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Hope, Change, & Lies: Orchestrated "Grassroots" Smear Campaigns & the People that Run Them
MyPetJawa ^ | September 21, 2008 | Dr. Rusty Shackleford

Posted on 09/21/2008 9:30:11 PM PDT by Toki

Extensive research was conducted by the Jawa Report to determine the source of smears directed toward Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Those smears included false allegations that she belonged to a secessionist political party and that she has radical anti-American views.

Our research suggests that a subdivision of one of the largest public relations firms in the world most likely started and promulgated rumors about Sarah Palin that were known to be false. These rumors were spread in a surreptitious manner to avoid exposure.

(Excerpt) Read more at haloscan.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 2008; astroturfing; axelrod; axelrodsaweasel; bo; carolliu; corruption; davidaxelrod; democrat; democratparty; democrats; elections; eswinner; ethanswinner; ethanwinner; fec; grassroots; groupe; jaredliuklein; mccainpalin; myjawareport; nobama08; obama; palinattacks; palinping; publicis; publicisgroupe; sockpuppetry; viralchicagopolitics; winner; winnerandassociates; winnerassociates; winnersrlosers
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Interesting in my opnion. Don't think it'll be picked up though.
1 posted on 09/21/2008 9:30:12 PM PDT by Toki
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To: Toki

Link(s) appear to be broken.


2 posted on 09/21/2008 9:34:05 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: Toki

Not only that, but the link, in PC lingo, has been “sanitzed” from the net. Clicked on both links, nothing there.


3 posted on 09/21/2008 9:35:03 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: Toki

Link goes to page with trackback url and nothing more.


4 posted on 09/21/2008 9:35:34 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: TrueKnightGalahad
Sorry Here it is
5 posted on 09/21/2008 9:36:39 PM PDT by Toki
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To: Issaquahking

Try the homepage for Jawa. I reading it from there. It’s the top story and will be for now, I’m sure.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/


6 posted on 09/21/2008 9:37:41 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: Toki

Jawa promised something “big” for late tonight or early tomorrow......we shall see.


7 posted on 09/21/2008 9:37:42 PM PDT by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: Toki

This seems to be the right one.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php


8 posted on 09/21/2008 9:37:47 PM PDT by bushsupporter30
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To: Toki

Your link is dead too.


9 posted on 09/21/2008 9:38:48 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: cookcounty
This is it. A very loooong detailed account of weaselry.
10 posted on 09/21/2008 9:39:08 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: Chaguito

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php


11 posted on 09/21/2008 9:39:38 PM PDT by ReadMyLipstick
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To: bushsupporter30

Thank you. Now that that is solved, sleep time.


12 posted on 09/21/2008 9:39:44 PM PDT by Toki
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To: ozark hilljilly

Thank you!


13 posted on 09/21/2008 9:42:17 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: Issaquahking

You’re welcome.
I think this is the longest article on Jawa in ages!
Good detective work, names named...but what will come of it?


14 posted on 09/21/2008 9:46:11 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: ozark hilljilly

The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.


15 posted on 09/21/2008 9:50:33 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki; TrueKnightGalahad; Issaquahking; Chaguito

Try this:

http://www.mypetjawa.mu.nu/


16 posted on 09/21/2008 9:50:42 PM PDT by donnab (some people use change to promote their careers...others use their careers to promote change.)
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To: Toki; All

Here’s a nice ‘Reader’s Digest’ version, for those of you near bedtime, over at Patterico’s:
http://patterico.com/


17 posted on 09/21/2008 9:54:07 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: kcvl

Gee....who woulda thunk?! ; )


18 posted on 09/21/2008 9:55:28 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: ozark hilljilly

The have some GREAT information on the person who got it all started!

YouTube user “cnwinner” (Charles N. Winner?) appears to be directly involved in a concerted effort to add legitimacy to the video’s lies about Palin.

And just what is winnr.com? An alternate dns designation for Winner & Associates. A firm that employs one Ethan S. Winner. (they also have a photo of him!)

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php


19 posted on 09/21/2008 9:59:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki

Very interesting. Of course, the only way this can get any traction is if someone pursues the campaign finance angle.

Maybe the ‘Obama campaign manufacturing fake viral videos’ could as well. As in, Obama claimed to be a new kind of politician but he’s just a sleazebag. Or, better, IMO, that he’s unwilling to be honest and straightforward with the American people and instead prefers to manipulate them surreptitiously.

And lastly, props to stupid liberals who can’t figure out how to cover up their tracks on the internets.


20 posted on 09/21/2008 10:01:43 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Harry Wurzbach
preading the message seems to be a theme that is echoed by one "Justyn Winner" who shares an unusually spelled name with a W&A Vice President, General Counsel, and Valerie Plame representative. From a comment "Justyn Winner" left about Obama's race speech at noted leftwing blog Crooks and Liars:

Now we know how that crap got spread too!

21 posted on 09/21/2008 10:05:02 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki

Obama campaign spreads fake smears online with aid of corporate dirty tricks firm?

Obama afraid to take his opponent straight on so he hires sleazebags to do it online?

Obama campaign violates campaign finance law with fake online smear ads?


22 posted on 09/21/2008 10:05:02 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: ozark hilljilly

“A Group Of Concerned Americans” who we have reason to believe is Ethan S. Winner or other employees of one of the largest PR firms on the planet.

******

What a thorough investigation of these lunatics!!! How about we report them for not reporting their PR to the FEC?!


23 posted on 09/21/2008 10:07:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Yep, Rusty and his crew were certainly busy this weekend digging up this stuff.
But honestly...who the heck uses their intials and last name and such for login names anymore? I know some do here and other places, but to do that- especially when you’re involved in a “mission” whether for good or bad seems sloppy to me.

But now, it’s off to bed with me.


24 posted on 09/21/2008 10:08:31 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: ozark hilljilly; donnab; Toki; TrueKnightGalahad; Issaquahking; Chaguito; Jeff Head; AuntB; ...
I just pinged most of my FRiends to come here and check it out. Thank you for doing the due dilligence of old fashioned hard work, chasing the story!

For those looking for a link, this is it
25 posted on 09/21/2008 10:08:45 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: Toki; rush
Who is this "stckyfngz" who posted the video at The Democratic Underground the day after "eswinner" uploaded it to YouTube? There is evidence that leads us to believe that the “stckyfngz” who posted the video at DU is named Jared Liu-Klein.

Jared Liu-Klein, aka, "stckyfngz", you see works in "Public Relations". And there just happens to be a Jared Liu-Klein who donated to Barack Obama.

That would be the same Jared Liu-Klein who represented Valerie Plame for Winner & Associates.

******

I think Winner & Associates have some explaining to do!!!

No wonder we had 'saint' Valerie Plame posted all over the web which was nothing but a lie!

26 posted on 09/21/2008 10:11:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki
Don't think it'll be picked up though.

Too juicy not to be picked up by Malkin, Rush, Hannity and, hopefully, the McCain folks.

The MSM? Real journalism is dead there.
27 posted on 09/21/2008 10:11:07 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: cookcounty

This is BIG alright! Go check it out. It’s fantastic research!

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

(see below)

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Jared’s mother is Carol Liu, a Democratic politician who previously served in the State Assembly & is currently running for State Senate. His father is Michael Peevey, the Gray Davis appointed President of the California Public Utilities Commission.

There was a bit of a scandal involving Jarad’s parents last year when it was revealed by the L.A. Times that tens of thousands of dollars contributed to Carol Liu’s campaign came from industries regulated by her husband. Businesses that also hired W&A to handle PR for them during the California Energy crisis. The crisis which would eventually lead to Gray Davis’ recall.


28 posted on 09/21/2008 10:13:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Brizick

Heck, CNN et al probably have had dealings with the PR firm in question at one time or another!
Wouldn’t that be a nice fat smoking gun?


29 posted on 09/21/2008 10:14:25 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Any candidate that can hunt, field dress and prepare moose gets my vote!)
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To: Issaquahking

eswinner from Marina Del Rey, CA

eswinner said...
As expected, SuRi made a week long stop in Marina Del Rey, California. She was parked in Basin A and I enjoyed seeing her incredible box of toys. The grand daddy was a heliport with a built in lift that lowers the helicopter into the protected garage. In addition, they had a beautiful 40’ wooden ski boat. I would love to see her accompanied by her mother ship.
I look forward to the next mega yacht making a stop in Marina Del Rey.

April 18, 2008 7:50 PM


30 posted on 09/21/2008 10:22:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Wow, what a nugget of a find, stuff you just can’t make up!


31 posted on 09/21/2008 10:28:09 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Charles Winner

President & CEO, Winner & Associates

Mr. Winner began his career in the political world, working within the legislative and executive branches of the state and federal governments, and in senior management positions in numerous national, state and local campaigns.

He co-founded Winner & Associates in 1975

Mr. Winner is also a partner in Winner & Mandabach Campaigns. Formed in 1986, Winner & Mandabach has directed more than 150 ballot measure campaigns with a 90% success rate.

http://tinyurl.com/4ttmp4


32 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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Paul Mandabach (b. 1948) is a partner in the firm of Winner & Mandabach Campaigns, a political consulting firm in southern California that specializes in ballot measure campaigns.

In 2007, Mandabach gave $1,000 to the Al Franken for U.S. Senate campaign, $2,300 to the Hillary Clinton for President campaign, and $1,000 to the John Edwards for President campaign. In 2004, he donated to the John Kerry for President campaign.

Mandabach invests in thoroughbred horse ownership, and is a part owner of “Domestic Dispute” and “Statement”.


33 posted on 09/21/2008 10:31:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

You would think he would have the good sense to hide his activities on youtube. Maybe he doesn’t really understand how these internets work.


34 posted on 09/21/2008 10:34:41 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: ozark hilljilly
Re: CNN Wouldn’t that be a nice fat smoking gun?

Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me.

When you see how many of our 'esteemed' representatives lost money in the AIG meltdown, doesn't it seem 'natural' that they would want a bailout?

Torches and pitchforks on the Capitol steps . . .
35 posted on 09/21/2008 10:36:31 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Brizick

Lance Brisson, chief operating officer of Winner & Assoc. worked as a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, several national magazines and a local television station.

Julie Benson, Vice President of Winner & Assoc. started her career as a reporter/editor, working for the Los Angeles Times Syndicate, UPI and Scripps Howard.

http://www.winnerandassociates.com/experiencedteam.htm


36 posted on 09/21/2008 10:44:55 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki

Now I will be up for an hour sending this out to my Dem friends who still have not seen the light. Thanks for the post.


37 posted on 09/21/2008 10:47:30 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: Issaquahking

Check out post #36


38 posted on 09/21/2008 10:47:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Incestuous - just like Washington D.C.


39 posted on 09/21/2008 10:50:23 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Brizick

You can express your opinions to these smear merchants here if you have a YouTube account

http://www.youtube.com/user/eswinner?&ytsession=6_DTkNiaxhvGupTheaBo1bNAC6Xf-LpLeS6umhPzY6NAErnZgJKOymbhbs_259MnBy7JTuJYxKCkUmONK9iP6QrMuepxiRqUPM7fKQXs7gty0KitA2qSgLThLqz-bfNhWR998C_AsmpZqhC4vLweuS-hfLynuiAk56eA1RDNAN4DXA80LOhp_6tyoqYopwE4ywqH_hfrIVnjlPN-oMm1hNJGq5fmFtZDXrvs-qHYKTmy__H-KLXhNUh6YYwGLrGg6a02Dv2mgzKVOlPax9Ns1gs9w9iocZF7


40 posted on 09/21/2008 11:01:49 PM PDT by inottawa
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To: kcvl

Wouldn’t load...?


41 posted on 09/21/2008 11:09:11 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: inottawa

Try this if you have a YouTube account

Leave them a comment.

Let them we are on to them.

http://www.youtube.com/user/eswinner


42 posted on 09/21/2008 11:17:07 PM PDT by inottawa
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To: Issaquahking

I just tried it and it worked for me.


43 posted on 09/21/2008 11:18:44 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toki

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence in this report, but it seems plausible. If the allegations are true, it’s a blockbuster exposé.


44 posted on 09/21/2008 11:22:31 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: HAL9000

They took the videos off of YouTube within an hour of Jawa Report putting up its story. Coincidence?


45 posted on 09/21/2008 11:24:19 PM PDT by inottawa
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To: PJ-Comix; Charles Henrickson; Paul Heinzman

P.J.’s little ant farm is in this up to their eyeballs.


46 posted on 09/21/2008 11:44:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: Toki

This is bigger than finding out Soylent Green is people!

EXCELLENT job Rusty & co.

This must be too big to be ignored by the MSM.
Jawagate ‘08 may prove the largest nail in the Obama coffin.

Get it to EVERYONE you know: Obama is a proven fraud.


47 posted on 09/21/2008 11:49:12 PM PDT by Son Of The Godfather ("You're it!"... Get it?... It's a "tag" line. :))
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To: kcvl

I was hoping you’d be here with your ninja research skills! ;o)

Thank you!

And, keep up the good work!


48 posted on 09/21/2008 11:58:28 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah'cuda Rocks)
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To: inottawa
It fits the usual pattern.

The "crisis communications" aspect is especially interesting. It's easy for a PR firm in that line of work to orchestrate a political smear machine. They know how to do it.

But those tactics can be beaten.

As a recent example, look at Vinod Gupta at InfoGroup. After Gupta thought he had eliminated the photos of himself hobnobbing with the Clintons, they surfaced on Free Republic. Then Gupta hired Sloane & Company for his crisis communications campaign, to no avail. In the end, he was kicked out of his own company as chairman and CEO and agreed to repay millions of dollars that he had swindled from the company. Then the damning SEC Report about the Clintons' corporate waste was released on the eve of Obama's announcement of his running mate. If there was any chance of Hillary getting on the ticket, it ended with that report.

And for the icing on the cake - when Bill Clinton's multi-million employment contract with InfoGroup expires on September 30, 2008, it won't be renewed. He is effectively fired from his do-nothing job too.

Currently, the FEC is dysfunctional for investigating this sort of stuff. But a U.S. Attorney may be interested in taking a look at them anyway, and if the allegations are true, the Winner boys are going to look pretty stupid with their nuts nailed to their forehead.

49 posted on 09/22/2008 12:02:58 AM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: Toki
THIS LINK WORKS

Incredible work! Now, what are all of you going to do about it?

- go to congress.org
- on the left side, click on MEDIA GUIDE
- click on any state and find the newspapers, TV stations, and radio stations
- get on the phone and call the newsrooms

50 posted on 09/22/2008 12:03:10 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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