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Survey USA: Obama by six in Virginia, up four points in two weeks
hotair.com ^ | September 22, 2008 | Allahpundit

Posted on 09/22/2008 12:18:58 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

The margins in Gallup and Rasmussen are unchanged from yesterday and probably/hopefully won’t move much before Friday’s debate so we need new polls to obsess over. How does Virginia turnin’ baby blue grab you?

Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released one week ago, Obama is up 1 point; McCain is down 1 point; compared to a SurveyUSA poll two weeks ago, Obama is up 4, McCain is down 4.

Since 1952, Virginia has voted Republican 13 times and Democrat only once, in 1964. Today: In the Washington DC suburbs, Obama now polls at 59% and leads McCain by 21 points. Obama leads by 10 in Southeast VA and by 4 in Central VA. McCain’s regional advantage is confined to the Shenandoah, where he is 14 points atop Obama. Among women, Obama led by 6 points before Sarah Palin was named to the GOP ticket, now leads by 16.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; mccainpalin; obamabiden

1 posted on 09/22/2008 12:18:58 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That’s got to be an outlier.


2 posted on 09/22/2008 12:21:20 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

troll polls....


3 posted on 09/22/2008 12:22:22 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There’s no way Obama is up six in VA and only up two in PA. The women voter numbers don’t make sense either.


4 posted on 09/22/2008 12:22:46 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
VA turning Baby Blue, huh? If McCain doesn't do well in Tidewater and Shenandoah Valley, yes Obama could grab it. But that defies the historical record. In 2004, Kerry's best showing was 45%.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/22/2008 12:22:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hotair about says it!...Inside poll irrelevant.


6 posted on 09/22/2008 12:22:56 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

SURVEY USA...SPONSORED BY MIAMI HERALD!!!!

JUNK!


7 posted on 09/22/2008 12:25:46 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: goldstategop
VA turning Baby Blue, huh? If McCain doesn't do well in Tidewater and Shenandoah Valley

I live in tidewater and have a cabin in Shenandoah...if I could vote twice I would [just kidding]

8 posted on 09/22/2008 12:27:29 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
From Wikipedia:

SurveyUSA From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search SurveyUSA is a polling firm in the United States. It conducts market research for corporations and interest groups, but is best known for conducting opinion polls for various political offices and questions. SurveyUSA conducts these opinion polls under contract by over 50 television stations (who also use the SurveyUSA market research to fine tune their newscasts for higher ratings). The difference between SurveyUSA and other telephone polling firms is two fold. First, SurveyUSA does not use live call center employees, but an automated system. Taped questions are asked of the respondent by a professional announcer (usually a local news anchor), and the respondent is invited to press a button on their touch tone telephone or record a message at a prompt designating their selection. Secondly, SurveyUSA uses more concise language, especially for ballot propositions, than competitors. This can lead to diverging results, such as for California Proposition 76, where one version of the SurveyUSA question with a one sentence description, polled significantly differently compared to another version with a three sentence description (which was similar to a version of the question used by other pollsters, which used a five or six sentence question). [1] SurveyUSA is owned by Hypotenuse, Inc., a privately-held company in New Jersey.

9 posted on 09/22/2008 12:34:13 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Either Survey USA has drunk the koolaide, or McCain has a much bigger problem that Governor Palin cannot fix.

2004:
“#1 - (drum roll, please) Survey USA. SUSA made predictions in 30 states, and in 9 Battleground States. SUSA got 29 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.70 points. So, why does SUSA win with 29/30, and beat RR take second with 33/33? It comes down to hitting the bullseye. EIGHTEEN of Survey USA’s final polls were the closest for that state, almost twice as many as every other major poll PUT TOGETHER! Also, none of their polls were invalidated for being more than 10 points off. In the Battleground States, SUSA got 8 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.44 points. Three of SUSA’s final polls in Battleground States were the closest for that state, again the best of any poll.”


10 posted on 09/22/2008 12:35:21 PM PDT by Ingtar (Go Palin! And the white-haired guy too, I suppose. '08)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Most of these polls are basing their surveys on registered voters, rather than likely voters. Registered voter results always slant Democrat more than likely voter surveys do. The likely voter polls are also generally much more indicative of eventual election outcome.


11 posted on 09/22/2008 12:39:43 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
SUSA does not adjust for voter affiliation. Nothing wrong with that per se. It does mean their polls swing more widely than others, however.

McCain had a very rough week last week. It initially looked like the bad economic news might knock him out permanently. He regained his footing, however, and ended the week pretty strong.

I still feel good about our chances in Virginia, but the race is no doubt extremely close there right now.

12 posted on 09/22/2008 12:41:48 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: comebacknewt

Last week a newspaper poll in VA showed McCain up by 9. There is no way that there was a shift of 15+ points in one week. This is at best ludicrous.


13 posted on 09/22/2008 12:46:29 PM PDT by Beeman
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To: Ingtar
Three of SUSA’s final polls in Battleground States were the closest for that state, again the best of any poll

If this were their final poll, I would be much more concerned.

14 posted on 09/22/2008 12:46:52 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These polls now have become no different than the front page of any newspaper in the country. The integrity of our system is gone, only November 4th will tell the real story. Sad


15 posted on 09/22/2008 12:55:10 PM PDT by mmanager (What a mess we are in.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The polling sample is worthless in that it is not limited to registered voters who are likely to vote. In fact, the poll is not even limited to registered voters.


16 posted on 09/22/2008 1:10:43 PM PDT by Labyrinthos (ATE)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The only way I could even begin to see this as being accurate is if Warner needed votes to win the Senate seat and Democrats turned out in massive amounts. That is not necessary as Warner will easily win the seat and not need a push for additional votes. My prediction is Warner wins the Democratic Senate seat and McCain wins Virginia overall.


17 posted on 09/22/2008 1:16:11 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: comebacknewt

True. I seem to recall their polls being all over the place and changing at the last moment.


18 posted on 09/22/2008 1:25:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (Go Palin! And the white-haired guy too, I suppose. '08)
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To: Labyrinthos
You're right.

"Filtering: SurveyUSA interviewed 900 Virginia adults 09/19/08 through 09/21/08. Of the adults, 818 were registered to vote. Of the registered voters, 716 were determined by SurveyUSA to be likely voters in the 11/04/08 general election.

This poll is worse than worthless. It's intentionally deceiving and designed to shape opinion and voting trends.

19 posted on 09/22/2008 1:25:09 PM PDT by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If Virginia turns blue, McCain might be doomed.

That being said, I will be surprised if Virginia’s reasonable voters turn to Hussein.


20 posted on 09/22/2008 1:25:14 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Isn’t Virginia home of the Wilder Effect?


21 posted on 09/22/2008 1:29:12 PM PDT by Pharmer (Dear Ms Palin because of you I am starting a new crossover movement: Republicans for McCain)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

AllahPundit Hates Sarah Palin . He is bitter over Romney not getting the NOD. The posters openly mock him on HOTAIR and infact Ed and Michele need to pull him off. HOTAIR is worthless to read now thanks to his non stop Palin bashing. His analysis is skewed crap and worthless.


22 posted on 09/22/2008 1:49:27 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: goldstategop

It is turning blue but it won’t go blue this time. Overtime though with the explosion of NOVA and the explosion of the latino population it’ll be very hard to keep it red.


23 posted on 09/22/2008 4:45:14 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Chunga

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c16bc98c-8d29-4b28-8aae-fc8aac9471ad

Survey USA does not do registered voter polls. Hotair cited the breakdown of the respondents to SurveyUSA’s calls. They release that info in the interest of full disclosure, but only count the likely voters in their results. Full info is at the link above.


24 posted on 09/22/2008 6:09:27 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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