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LA Times reveals secret technology used in surge that Woodward discussed on 60 Minutes
www.latimes.com ^ | september 21, 2008 | www.latimes.com

Posted on 09/21/2008 11:14:25 PM PDT by MikeFrancesa.com

Friday, The Times' Greg Miller and Julian E. Barnes reported that the United States has escalated its war against Al Qaeda and its Taliban allies by "deploying Predator aircraft equipped with sophisticated new surveillance systems that were instrumental in crippling the insurgency in Iraq."

It's a story whose significance may extend well beyond the benighted hills and valleys of Pakistan's violent Pashtun hinterlands and onto the hustings of our current presidential campaign. Coupled with Thursday's report in the New York Times that President Bush has signed a secret order permitting Afghanistan-based U.S. special operations forces to cross into Pakistan without Islamabad's permission, the odds of an "October surprise" that could influence the general election have risen appreciably.

U.S. officials also told The Times that the new surveillance systems allow the operators of the unmanned Predators to locate and identify individual human targets "even when they are inside buildings. ... The technology gives remote pilots a means beyond images from the Predator's lens of confirming a target's identity and precise location."

The Times' story confirms the most sensational revelation contained in Bob Woodward's new book, "The War Within: A Secret White House History 2006-2007," which was published this week. Woodward revealed the technology's existence but, heeding requests from intelligence officials, declined to describe its operations except to say that it had allowed U.S. forces to locate and kill decisive numbers of senior Al Qaeda operatives and Iraqi insurgents. In what may be the book's most controversial claim, Woodward argues that the secret technology and the so-called Anbar Awakening -- in which counterinsurgency techniques developed by the Marines won over tribal leaders in that crucial Sunni-dominated province -- had as much or more to do with stabilizing Iraq as the "surge" in U.S. troop numbers.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; latimes; miltech; octobersurprise; predator; secrettechnology; talibam; thewarwithin; woodward

1 posted on 09/21/2008 11:14:26 PM PDT by MikeFrancesa.com
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

So the NY Slimes reports that Bush has signed a “secret order” ...

There go the Slimes again .. giving out secrets to the enemy!


2 posted on 09/21/2008 11:20:40 PM PDT by RocketMan1
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

Article headline : “An Afghan ‘October surprise’?”


3 posted on 09/21/2008 11:20:43 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: RocketMan1

oops .. it was the LA Slimes.

No difference, really!


4 posted on 09/21/2008 11:22:54 PM PDT by RocketMan1
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

its not the lstimes that disgust me, but i bet sitting members of congress, no doubt democrats with top secret positions that are leaking this to the media


5 posted on 09/21/2008 11:25:38 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

Nice blabbermouthing, LA Times.

When, oh when, will this evil rag finally close its doors forever?


6 posted on 09/21/2008 11:26:06 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

So Valerie Plame was no issue then.


7 posted on 09/21/2008 11:31:41 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' Barney Frank 9-10-03)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

There are no Al Qaeda in Iraq...Rove must have had them bussed from the REAL WAR front


8 posted on 09/21/2008 11:35:09 PM PDT by woofie
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To: MikeFrancesa.com
"...the new surveillance systems allow the operators of the unmanned Predators to locate and identify individual human targets "even when they are inside buildings. ... The technology gives remote pilots a means beyond images from the Predator's lens of confirming a target's identity and precise location."

Utter hogwash and basement liberal science fiction fantasy. Look who the "source" is. And, let's not forget the un-named "US officials".

Predator drones? Sure. Looking through rooftops and identifying living humans with enough certainty to pull the trigger? Don't make me laugh.

I know that DARPA is always way ahead of the technological edge in military weapons development, but do you honestly believe that any of those folks would trust a "US official" with that knowledge?

9 posted on 09/21/2008 11:36:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com
In what may be the book's most controversial claim, Woodward argues that the secret technology and the so-called Anbar Awakening -- in which counterinsurgency techniques developed by the Marines won over tribal leaders in that crucial Sunni-dominated province -- had as much or more to do with stabilizing Iraq as the "surge" in U.S. troop numbers.

This is 100% the case. The surge was a public relations coup that bought time for other factors to win the war. No serious military commander would have you believe that adding 30k troops to a 25 million population was going to dent the violence. It was a minor factor that certainly helped, but without the other factors, would not have produced the results we see today.

Much to the chagrin of the LAT and the rest of the MSM, this story broke too late to be of any use to the insurgency in Iraq.

And despite their fear mongering, this doesn't make an October Surprise from Al-Qa'ida more likely. It makes it less likely. We're crushing them in Waziristan. They're moving into the Pakistan cities and attacking hotels and troops, but this increased proximity is driving them into range of the Pakistani military and intelligence services.

So, laugh all you want, LA Times, but your side is sliding towards a lonely defeat.

10 posted on 09/21/2008 11:37:31 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Commander Barack "Spock" Obama, "But, Captain... that would be... illiberal...")
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

You need to put the actual title in the title.


11 posted on 09/21/2008 11:39:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

I loved their food and family loved their sports section, but finally this year we pulled the plug. Die, L.A. Slimes, die.


12 posted on 09/21/2008 11:42:31 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Windflier

nice tagline.


13 posted on 09/21/2008 11:47:06 PM PDT by gitmo (Some days you're the dog. Some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

The Times has been had.


14 posted on 09/21/2008 11:48:19 PM PDT by gitmo (Some days you're the dog. Some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
Article headline : “An Afghan ‘October surprise’?”

The MSM found out the secret, doncha know...

GWB had Osama's corpse in cold storage... Gonna spring it on the world, the weekend before the election... Just to give John McCain that final boost...

Shhhhh.... Don't tell anyone... Remember - It is a secret!
15 posted on 09/21/2008 11:53:17 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: Windflier
Didn't Roy Scheider use that gizmo in Blue Thunder?

And it was filmed in L.A.

And the L.A. Times prints this story.

I feel a Conspiracy coming on. My leg is tingling like Obama’s mouth when he sees a TelePrompter.

16 posted on 09/22/2008 12:01:48 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Biden, the new Ebony and Ivory.)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

From open sources, I have some idea of what the system and methods are. The insurgents are screwed. Even if they knew, they would have a hard time adapting.


17 posted on 09/22/2008 12:25:05 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Windflier
I know that DARPA is always way ahead of the technological edge in military weapons development, but do you honestly believe that any of those folks would trust a "US official" with that knowledge?

Amen. It's more than slightly possible that some folks in the White House gave Blabbermouth Bob some "hush-hush info" about our alien technology spy plane to protect some less-sophisticated, but more reliable sources, like informants on the ground, electronic eavesdropping and/or Special Operations personnel.

18 posted on 09/22/2008 1:05:20 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: FormerACLUmember
Nice blabbermouthing, LA Times.

Well, at least they didn't spill the beans about the secret Halliburton camps in the US...Oh, wait a minute...uhmm, there are no secret camps in the US...yeah, that's the ticket...there are no secret camps...

19 posted on 09/22/2008 2:04:06 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

He’s already dead, Jim.


20 posted on 09/22/2008 2:04:47 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Windflier

Actually, STTW has been in development for a few years now. Do a Google search.


21 posted on 09/22/2008 2:39:02 AM PDT by Rammer
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To: MikeFrancesa.com
Coupled with Thursday's report in the New York Times that President Bush has signed a secret order ~

The Times' story confirms~

Wow.. I'm trying to wrap my mind around these two details. New York Times Knows ALL? A "secret order?" The Old Grey Lady of Ill Repute confirms?

Just wow.

22 posted on 09/22/2008 2:45:28 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

I hope AQ doesn’t learn about our long range DNA searcher. When it’s loaded with a sample of someone’s DNA, it can find them from space anywhere on the planet. Even miles below the surface.

Oh, I’ve said too much already.


23 posted on 09/22/2008 3:15:29 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

They must poop their pants worrying that Bin Laden will be caught or killed soon.


24 posted on 09/22/2008 3:34:45 AM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan.)
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To: FDNYRHEROES
Don't mention the top secret emails that Karl Rove has been sending in code through the RNC about how we're going to round up all the liberals and send them to the Halliburton camps right after we steal the election by voter fraud and electronic hacking using Pentagon computers.

We can't let that secret get out or the liberals will be furious in their acting out and make complete asses of themselves. They've been pretty good about conducting themselves as adults in this election so far.

25 posted on 09/22/2008 4:12:08 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Well that rules out hiding in Buildings ,back to the caves or downtown Tehran


26 posted on 09/22/2008 4:26:19 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: MikeFrancesa.com

Could terrorists have any better friends than Woodward, NYT, LA Times and a few others? Question the success of the surge or Obama might look back and to h@ll with America! Disgusting.


27 posted on 09/22/2008 5:34:47 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: Steel Wolf
You write about the surge:

"It was a minor factor that certainly helped, but without the other factors, would not have produced the results we see today. "

I think you underestimate the importance of the surge to the Sunnis. It convinced them that we were not giving up, that Bush was not a quitter. By bringing in the troops to really go after Al Qaeda we gave the Sunnis a rationale for doing what they really wanted to do anyway - end the fighting. After five years even the Sunnis were tired of it. The surge was the key to expanding the Awakening beyond it's initial roots. Was it a brilliant strategy or was it luck. Who knows. Who cares. It worked.

28 posted on 09/22/2008 5:57:46 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Steel Wolf; P-Marlowe; brityank

I disagree. 30,000 troops would make a huge difference.

That surge represent 1.5 divisions, and their combat power is unquestioned.

Petraeus knew the Iraqi army had been grown large enough to occupy cleared-out communities. (Despite other things that George Casey might have gotten wrong, he never took his eyes off the prize of increasing the size and combat-readiness of the Iraqi Army. He’ll get credit for that some day.)

The additional 30,000 warriors enabled the US to attack the worst areas of enemy concentration and defeat it while keeping already stabilized areas stable.


29 posted on 09/22/2008 6:05:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Coupled with Thursday's report in the New York Times that President Bush has signed a secret order permitting Afghanistan-based U.S. special operations forces to cross into Pakistan without Islamabad's permission, the odds of an "October surprise" that could influence the general election have risen appreciably.

30 posted on 09/22/2008 7:05:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com
U.S. officials also told The Times that the new surveillance systems allow the operators of the unmanned Predators to locate and identify individual human targets "even when they are inside buildings. ... The technology gives remote pilots a means beyond images from the Predator's lens of confirming a target's identity and precise location."

Psyops....

31 posted on 09/22/2008 7:08:51 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Steel Wolf
No serious military commander would have you believe that adding 30k troops to a 25 million population was going to dent the violence.
I'll have to respectfully disagree. If the US armed forces were fighting all 25 million, another 30k troops wouldn't have made a difference; but the bulk of the fighting took place in limited areas, and involved a tiny fraction of the Iraqis themselves, along with a comparable number of foreigners.

I wholeheartedly agree that the 30k troops bought time -- the time they bought was in Congress, where the supposedly Lame Duck President upped the ante after the 2006 Pubbie defeats at the ballot boxes, and Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Party of Treason backed down, and kept backing down, and kept backing down the public's perception of themselves, of the rest of Congress, and of their miserable name brand.
32 posted on 09/22/2008 7:13:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: xzins
I disagree. 30,000 troops would make a huge difference. That surge represent 1.5 divisions, and their combat power is unquestioned.

Sure, but our combat power has never been in question. MND-B (Multi-National District Baghdad) is the city and surrounding metro area with population 9 million. Another 30,000 troops can't do much for that security situation, when you consider that most of the 30k are support personnel that don't leave the FOB anyway. Sitting at checkpoints and driving around doing presence patrols doesn't cause security on it's own, especially in such light numbers.

That commitment to the capital doesn't even begin to address the porous borders, EFP / foreign fighter ratlines with Iran and Syria, or the Sunni problems to the west, or the Shia to the south, or the multi-cultural clashes of the north.

The 30k was a great way to show our sustained commitment to the Iraqi people, to the insurgents, and to the rest of the world. It showed we were 'all in', and it bought us enough time to get our act together on the intelligence side. By itself, though, the surge was more PR than anything. Crucial PR, an emergency shot in the arm to our national morale, but PR nonetheless.

33 posted on 09/22/2008 7:34:01 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Commander Barack "Spock" Obama, "But, Captain... that would be... illiberal...")
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To: SunkenCiv
If the US armed forces were fighting all 25 million, another 30k troops wouldn't have made a difference; but the bulk of the fighting took place in limited areas, and involved a tiny fraction of the Iraqis themselves, along with a comparable number of foreigners.

There's nothing limited about it. Evert population center from Mosul to Basrah has seen security issues, and we're doing operations constantly in the population centers all in between.

The fact that our opponents are a small fraction of the population is meaningless when we don't know where they are. Some of our enemies float from city to city, avoiding us where we were strong, and striking where we were weak. Others were defended or feared by their communities, and were able to remain invisible.

Again, 30k may sounds like a lot of troops, but it's nothing. The initial invasion estimates that called for 500,000 troops were conservative. We have 150,000 private contractors here now (yours truly included), the majority of which are doing security services. This effectively doubled the number of U.S. troops, and we were still far short of where we needed to be. Iraq is stabilizing now, but we cut it very close.

34 posted on 09/22/2008 7:46:46 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Commander Barack "Spock" Obama, "But, Captain... that would be... illiberal...")
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To: Windflier
Utter hogwash and basement liberal science fiction fantasy.

The concepts culminating in "Predator drones" was utter hogwash and basement liberal science fiction fantasy not all that long ago. Pilotless armed flying machines controlled from techs on the other side of the planet, able to watch & terminate nighttime activities miles from the drone? riiiiiiight...

35 posted on 09/22/2008 8:03:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: MikeFrancesa.com
to: L.A. Times
cc:
subject:STFU


36 posted on 09/22/2008 8:10:30 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Steel Wolf

Thanks!


37 posted on 09/22/2008 8:28:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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38 posted on 09/22/2008 8:48:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: gitmo
nice tagline.

Thanks. Hannity seems to like it too. He's using it on his show now. Wish I could claim credit, but I stole it from somewhere myself, a long time ago.

39 posted on 09/22/2008 8:51:27 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Steel Wolf

We're crushing them in Waziristan. They're moving into the Pakistan cities and attacking hotels and troops, but this increased proximity is driving them into range of the Pakistani military and intelligence services.

I strongly disagree with the assessment in Afghanistan. The problem in Afghanistan right now is NOT getting better. Given, we are finally attacking some of the Taliban in the Tribal regions, A helicopter raid and 15+ limited air-strikes is not crushing them.

The Strategy in Afghanistan does not seem to be working, and to have faith in the Pakistani government to help sort out the problems in the Tribal region is not smart, wise or practical (7 years later and those same characters are still in the same general area in Pakistan). It is definitely time to change strategy's, The Taliban revival should not have been allowed to happen.

40 posted on 09/22/2008 11:43:16 AM PDT by 08bil98z24 (McCain/Palin 08. Stop Osama Obama and Bin Biden now!)
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