36:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

How can you not be amazed at the different perceptions that other humans adopt. Either only one of us, or neither of us, is correct in our perceptions, yet many of us are willing to parish in defense of our point of view. (As am I) It has been ever thus.


6 posted on 09/19/2008 6:37:33 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Kaslin

PBS, CBS AND NBC will no doubt slip Obama a list of the questions well in advance of the debate.


7 posted on 09/19/2008 6:37:49 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: Kaslin

WTFH is “eloquent” about “uh, you know; uh, uh, I uh; let me just, that is, you know...”?


8 posted on 09/19/2008 6:39:46 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: Paperdoll

“PBS, CBS AND NBC will no doubt slip Obama a list of the questions well in advance of the debate.”

Doesn’t matter.

Even when he has things memorized, he screws up what he says.

Can’t wait to see him hem and haw his way around.


9 posted on 09/19/2008 6:40:41 PM PDT by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: Paperdoll
They don't have to. They will be very friendly and relaxed towards the Democrats and hostile and skeptical towards the Republicans. With the MSM, its not so much the questions as how they're asked.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 09/19/2008 6:41:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
BINGO!
11 posted on 09/19/2008 6:41:51 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I Love The Smell Of Schmidt Storm in the Morning...and Afternoon....and at Night!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

McCain, after enjoying a brief boost in his fortunes - BARF!

Obama is known for his eloquence - BARF!

starts slowly and finishes with a more complex, if sophisticated, answer - BARF!

despite not being able to identify with aspects of his exotic life story, they can trust him - BARF!


12 posted on 09/19/2008 6:42:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Kaslin

Could someone tell me on what Friday night the debate is?


13 posted on 09/19/2008 6:45:26 PM PDT by blueyon (Every one should get their 15 mins under the bus)
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To: Mrs.Z

>Can’t wait to see him hem and haw his way around,<

LOL! Me too.


14 posted on 09/19/2008 6:45:28 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: Kaslin

Why do only Democrat hacks get to moderate debates?


15 posted on 09/19/2008 6:45:58 PM PDT by roses of sharon (The MSM vampires must die!)
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To: Kaslin
Obama is known for his eloquence

I..um..disagree..

16 posted on 09/19/2008 6:46:02 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: Paperdoll

I think they’ve given the list of questions to all presidential debaters for years. Which is another reason why a townhall forum would be far more interesting.


17 posted on 09/19/2008 6:49:50 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: Kaslin
Question to Obama at MSM debate: "Do babies love you?"
Obama's response after his teleprompter tells him how to respond "Ye.. Uh..Um..S. Yes!"
Follow up question to McCain: "So how long have you been eating babies?"
18 posted on 09/19/2008 6:51:49 PM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: skr

Small wonder why Obama refuses the Town-hall route.


19 posted on 09/19/2008 6:53:34 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: skr
Which is another reason why a townhall forum would be far more interesting.

Better still would be to allow each candidate's team to select or write up questions for the other candidate. In a 'town hall' debate, the questions are screened by moderators who are supposed to be impartial but never are. I'd much rather see a debate where questions are selected or drafted by openly-partisan people. Things would be much more interesting that way.

20 posted on 09/19/2008 7:12:07 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Kaslin

Obama has yet to win a debate but Broder says he will win.

Its an unapologetic statement that we the Media will decide that he won regardless of his performance.


21 posted on 09/19/2008 7:27:09 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: blueyon

Friday Sept 26th.

VP debate following Thursday, Oct. 2. This is the one I’m looking forward to.


22 posted on 09/19/2008 7:34:16 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: roses of sharon
Why do only Democrat hacks get to moderate debates?
Because ever since the 1968 liberal takeover of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has been the political wing of Big Journalism. Thus, the only difference between a "liberal Democrat" and an "objective journalist" is that the latter has a job as a reporter and the former does not.

23 posted on 09/19/2008 7:36:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Kaslin

McCain has always been more than solid in debates. Obama, without a teleprompter, is far from eloquent. He stammers and stutters and wracks his brain for what to say next.

The only chance Obama has to outdo McCain is if the slimeballs in the Obama friendly media leak him the questions in advance and fire loaded questions at McCain.


24 posted on 09/19/2008 7:45:14 PM PDT by GeeMoney (Hey Obama, it's God BLESS America!)
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To: Kaslin
<<>> Yeah, I believe that quote. Although maybe the "Republican" was Gergen. Did Obama win a single debate during the Dem primaries? I thought he got his clock cleaned by Hillary in every one I saw. And his performance at Saddleback relative to McCain's certainly doesn't show that Uhhhbama is in another league when he doesn't have his teleprompter.
25 posted on 09/19/2008 7:46:37 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: Kaslin
All you need to know about David Broder is this:

In the first year of Clinton's Presidency, when Bill was saying "we may be able to balance the budget in 10 years," and his budget director was saying "deficit reduction is really not our priority." Mr Broder rushed to the defense of the Dems to shore up support among the Perotistas who'd gotten Bill elected by writing (and I am not making this up) There really is no such thing as a deficit, because assets and liabilities, at the end of the day always have to balance on the sheet.

Howzat again?

That's right. This bonehead actually believes that because there must be a mathematical balance of positives and negatives, there is a net zero flow of actual cash in every budget. This is why liberals think you don't need to stop at gas stations: just go and inflate your tires.

26 posted on 09/19/2008 8:14:37 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Don't tase me, Pa!)
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To: Kaslin

Obama got beat by a girl in the Democratic debates.


27 posted on 09/19/2008 8:19:16 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: supercat

>>>I’d much rather see a debate where questions are selected or drafted by openly-partisan people. Things would be much more interesting that way. <<<

I’m with you. The moderators for the next debate should be Keith Olberman and Rush Limbaugh, each providing questions for the candidate on the other side of their ideology. That would be a real eye-opener.

The other idea I’ve always had is a real debate in the old-fashioned style, with two candidates squaring off in the Lincoln-Douglas style.

What we have now is just a chance for the candidates to BS their way through gotcha questions and softballs for the homeboy. In the real world, the president will have to confront some pretty tough characters; it would be appreciated if we could see how they handle pressure and an aggressive foe.


28 posted on 09/19/2008 9:26:35 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: redpoll
The moderators for the next debate should be Keith Olberman and Rush Limbaugh, each providing questions for the candidate on the other side of their ideology. That would be a real eye-opener.

Makes it sound like the two are comparable, which they are not.

29 posted on 09/19/2008 9:30:50 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy

>>>The moderators for the next debate should be Keith Olberman and Rush Limbaugh, each providing questions for the candidate on the other side of their ideology. That would be a real eye-opener.<<<

{{{Makes it sound like the two are comparable, which they are not.}}}

I just got in from harvesting the carrots and turnips and potatoes; I’m all wet from a hard driving rain; it looks like snow is coming in a few days; and you’re right - I had a hard time coming up with the leftist guy to balance Rush, and I’m cold and tired, so I picked Olberman instead of Alan Colmes and pressed the “post” button. On the other hand, the spectacle of Olberman sputtering and pontificating in his typical loud stupid manner would be grand entertainment. I agree that the two aren’t comparable.


30 posted on 09/19/2008 9:35:36 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: Kaslin

The only way Obama bin Biden loses debate in eyes of MSM
is if he arrives dressed as a muslim.


31 posted on 09/19/2008 11:06:29 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Obama liked EVERY tax increase...he voted 94 times for tax increases!)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
See you all in February. /s

February of which year? I'm thinking 2019 at the earliest. :)

32 posted on 09/20/2008 12:16:45 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (If I wanted a Chicago politician as my President, I'd vote for Richard Daley)
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To: wayoverthehill

thanks


33 posted on 09/20/2008 3:18:15 AM PDT by blueyon (Every one should get their 15 mins under the bus)
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To: Kaslin
Obama is known for his eloquence...

"Uh..uh...uh...you know" is eloquence? Who knew?

34 posted on 09/20/2008 3:27:47 AM PDT by Allegra (Hang in there, Houston. I love ya.)
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