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How Did Obama Pay for Harvard?
Newsmax.com ^ | 9-23-2008 | Ken Timmerman

Posted on 09/23/2008 8:07:17 PM PDT by FrdmLvr

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Obama’s Harvard Years: Questions Swirl

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:11 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size

How exactly did Barack Obama pay for his Harvard Law School education?

The way the Obama campaign has answered the question was simply hard work and student loans.

But new questions have been raised about Obama’s student loans and Obama’s ties to a radical Muslim activist who reportedly was raising money for Obama’s Harvard studies during the years 1988 to 1991.

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; ayers; columbia; harvard; harvardlaw; islam; kentimmerman; mohammedanism; obama; obamabiden; obamarecord; obamatruthfile
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1 posted on 09/23/2008 8:07:17 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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2 posted on 09/23/2008 8:08:48 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Hussein probably didn't pay for anything. Harvard is one of those Commie Schools that like to take in the black boys and girls with a free ride so no one will say that Harvard is prejudiced.
3 posted on 09/23/2008 8:13:13 PM PDT by Warthog-2 (Warthog-2)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ahhh, the “Red X” paid for it.

I knew it!


4 posted on 09/23/2008 8:13:14 PM PDT by Canedawg (Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain. -Winston Churchill)
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To: FrdmLvr

I give up... he sold crack?


5 posted on 09/23/2008 8:14:26 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Canedawg

Damn Arabs stole my photo too!


6 posted on 09/23/2008 8:16:05 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: FrdmLvr

Is there a reason why a 527 isn’t running ads about this?


7 posted on 09/23/2008 8:16:12 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Joe 6-pack

Too complicated and too many links in the chain. This will go about as far as the “birth certificate” scandal.

All this was probably put out there to get conservatives to get their hopes up and waste their time.

Same as the birth certificate thing. However, this leads me to think that there really is something out there he does not want anyone to find.


8 posted on 09/23/2008 8:16:36 PM PDT by JSteff
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The would be a trail or history if he had student loans. Documents and Microfiche film.


9 posted on 09/23/2008 8:21:28 PM PDT by ncfool ("obsequiousness" Obama "has left no lasting impression on any thing he has done!")
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To: Question_Assumptions

Are the 527’s waiting till after the election is over?


10 posted on 09/23/2008 8:23:06 PM PDT by Latin Stalion
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To: FrdmLvr

I can’t figure out when Obama first met Ayers-some speculate it was back at Columbia in the early 80s. I think if he didn’t meet Ayers at Columbia then he certainly hooked up with him in Chicago around 1987. Ayers was running a group called the ABCs and Obama’s group was part of this. Obama then ended up with a summer job in 1989 at Sidley Austin, where Ayers sicko wife worked. There is some speculation that through Ayers ties to the Black Panther party and Khalid Al Mansour, that Al Mansour was brought on board to provide funding for Obama’s law school education. Certainly by 1989, Ayers and Obama were in lockstep with their relationship, which really revolved around education reform (sic).


11 posted on 09/23/2008 8:23:12 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: FrdmLvr; Warthog-2; ncfool
"The Obamas complain about their college debt, but they did attend expensive schools. Obama took out $42,753 in loans to pay for Harvard tuition. Michelle signed notes for $40,762 in loans for her Harvard years." - link
12 posted on 09/23/2008 8:27:40 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Question_Assumptions
there are more questions to be addressed concerning his finances. Has anyone come up with the details on just how Obama made his $$ millions? I can't see ACORN paying him that kind of money even though they operate with federal grants.
13 posted on 09/23/2008 8:32:27 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: FrdmLvr

Resume of: B HUSSEIN OBAMA

1.) COLB
Proven fake by more than one source
2.) Sketchy childhood
We know some details - Lots of gaps - muslim?
3.) College thesis has vanished
Was it anything like Michele’s?
4.) Overseas travel
Pakistan? Why? On what passport?
5.) Law records
What cases did he represent?
6.) Senate records disappeared
What was he trying to hide?
7.) Associations
Rev Wright, Ft Flager, Ayers, Rezko, Davis, Michele etc.
8.) Senate voting record
That speaks for itself
9.) SCOTUS
Who would his choices be?
10.) Proven Liar
11.) Inexperience
12.) Racist, Sexist, Radical, Marxist views
____________________________________________________________
His radical marxist views can be traced by to childhood. This guy is dangerous. Dangerous to our freedoms. Dangerous to America. Dangerous to the world.


14 posted on 09/23/2008 8:33:34 PM PDT by mouse1 (McCain/Palin 08 Palin/Jindal 12)
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To: FrdmLvr
This needs more looking into!

Were radical muslims fostering their Obamessiah?

15 posted on 09/23/2008 8:34:57 PM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Wow this would be blockbusting news.

They don’t pay for the education of non-Muslims.


16 posted on 09/23/2008 8:41:47 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Warthog-2

I’m not sure how it worked then, but I’m pretty sure that now the only scholarships HLS gives are need-based (regardless of race) and still require significant loans.


17 posted on 09/23/2008 8:41:56 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: wideminded

But $42,753 for Obama’s Harvard Fund and $40,762 for Michelle’s Harvard accont would have PAID for less than I semester. Where did the rest come from. A good bet is they were funded by some of Bill Ayer’s Foundations and dont leave out Trinity Church’s scholarship programs. The Obama’s didn’t pay and lived very comfortably during this time. Obma doesn;t have a smokey campfire here, Obama has a major WEatherman Arson raging here.


18 posted on 09/23/2008 8:42:40 PM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN IS AN EMPTY SUIT with NO Redeeming Value!)
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To: FrdmLvr

Obama’s past has so many subtle threads running out into a multitude of shady areas, it would take an army of investigators a 1000 years to figure out his true life story.

His refusal to release historical records adds to the nebulous mess.

I don’t believe will ever have a true biography of the man. May David McCullough should give it a run.


19 posted on 09/23/2008 8:42:59 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: CriticalJ

Man. I can’t type.


20 posted on 09/23/2008 8:44:18 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: mouse1

Totally agree with you .
WHY ISN’T MC CAIN SHOUTING ALL THIS FROM THE ROOF TOPS ?
We better get tough fast or Obama will be president
.Why why why do we never fight back ?


21 posted on 09/23/2008 8:46:12 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: NOBAMA in 08

Not true. Even today, HLS costs less than $60,000/year if you live on a budget, and it was far cheaper back then. Further, there is significant grant aid for low-income students, and the law firm he worked at the summer after his second year probably paid him over $1,000/week.


22 posted on 09/23/2008 8:48:45 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: CriticalJ

Yeah, if Obama was just an ordinary crook, he’d be in deep do-do. But, since his past is like the tenacles of organized crime, too deep and too wide, he skates because no one can follow all of his nefarious connections and criminal activity. Everything this guy’s ever been connected to in the slightest way has a scandal attached to it.


23 posted on 09/23/2008 8:50:17 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("Stand up, Chuck!")
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To: elpadre
The thing is that you have to keep it simple. That's why the Swift Boat Vets weren't more effective. They had a good story to tell about John Kerry and backed it up but it was just too complicated to explain the details to people.

Black militants, including one with a Muslim name and ties to a Saudi, got Obama into Harvard and helped him pay for it is easy to explain and leaves the average voter wondering why Obama hasn't mentioned it and what the catch is.

24 posted on 09/23/2008 8:57:02 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: FrdmLvr

Same way Democrats pay for everything else??? Five Finger discount.

Why would THE MOST MERCIFUL MESSIAH have to pay for anything?? He is THE ONE they have been waiting for. I’m sure Harvard wouldn’t deny OUR GLORIUS LEADER a good education based on something like having to pay tuition...


25 posted on 09/23/2008 8:58:22 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Arguendo

Your asumption of NOT TRUE may be rather hasty and there is no evidence that the Obama’s lived a life of sacrifice in Boston’s notoriosly expensive environmemt. But some do choose to believe the Obama Sob stories at their face values which is rather naive to say the least. Believe what you wish?


26 posted on 09/23/2008 8:59:48 PM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN IS AN EMPTY SUIT with NO Redeeming Value!)
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To: NOBAMA in 08

There may be no evidence that he lived a spartan lifestyle, but it’s certainly possible. Further, $60,000/year at HLS is hardly a life of sacrifice—it allows a decent apartment near campus and a fair amount of spending money for eating out, entertainment, etc. If that’s not enough, there are innumerable events at the best restaurants in town sponsored by firms hoping to recruit law students, and a range of activities and clubs generously funded by the school. Naturally, all this was far cheaper 20 years ago as well.


27 posted on 09/23/2008 9:15:17 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: FrdmLvr
Scratchin my head. If these loans were “Federal Loans”, wouldn't Harvard be obliged release the info ? or a least be required to honor an FOIA request for the info ?
28 posted on 09/23/2008 9:15:33 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: FrdmLvr

Timmerman does his homework and has lots of connections....so this article should be taken seriously for sure!


29 posted on 09/23/2008 9:16:48 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Arguendo
the law firm he worked at the summer after his second year probably paid him over $1,000/week.

$1,000/wk for an summer intern? How do you know that?

Has anyone welcomed you to FR?
30 posted on 09/23/2008 9:17:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: FrdmLvr; Fred Nerks; Polarik; Kevmo; Calpernia; LucyT; fanfan

From this article - frickin AMAZING stuff:


Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told Newsmax that Sutton’s account was “bogus” and a “fabrication that has been retracted” by a spokesman for the Sutton family.

He referred Newsmax to a pro-Obama blog published on Politico.com by reporter Ben Smith.

In a September 3 blog entry, Smith wrote that “a spokesman for Sutton’s family, Kevin Wardally” said that Sutton had been mistaken when he made those comments about Obama and Khalid Al-Mansour.

Smith suggested the retraction “put the [Obama/Al-Mansour] story to rest for good.”

Wardally told Smith that the “information Mr. Percy Sutton imported [sic] on March 25 in a NY1 News interview regarding his connection to Barack Obama is inaccurate. As best as our family and the Chairman’s closest friends can tell, Mr. Sutton, now 86 years of age, misspoke in describing certain details and events in that television interview.”

Asked which parts of Percy Sutton’s statements were a “fabrication,” LaBolt said “all of it. Al Mansour doesn’t know Obama. And Sutton’s spokesman retracted the story. The letter [to Harvard, which Percy Sutton says he wrote on behalf of Obama], the ‘payments for loans’ — all of it, not true,” he added.

Newsmax contacted the Sutton family and they categorically denied Wardally’s claims to Smith and the Politico.com. So there was no retraction of Sutton’s original interview, during which he revealed that Khalid Al-Mansour was “raising money” for Obama and had asked Sutton to write a letter of recommendation for Obama to help him get accepted at Harvard Law School.

Sutton’s personal assistant told Newsmax that neither Mr. Sutton or his family had ever heard of Kevin Wardally.

”Who is this person?” asked Sutton’s assistant, Karen Malone.

When told that he portrayed himself as a “spokesman” for the family, Malone told Newsmax, “Well, he’s not.”

According to a 2006 New York magazine profile, Wardally is part of a “New New Guard” in Harlem politics that has been challenging the “lions” of the old guard, Charles Rangel and Percy Sutton. That makes him an unlikely candidate to speak on behalf of Sutton.


There is something VERY VERY ROTTEN going on here!!!!!


31 posted on 09/23/2008 9:23:15 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: stylin19a; Arguendo

No need to be concerned - we have a newbie here who has it all figured out. Good point about the loans. See post #27


32 posted on 09/23/2008 9:24:11 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Law firms typically pay summers pro rata what first-year associates make, and back then I think firms like Sidley started at about $60,000/year. These days they start at $160,000, and pay summers $3,000/week. Quite the steal for the lwa student, but the goal is obviously to rope you in to returning full-time so they can bill you out for far more than they pay you as a young associate.

Eh, I’ve been around a lot longer, but switched monikers because I didn’t like my old one (which I got years ago). But thanks anyway.


33 posted on 09/23/2008 9:25:07 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo

How many summers did he work as an intern?


34 posted on 09/23/2008 9:27:34 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: FrdmLvr

A community organizer is like a waiter. He just didn’t report his tips.


35 posted on 09/23/2008 9:33:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: presently no screen name

One at a big law firm (Sidley Austin) and one at a smaller firm. I have no idea if the smaller one paid him anything his first summer, though.


36 posted on 09/23/2008 9:34:07 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: stylin19a
Here's the text of the "Privacy Act Disclosure Notice" on FAFSA forms. Make what you will of it, but I doubt it would allow routine FOIA disclosure of loan information:

The Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C.552a) requires that the following notice be provided to you. The authority for collecting the information requested on this form is §451 et seq. of the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended. Your disclosure of this information is voluntary. However, if you do not provide this information, your request to add a loan(s) to your Federal Direct Consolidation Loan (or the application you have submitted) cannot be considered. The information on this form will be used to determine whether your loan(s) is eligible to be added to your Federal DIrect Consolidation Loan (or the application you have submitted) and to document your agreement to repay the loan(s) when the loan(s) is added. The information in your file may be disclosed to third parties as authorized under routine uses in the Privacy Act notices called "Title IV Program Files" (originally published on April 12, 1994, Federal Register, Vol. 59, p. 17351) and "National Student Loan Data System" (originally published on December 20, 1994, Federal Register, Vol. 59, p. 65532). Thus, this information may be disclosed to federal and state agencies, private parties such as relatives, present and former employers and creditors, and contractors of the Department of Education for purposes of administration of the student financial assistance program, for enforcement purposes, for litigation where such disclosure is compatible with the purposes for which the records were collected, for use by federal, state, local, or foreign agencies in connection with employment matters or the issuance of a license, grant, or other benefit, for use in any employee grievance or discipline proceeding in which the Federal Government is a party, for use in connection with audits or other investigations, for research purposes, for purposes of determining whether particular records are required to be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act, and to a Member of Congress in response to an inquiry from the congressional office made at your written request.

37 posted on 09/23/2008 9:37:13 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: FrdmLvr
Tuition + Room and Board @ Harvard 1988 = 18K+...

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=346606

38 posted on 09/23/2008 9:42:10 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: ME-262

The Islamist Candidate


39 posted on 09/23/2008 9:50:15 PM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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To: pissant; null and void; george76; Polarik; PhilDragoo; Beckwith; David; FARS; Jeff Head; ...

Thanks, pissant. My head is spinning from all the news tonight, plus a freeper apparently has been threatened by ... unknown persons ... because of the freepers outspoken political views. Their mailbox was broken into, and a dead snake is placed on their porch every night ... reminds me of Kathleen Wiley’s murdered cat. It’s good they are letting everyone know; that’s the only reason Monica is still alive.

Pinging to #31.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2089032/posts?page=31#31

Article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2089032/posts


40 posted on 09/23/2008 9:51:43 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Lancey Howard; TomasUSMC; BossLady

Thanks for pinging. This one cannot die off. It MUST be vetted.


41 posted on 09/23/2008 10:08:24 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Arguendo
Thanks... It reads like you have to apply to FAFSA to see if you even qualify to apply for loan info under FOIA.
This appears to be only related to the loan info, not transcripts.

That last sentence is one long-A$$ED sentence. Don't ask me to diagram it.

I was wondering if FOIA could be stretched to get at Obama’s transcripts because he did get Fed funds.(assuming the feds would even have the transcripts or access to them)

FOIA has 9 exemptions where info can be withheld. Any one of them could probably be invoked to restrict Obama’s info.

If OBAMA had a Fed Loan(s), we know then, that he had to file for Selective Service.(Which some have questioned)

Oh well, it was worth a shot to ask

Thanks again.

42 posted on 09/23/2008 10:16:03 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: stylin19a
There's no possible way FOIA would allow us to see his transcripts--there are very strict privacy regulations governing those. As for his student loan information, I think that's also unlikely, though it might be possible to at least discover whether he applied for any federal loans even if actual numbers are not disclosed.
43 posted on 09/23/2008 10:30:23 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: pissant
This one cannot die off. It MUST be vetted.

And obviously it has to be WE in the world of the new media who do the vetting since the Democrat "mainstream" media will certainly never touch it. They will ALWAYS protect their candidate, Obama, the way a mother protects a slow child.

44 posted on 09/23/2008 10:30:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: LucyT
Thanks for the ping. Each day gets more and more unbelievable. Just who is Obama ? Who is pulling his strings?
45 posted on 09/23/2008 10:31:30 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: LucyT
plus a freeper apparently has been threatened by ... unknown persons ... because of the freepers outspoken political views.

Hi Lucy, Is there a thread on it?
46 posted on 09/23/2008 10:47:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
BARRACK OBAMA, MALE PROSTITUTE.

With apologies to Dan Akroyd....

47 posted on 09/23/2008 10:51:03 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Biden, the new Ebony and Ivory.)
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To: mouse1

.... and his sex and cocaine saga with Larry Sinclair.


48 posted on 09/23/2008 11:58:00 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: pissant

Just heard about the Father or should I say Chicago GOD father figure TOM AYERS.

His son fell directly under the tree.


49 posted on 09/24/2008 12:00:37 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: elpadre

ACORN got 760 million from guess who? Hint: bail out.


50 posted on 09/24/2008 12:03:02 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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