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McCain and the POW Cover-up (Mega Barf Alert)
The Nation ^ | September 17, 2008 | Sydney H. Schanberg

Posted on 09/24/2008 4:49:06 AM PDT by DJ Taylor

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero people would logically imagine to be a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

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Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain's role in it, even as McCain has made his military service and POW history the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War have also turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn't talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a Special Forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington and even sworn testimony by two defense secretaries that "men were left behind." This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number--probably hundreds--of the US prisoners held in Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bailout; election; financialcrisis; mccain; mccainpalin; obama
I wonder why the Prophet Obama (Peace Be Upon Him) has waited until now to spring this one. Is it the Democrat's October surprise?
1 posted on 09/24/2008 4:49:07 AM PDT by DJ Taylor
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To: DJ Taylor

Because of Ramadan.


2 posted on 09/24/2008 4:50:43 AM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: DJ Taylor

What I find remarkable is that the Nation magazine has, over the years, spent much time debunking the idea that men were left behind.

That’s in large part because they refused to believe that those wonderful Marxists in Hanoi could ever do anything so nasty.

Now, suddenly, they’re pushing the idea that the North Vietnamese held onto some of our men. Schanberg’s been consistent on this issue over the years, he’s not being hypocritical. But the Nation certainly is being totally two-faced.

Of course if you buy Schanberg’s story, the main perp was John Kerry, not McCain. Which makes you wonder why the Nation didn’t run this story in 2004 . . .


3 posted on 09/24/2008 4:51:59 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: DJ Taylor

Typical stink from the lunatic Katrina Vanden Heuvel’s rag.


4 posted on 09/24/2008 4:56:20 AM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: DJ Taylor
McCain was tortured beyond your ability and my ability to understand. He came home a broken man. This kind of garbage spread about him is why I have no respect for liberals. They don't respect our troops, they don't understand our military and they have no regard for POWs.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/24/2008 4:57:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Numbers Guy

The POW thing is a quagmire, a black hole where one cannot see what is true and what is false.

I worked in DIA and Bangkok as part of the team that investigated POW issues. My last and worst assignment in my AF career. The whole POW thing is a tar baby, get involved and you get tar all over you.

Whoever said John Kerry was the ONE, nailed it. Worthless in all aspects of human endeavor.

The Nation best leave this one alone because the stink will knock them silly.

What do I believe about POWs? Still to this day have no idea what to believe or what not to believe.


6 posted on 09/24/2008 4:58:09 AM PDT by inthaihill (Teaching and loving my Chinese students in Sichuan, China)
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To: DJ Taylor
If John McCain had betrayed his country, NONE of the his fellow POW's would even give him the time of day. It'd be like in 2004 with John F'n Kerry (who served in Vietnam), with ALL his fellow officers coming out against him, while a few of the enlisted guys under him supported him.

Instead, his fellow POWs all support him and his candidacy. Bud Day's endorsement is good enough for me.

7 posted on 09/24/2008 5:00:35 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The ObamaMae/Bide">nMac scandal is growing!!!)
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To: DJ Taylor
If John McCain had betrayed his country, NONE of the his fellow POW's would even give him the time of day. It'd be like in 2004 with John F'n Kerry (who served in Vietnam), with ALL his fellow officers coming out against him, while a few of the enlisted guys under him supported him.

Instead, his fellow POWs all support him and his candidacy. Bud Day's endorsement is good enough for me.

8 posted on 09/24/2008 5:00:35 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The ObamaMae/Bide">nMac scandal is growing!!!)
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To: DJ Taylor

The messiah’s handmaiden Sydney raises questions that trouble her as a true patriot.


9 posted on 09/24/2008 5:05:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: All

Guys, keep in mind that FR was asking these same questions too. I remember the McCain threads on 2000 asking questions about his POW status and criticizing his military service. So don’t act all trifled over this.


10 posted on 09/24/2008 5:16:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: MuttTheHoople
I read a number of studies on POWs held by the North Korean and Japanese, doing research a while back. An interesting thing about it is that those POWs, especially ones that were badly mistreated, were very, very lenient about judging others who held strong at first but eventually broke and collaborated. On one hand, you'd think that it would make you more biased against them, but the consensus largely seemed to be, "You don't know what it's like, they only did what they had to do to survive."

Most Americans can't imagine what brutal captivity would be like.

In that regard, Obama, and his surrogates, who have suffered nothing for this country, are in no position to judge anything. McCain never said worse about his country under torture than Obama said of his own whimsy in Bill Ayer's living room.

11 posted on 09/24/2008 5:18:43 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Commander Barack "Spock" Obama, "But, Captain... that would be... illiberal...")
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To: DJ Taylor

I don’t question McCain’s time as a POW and what he endured during those six years, but his role in the POW/MIA hearings in 1993 is another matter. I watched most of those hearings and naively expected McCain to be a champion for investigating the possibility that men might still be in SEA. What a shock the reality was. He was hostile to any witness presenting evidence of POWs still alive in SEA, and did everything he could to prevent classified evidence from being declassified and aired in public. All the McCain personality extremes were on display, including a silly, glaring stance he used to try and intimidate “hostile” witnesses, or those presenting evidence of live men still in SEA.

This is all known to anyone who followed those hearings and that phase of McCain’s career. Just one more of those cases where he took the opposite stance most might have expected of him.


12 posted on 09/24/2008 5:27:15 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DJ Taylor

bfltr


13 posted on 09/24/2008 5:29:04 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: DJ Taylor

This is a major reason why I am having trouble voting for McCain. I have never trusted him and I have followed his career since 1984. The POW thing really bothers me. I do think it’s been embellished. Of course he was tortured. I guess my biggest problem was that he was in a REAL big hurry to make friends with Vietnam when Bill Clinton became president. I’ve been very curious about this since then. Don’t kill me...it’s a gut instinct thing!


14 posted on 09/24/2008 5:33:25 AM PDT by Cricket24 (Just one of those Conservative women!)
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To: Cricket24

“I guess my biggest problem was that he was in a REAL big hurry to make friends with Vietnam when Bill Clinton became president. I’ve been very curious about this since then. Don’t kill me...it’s a gut instinct thing!”

Of course, “The Nation” presents this article at this time in an attempt to damage McCain’s candidacy. But I read the entire article and there does not appear to be anything new in it. Most everything there was known and kicked around before McCain even ran in 2000. People who’ve observed McCain over the years, and particularly those who kept up with the POW/MIA hearings, know that this article is highly accurate. I guess this might be one of “The Nation’s” even a stopped clock moments.

Another reason this election presents us with the two worst choices in many decades.


15 posted on 09/24/2008 5:52:35 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DJ Taylor
Sarcasm = ON

Hello Mary Mapes?.....

How's Dan Rather?......

What?

You don't speak to him anymore?

The Bush National Guard thing?

Oh.......

Sarcasm = OFF

16 posted on 09/24/2008 5:56:29 AM PDT by thingumbob (McGenius-Palin beats O'bomber-Hide'n (Remember, dead terrorists don't make more terrorists!))
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To: DJ Taylor
Every time this issue is raised it is always based on Ted Sampley's rhetoric and he's a total nutcase. His credibility is right down there with Larry Johnson's, per Michelle Malkin.

See also:

Sampley's Misleading Misquotes

17 posted on 09/24/2008 6:27:55 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DJ Taylor

The Nation, owned and operated by Katrina Van Den Heuval, that lying dirtbag. (my apologies to lying dirtbags)


18 posted on 09/24/2008 6:38:05 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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I’ve noticed this already getting out on blogs and forums. Obviously, bogus stuff worthy of the recesses of conspiracy websites only. Let’s get some talking points together. I am tied up most of today, but one thing we should check is news articles from around the hearings for ‘praise’ on both sides for McCain, debunking the ‘ignore the POW’ rumors.


19 posted on 09/24/2008 6:45:15 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ravingnutter

Absolutely correct. I spent my POW hunting time running down scams and hearsay crap. Had all kinds of bones coming in from Laos and Cambodia that ended up being chicken bones buffalo bones and monkey bones. Crazy. Totally insane.

A group of these Ted Sampley-types offered a reward via pamphlets and passed them out all up and down the Mekong River. The guys along the river saw that the US (absolutely false as we never offered nothing for information) was offering something like one million USD for information leading to a POW. These people figured that if the POW was worth one million, then a finger should also be worth a few American dollars. Cannot count how many scams we got weekly including females who claimed to have married a POW and was keeping him safe just for us to pay her expenses to bring him in.

And a bit about George “Bud” Day and torture. He once told us in his class in Florida the story of an F100 fighter pilot who was shot down. At that time the F100 was low-tech and was used as kind of a spotter or some such. Heck, I do not even remember for sure what the jet was now but the story was that this pilot was frowned upon by his fellow POWs. They all thought he was a weasel and broke a little too quickly. Whenever there was a POW get together at a reunion, most of the guys would shun this pilot because they thought he was a coward.

Turns out this guy was a U2 pilot out of Europe and had the top security clearances the AF gave out. Big time stuff. The guy was scared that the Viets would break him and have access to the information that only he among the POWs had. He broke early and often to side track the Viets away from what would have been a huge intel coupe on their part. Got away with this for over five years.

The moral of the story is, as Colonel Day pointed out, best not second guess the torture that your fellow prisoners receive and the content of one’s soul to withstand the torture. He finished up by asking us who the really tough guy was among all those prisoners who were tortured.

Great story from the finest human I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. John McCain is a close friend of Bud Day. For me, that says it all.


20 posted on 09/24/2008 6:49:38 AM PDT by inthaihill (Teaching and loving my Chinese students in Sichuan, China)
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To: mnehrling
Anyone who believes this crock of crap is mentally deficient. Do you think Jesse Helms would have abandoned surviving POWs? Would Bob Smith? They signed off on everything that McCain signed off on.

McCain was not Chairman of the committee. He was not co-Chairman. He was a committee member along with every Vietnam vet in the Senate, save for Al Gore. It was not the first investigation into the POWS or even the second. It was the third and it happened 20 years after the war.

There was NO credible evidence that there were surviving POWs anywhere in SEA. There were rumors and outright lies from people who stood to gain from the frenzy. The committee chased thousands of these leads and found nothing. The report of the Select Committee is available online. It is a very balanced and fair assessment of the POW issue and worth a read.

21 posted on 09/24/2008 7:09:11 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
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To: ravingnutter

Ted Sampley.
Well, if this had any legs, soon we’d see a group of POW’s coming out against McCain....
Ping me when that happens.
As far as the hearings, John McCain, IMHO, was adamant that this country wouldn’t leave them behind. It wouldn’t fit in with his ideology of honor and duty.


22 posted on 09/24/2008 7:40:59 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Guys, keep in mind that FR was asking these same questions too. I remember the McCain threads on 2000 asking questions about his POW status and criticizing his military service. So don’t act all trifled over this.”

And this was a much more frequently heard topic from the early to mid-’90s. There is just nothing new here, and those items mentioned in “The Nation” were being mentioned during the early ‘90s.

But I do wonder how many of the dismissive posters actually watched the hearings in 1992-1993.


23 posted on 09/24/2008 8:35:21 AM PDT by Will88
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