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Ticket Exchange (Rumors about Biden citing "Health Issues" and dropping out)
Snopes ^ | 22 Sep 08 | None

Posted on 09/22/2008 5:05:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot

Claim: Joe Biden is planning to step down from vice-presidential slot on the Democratic ticket in favor of Hillary Clinton.

Status: Undetermined

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp

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Yes, this is only rumor for now, and it is widely being circulated through e-mails. Snopes has it as "Undetermined."

Here is just one e-mail below.

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On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.

There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. Generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the 'health problem' cited in those articles was aneurysm. Probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.

However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this Obama strategy will be a go. Therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.

So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the Obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc

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The only reason I am posting it is because a loyal Democrat who regularly gives them money who I work with got a similar e-mail this weekend from someone he said was "high up in the food chain of the DNC." He believes it to be true.

If true, it would shake up the race. Biden has already stated in public this

""Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."

1 posted on 09/22/2008 5:05:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

I am glad this is just a rumor!!!! Please do not let this happen!!! This is the only way for Obama to win. He knows he screwed up and should not be able to fix it!!!


2 posted on 09/22/2008 5:09:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Possible ingrown hairplug.


3 posted on 09/22/2008 5:11:01 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: SkyPilot

IF this is true, it only shows what type of SCUM the Rats really are.


4 posted on 09/22/2008 5:11:12 AM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: SkyPilot

I put nothing past the Dems. It would fit their pattern and their history to try this ... and they’ll get away with it, too. IF they try it.


5 posted on 09/22/2008 5:12:15 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: napscoordinator
Joe's working on it...

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6 posted on 09/22/2008 5:13:29 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: napscoordinator
Please do not let this happen!!! This is the only way for Obama to win. He knows he screwed up and should not be able to fix it!!!

Not within our ability to stop it.
7 posted on 09/22/2008 5:13:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apprently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: SkyPilot
What's good is that this rumor has been out there for a while.

If Obama does do something this stupid, it is verifiable that it was contrived.

And we know that Obama can do something this stupid. After all, he picked Biden to begin with.

8 posted on 09/22/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by Allegra
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.

Sebelius? Gregoire? Napolitano?

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9 posted on 09/22/2008 5:14:22 AM PDT by polymuser (Taxpayers voting for Obama are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.)
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To: SkyPilot

So Obama gets to be President for a day?


10 posted on 09/22/2008 5:14:55 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: cripplecreek

Not within our ability to stop it.

True, but prayers work. I think Hillary is much better off waiting until 2012 where she has a much better chance at winning the Presidency after 12 years of Republican President.


11 posted on 09/22/2008 5:15:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SkyPilot

OH NO! We just lost the bull dyke and crusty commie hag votes!


12 posted on 09/22/2008 5:15:52 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: SkyPilot
I got the same email several days ago. I can understand why it would make sense, but I'm wondering how expensive it would be for Obama to backtrack at this point. First, it would call into question his decision-making abilities. He had months to think about his choice, and he chose an old political hack who is the antithesis of change. I think a good part of his choice was to offset the public's perception of his inexperience. Second, choosing Hillary would be a choice that would upstage him at every turn. Also, Hillary really doesn't have all that much experience. I discount her claim "I spent 8 years in the White House"...so did her pastry chef. Third, the fact that he did have months to think about his choice and he admits it was bad, what does that say about his decision-making abilities under pressure at 3AM where he might only have a matter of minutes to decide? Finally, changing now is an explicit admission that his campaign is in trouble. No matter how Biden makes it look via a "health problem", Obama will be putting lipstick on his own pig.

My feeling is that he has too much to lose personally by changing horses in the middle of the stream.

13 posted on 09/22/2008 5:16:16 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: napscoordinator

If Biden drops out...and especially if he drops out after the VP debate with Palin...Obama will look incompetent to more Americans. JMO

BPE


14 posted on 09/22/2008 5:16:17 AM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (If I didn't think he'd get emotionally attached to it, I'd tell Obama to kiss my A** !)
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To: johnny7; All

15 posted on 09/22/2008 5:17:22 AM PDT by musicman (Sarah Palin Runs A STATE - Barack Obama Runs His MOUTH)
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To: SkyPilot
Biden Possibly Dropping Out For Hillary?
16 posted on 09/22/2008 5:18:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: econjack

I feel slighted. The only emails I get are from wealthy British expatriates in Dubai who are dying of esophageal cancer and want my help in getting their fortunes out of the country.


17 posted on 09/22/2008 5:18:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Pog ma thon, Les Miles.)
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To: SkyPilot
Every time I've heard this rumor, it has included the statement that it would be AFTER the VP debate. This implies two things:

1) Biden would be required to go all out to viciously attack Sarah no matter how bad it made HIM look. IOW he'd take one for the team (some kind of reward to follow) to take down Sarah and then get out to remove the tainted skank attacker.

2) Hillary (or whoever) would not have to face the intimidating task of debating Sarah. The contrast in all ways would be devastating to Hillary and probably anyone else, but especially Hillary.

It should be made quite clear that IF this crap is true, there would HAVE to be a 2nd VP debate to give voters a chance to compare the REAL candidates.

18 posted on 09/22/2008 5:19:12 AM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: SkyPilot

Not going to happen.

The election is only 6 weeks away.

Most states have deadlines for candidates. Florida already has their absentee ballots out.

The legal hurdles are too high to overcome.


19 posted on 09/22/2008 5:19:37 AM PDT by JBR34
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To: SkyPilot

This gets little or no traction in the MSM, yet they were all over the map asking if Gov. Palin would withdraw because of all the “controversy” — that was created by them.


20 posted on 09/22/2008 5:20:10 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: econjack
how expensive it would be for Obama

Politically expensive? Probably cheap, given that he was "forced" to accept the bowing-out by Biden due to health reasons (signed by a doctor, of course).

The main choreographer here is George Soros. He has multiple pawns, and couldn't care less about the aspirations of any one foot soldier. If GS deems a Obama/Hillary! ticket wins while the others lose, he will have contrived some avenue that he'll travel down to make it so.

21 posted on 09/22/2008 5:20:37 AM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: econjack
First, it would call into question his decision-making abilities.

You see, he voted 'present' at the VP selection meeting, so he's covered.

22 posted on 09/22/2008 5:22:11 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: SkyPilot

Even if Joe Biden were willing to go along with this, there is NOTHING in it for Hillary.

Think about it. If Obama loses and she’s NOT on the ticket, the field is open for her in 2012. If Obama wins and she’s not on the ticket, she only needs to wait until 2016, at the longest. If Obama screws up, he might be vulnerable in 2012 even as a sitting President.

The ONLY way Hillary loses is if the get on to the ticket and it loses. And there is every reason to think it would. Look what happened the last time someone tried this stunt! remember, it’s Obama at the head of the ticket, not Hillary, and a move like this makes Obama look every bit like the sinister goof that he is.

Hillary is MILES ahead to quitely sink Obama’s ship while looking like the good Democrat, then she will be a shoo in to take on Sarah Palin (or someone else) in 2012 if McCain doesn’t seek a second term - or to take on McCain if he does.

I don’t know about Obama, he just might be that dumb, but Hillary sure isn’t.


23 posted on 09/22/2008 5:22:23 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: JBR34

Early voting starts today in Virginia, Kentucky and Georgia.


24 posted on 09/22/2008 5:23:21 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: SkyPilot

Biden to drop out, citing (codename?) “drunk driver” (Ted Kennedy?). Biden replaced by Hillary Clinton, harbinger of food tasters and Obama parachute training.

But seriously. The rats would probably win under this scenario. Obama would not live to see 2010, leaving us with 6-8 years of Herr Cankliness pointing a crooked finger at the camera and laughing while wearing the sharpest pantsuit in Elton John’s wardrobe and stomping America under her shoes.

If it is any consolation, late-night entertainment will surge in comedic value. Tragicomic, but when life hands you lemons...


25 posted on 09/22/2008 5:23:50 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: napscoordinator

imagine hillary as VP.

if obama loses then hillary is done as she didn’t do anything to help the ticket
if obama wins and is successful that’s 8 years of Obama.
if (more likely) he fails, the entire democrat party falls apart


26 posted on 09/22/2008 5:24:00 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: econjack
Also, Hillary really doesn't have all that much experience. I discount her claim "I spent 8 years in the White House"...so did her pastry chef.

She and the pastry chef have in common that both can find a bathroom in the WH. The difference is the pastry chef has a useful skill.

27 posted on 09/22/2008 5:25:15 AM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: C210N

If Biden leaves for health reasons, than there will be blowback on Obama for not vetting him properly. We knew he’s had a brain aneurysm, why didn’t he? His inexperience will show in not knowing how to do a proper vetting.


28 posted on 09/22/2008 5:26:54 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: SkyPilot

Hillary would have more power remaining in the Senate. On the other hand the Pumas might be happy to see Obama crawling back to beg her to join the ticket. If it were to happen they could count on the media to spin Biden’s health so that everyone would wipe tears and spin Hillary’s saving the party by riding in on a white stallion. Of course the GOP could play all the sound bytes that had the media trashing Hillary in the primary along side the ones with her extolling her.


29 posted on 09/22/2008 5:28:39 AM PDT by Notasoccermom (.)
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To: John Valentine

If Obama wins and she’s not on the ticket, she only needs to wait until 2016, at the longest.

that’s a very long time. She’d be 68.


30 posted on 09/22/2008 5:28:49 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t see this happening...there are some Dems old enough to remember the Eagleton screw up.


31 posted on 09/22/2008 5:29:04 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Betty Jane; Fishtalk
Besides which, isn't Biden up for reelection to the Senate? If he has to pull out of BamBam’s campaign for health reasons, how can he possibly still run on his own...
32 posted on 09/22/2008 5:29:59 AM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: SkyPilot

Who is Biden?


33 posted on 09/22/2008 5:30:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Thanks.

That is the same Snopes link as I posted, but the title of that thread is made up. The title is "Ticket Exchange" and I did a search and there was no thread under that title posted.

34 posted on 09/22/2008 5:31:02 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Rome2000

“Early voting starts today in Virginia, Kentucky and Georgia.”

And FLA absentee’s are out. That means the ballot cannot be changed in two swing states. Obama wouldn’t risk it unless he knows the VA supremes are in the left’s pocket the way the FLA supremes are. The FLA supremes will do whatever is necessary to help the dems—extend deadlines, force the state to reprint the ballots, count votes for Obama/Biden as votes for Obama/HRC etc. But it’s not so clear in VA.


35 posted on 09/22/2008 5:31:48 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: napscoordinator

So if this is really a “health” issue, he will also step down as Senator, right?


36 posted on 09/22/2008 5:32:35 AM PDT by ONEBYEONE
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To: JEC

Well, they certainly won’t be able to throw that “political expediency” in our faces about Sarah Palin if they do switch. But I hope they don’t, it will hurt us big-time.


37 posted on 09/22/2008 5:32:57 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Betty Jane

“If Biden leaves for health reasons, than there will be blowback on Obama for not vetting him properly.”

Silly rabbit. Only Republicans do not vet properly. For rats, it is an understandable mistake, not worthy of more than one night’s news cycle. In fact, it will probably turn out to prove that the rat learns from experience and is capable of forceful executive decision making.


38 posted on 09/22/2008 5:35:27 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: CholeraJoe
The only emails I get are from wealthy British expatriates in Dubai who are dying of esophageal cancer and want my help in getting their fortunes out of the country.

esophageal cancer? Hell, that's nothing compared to the "anal dwelling rebel Martians":

From: "MAJOR SIMON TIMOTHY" 
Date: July 7, 2008 3:25:22 PM EDT
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject:GREETTINGS TO YOU(VERY URGENT)
Reply-To: 

Hello
I pray that this email reaches you in the best of health. This letter may come 
to you as a surprise due to the fact that we have not yet met. The message could 
be strange but it's real and you will realize this if you pay some attention to it. 
I want to notify you about it at least for the sake of your integrity.
My name is Major Simon timothy, a direct and only remaining member of the
 wealthy Timothy's family. I am an astronaut with the Burkina Faso Air Force 
and on loan to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).

In 2003 I left earth aboard the Mars Rover, Spirit. Seven months later I arrived
 on Mars. Prior to departing earth, I deposited the amount of US$ 11,600,000 
(Eleven million, six hundred thousand United States dollars) in four safety
 galvanized boxes in a European financial institution which will be disclosed 
to you upon your acceptance of my proposal.

Last year, during the course of my research on Mars, I was ambushed by a 
group of anal dwelling rebel Martians who inflicted great torturous pain upon
 my body with anal probes. After a few weeks of enduring the physical pain, 
they released me. As a direct result of this cruelty, I am now very ill with a 
ruptured uterus that has defiled all forms of medical treatment and which has 
been deemed to be inoperable by my Martian surgeons. I am writing this mail
 to you on a laptop from my hospital bed in the Martian capital of Zhwrong.


I now have but a few weeks to live and I am far too ill to endure the long and 
arduous journey back to my Burkina Faso home. Therefore I have decided to 
donate the bulk of my fortune to a church or charitable organization that will 
utilize this money in the manner which I shall impart to you later. In return for
 your assistance, I shall authorize you to keep 30% of this fund for your trouble 
and aggravation plus an additional 10% to cover your expenses.
You should contact my attorney in Ouagadougou immediately with your address 
and Telephone number and he will give you his full contact information and 
guidance so that we can make arrangements as soon as possible.
CONTACT ADDRESS OF THE ATTORNEY.HON. BARRISTER GEORGE OVEREND CHAMBERS.
TELPHONE: TELL: +44702402xxxx:  FAX:+ 44870471xxxx E-MAIL: george.joverend@xxxxxxxx.ru
SINCERELY YOURS, MAJOR SIMON TIMOTHY, NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
ELYSIUM VETERINARY INFIRMARY
ZHWRONG, MARSNANO.

39 posted on 09/22/2008 5:35:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ari-freedom
She'd be 68...

Gives her gravitas...

40 posted on 09/22/2008 5:36:00 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

Your analysis nails it. Hillary is not getting on board the Barack Titanic cruise.


41 posted on 09/22/2008 5:36:31 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: CholeraJoe
The only emails I get are from wealthy British expatriates in Dubai who are dying of esophageal cancer and want my help in getting their fortunes out of the country.

I get those, too. DON'T ANSWER THEM...THEY LIE!! :>)

42 posted on 09/22/2008 5:38:21 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Well don’t that just beat all?


43 posted on 09/22/2008 5:42:54 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Pog ma thon, Les Miles.)
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To: napscoordinator

It would be funny if Gov. Palin would address the issue pre-emptively, at the debate, for example:

“It would be helpful to all of us if Senator Biden would clear up the rumors once and for all... how is his health?”


44 posted on 09/22/2008 5:44:14 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Obama will give us enough hope to hang ourselves.)
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To: SkyPilot

If true, I guess maybe Obama wants to wear an armored vest and have a flunky taste everything he eats for 4 or 8 years. But I can’t believe egomaniac Biden would be good soldier enough to give up his last chance to inhabit the WH.


45 posted on 09/22/2008 5:46:11 AM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: SkyPilot

Wishful thinking.


46 posted on 09/22/2008 5:49:00 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SkyPilot

47 posted on 09/22/2008 5:49:13 AM PDT by Bassfire (freepin with a smile)
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To: JBR34
I think you are right. But...

Torricelli-Lautenberg comes to mind.

48 posted on 09/22/2008 5:49:56 AM PDT by TankerKC (Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.)
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To: CholeraJoe
The only emails I get are from wealthy British expatriates in Dubai who are dying of esophageal cancer and want my help in getting their fortunes out of the country.

If it will cheer you up I can forward my 'cheap Viagra' junk mail.
49 posted on 09/22/2008 5:51:45 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: ari-freedom
imagine hillary as VP.

The thought is one that should be left to satan. However, every decision Obama makes will be done with the press asking, "What would Hillary have done?" And of course, she would constantly be looking over his shoulder. In fact, Obama may end up like Espy.

50 posted on 09/22/2008 5:52:37 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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