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Father drops off 9 kids under safe haven law
Nebraska.tv ^ | 9/25/08 | AP

Posted on 09/25/2008 6:49:46 AM PDT by dware

Father drops off 9 kids under safe haven law

Associated Press - September 25, 2008 8:45 AM ET

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) - A hospital spokeswoman say nine children left at Creighton University Medical Center in Omaha by their father under the state's safe haven law were turned over to child protection services.

The spokeswoman says the children were left at the emergency room Wednesday night. She had no other details.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cpswatch; haven; law; safe

1 posted on 09/25/2008 6:49:48 AM PDT by dware
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To: dware

I think I am OK with this.

I wish a charity or like a church orphanage became responbsible for the children.


2 posted on 09/25/2008 6:53:32 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K

Yeah me too. He may just need some help and will come back though.


3 posted on 09/25/2008 6:55:04 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Mr. K

I think I am too..at least they are safe and unharmed.


4 posted on 09/25/2008 6:55:33 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: dware

If you are at the end of your rope, this is the best option. I don’t know if that is the case, but it is one of the reasons the safe haven laws are enacted.


5 posted on 09/25/2008 6:57:04 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Mr. K

I’d like more details before I commit fully to this, but on the surface, this action seems to be a good thing. It’s hard to know or understand what the man was thinking or going through because of lack of details, but given the fact that he surrendered them up to the emergency room, he was probably pretty desperate.

Hey, I’d much rather read this kind of story then the one where same man kills all 9 children.

God’s blessings on those kids.


6 posted on 09/25/2008 7:00:34 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: dware

Hope the kids get better than they had. Obviously, this is a family in crisis. And I pray that they can keep close to each other.


7 posted on 09/25/2008 7:00:39 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: dware

I guess Dick Van Patten was right...eight was enough.


8 posted on 09/25/2008 7:00:52 AM PDT by frankjr
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To: frankjr

I just hope they were all his and he didn’t take the wife or girl friend’s kids in too.


9 posted on 09/25/2008 7:04:00 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: HanneyBean
Hey, I’d much rather read this kind of story then the one where same man kills all 9 children.

Agreed. I am ok with it as well, and I hope those kids make it through the emotional trauma.

On the flip side, this is a sad commentary on the state of society today.

10 posted on 09/25/2008 7:04:42 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: Mr. K
I think I am OK with this.

Me too.

11 posted on 09/25/2008 7:05:06 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

I am VERY okay with this. As a foster parent, I know the alternative, leaving the children in that situation, would be far worse.


12 posted on 09/25/2008 7:06:40 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: dware

Mixed emotions. It breaks my heart, and yet, I’d rather see this happen than have read about their murder.

As an aside, we have two empty bedrooms at my house! :O)


13 posted on 09/25/2008 7:23:23 AM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: dware

I’m OK with this if all the kids are Americans. They range in age from 1-17.


14 posted on 09/25/2008 7:24:46 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: dware

OK with me....providing he deposited his 2 testicles at the front door!


15 posted on 09/25/2008 7:25:08 AM PDT by Bommer (Who was Obama's diction coach? Bevis or Butthead? Uhhhhhh.....)
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To: papasmurf
As an aside, we have two empty bedrooms at my house! :O)

Hmmm...need some cats?

16 posted on 09/25/2008 7:35:49 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: dware
This does not belong in the news. I think splashing the headline in the local paper discourages those in desperate need from making a heart-wrenching decision.
17 posted on 09/25/2008 7:37:12 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: dware
Nine children left at an Omaha hospital late Wednesday by their father under the state's new safe haven illustrates the problems many feared when the sweeping law went into effect.

Would they have preferred that he harmed them in some way?

I am certain that this is much less expensive than burying any number of children and incarcerating the parents for killing them.

These clowns might want to consider Susan Smith.

18 posted on 09/25/2008 8:00:01 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I have two dogs, and a cat. The cat is a nine year old Maine Coon, and, well, let's just say we are so very appreciative that he let's us stay in HIS house! LOL
19 posted on 09/25/2008 8:08:56 AM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: papasmurf

I understand entirely. Best of luck with your feline overlord.


20 posted on 09/25/2008 8:16:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: dware

Historically it is not unusual to find situations where a parent or couple has abandoned children they could not support to government authorities. These kids were terms orphans, although they weren’t technically. Charities cared for them, and in many cases exported them to other areas of the country, as in the orphan trains from New York City.

My father’s mother died when he was four years old and the oldest of three boys. It was during the depression and he could easily have been abandoned except that the extended family provided him with more than twenty sets of aunts and uncles who took turns taking in the boys until their dad remarried a few years later. Too many families don’t have that kind of support anymore and nine kids can be overwhelming to even a couple in a good situation.

I only hope the kids can be kept together.


21 posted on 09/25/2008 8:21:10 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Damifino

“This does not belong in the news. I think splashing the headline in the local paper discourages those in desperate need from making a heart-wrenching decision.”

On the other hand, if the Dems can just find this guy, they can turn him into a poster child for the mean Bush/McCain economy. Of course, once his usefulness was over, they would drop him like leftover chicken bones.


23 posted on 09/25/2008 8:32:32 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: dware

Thank GOD he didn’t kill them. GOD HELP THEM.


24 posted on 09/25/2008 8:49:31 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dware

I support safe haven laws for several reasons. First and foremost, it shows at least enough wisdom on the part of the parent to realize that they are unable to support their children any longer. The reasons for this are less important than the realization. Second, it shows they have the wisdom to move their children into a better situation immediately.

And while the first inclination is to suggest that such parents try to keep their children, because “there is a government program for that”, while it may be true, it ignores that loss of confidence and collapse of morale of the parent. If they felt they had the internal resources to fix things, or that the government could fix things, they would have tried that already.

There is an old medical rule of thumb that if someone thinks they are sick or have a problem, they probably do, even if it is not obvious. And a similar rule of thumb should be used in this case. If a parent does not think they can care for their children any more, the assumption should be that they can’t.

And this brings up some possibilities.

For example, the “prime homeless” are families that have been put out on the street. And most everybody sympathizes with them, because most will be able to quickly get their lives together with some support, get new jobs, find a place to live, and reintegrate with society.

But the adults having to support their kids, for a short time, makes things much, much harder. For this reason, the “safe haven” laws should have two routes: short term care in what amounts to an orphanage; and long term care in foster homes.

That is, the parents should be able to drop their kids off under a safe haven law, but on a temporary basis, until the parents can get organized and successful again. This will insure the children have a safe place to sleep, food, clothes and schooling for some months, in an institutional situation like an orphanage, while their parents get work.

The check on this will be an evaluation of the parents status once they think they can care for their children again. Only if they are determined to be economically sound will their children be returned to live with them.

The other safe haven law should be for family catastrophe. Say one or both parents are injured in an automobile accident, or are chronically or mentally ill, or have just given up and admitted to themselves that they cannot raise children.

And this would be to the foster care route used today.

Importantly, States across the US should have such laws in place ASAP, since we might be facing a serious economic downturn. For even though the parents may have to take the hit for Wall Street, it isn’t right that children have to do so as well.


25 posted on 09/25/2008 8:52:28 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: dware; Mr. K

Once upon a time - as late as the first part of the 20th century - many children who had living parents were brought up in orphanages because the parents simply couldn’t take care of them. I had a friend who grew up in a Catholic orphanage - she loved it and then joined the order when she was an adult!

One of the problems is that we have essentially destroyed the “orphanage” system, even though in many cases a good orphanage would be a better environment for these kids than living with their parents.


26 posted on 09/25/2008 9:04:11 AM PDT by livius
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To: dware

All three of our adopted children were abandoned by their birthparents, and given to the care of foreign orphanages.

I’m glad they were allowed to live and were given a second chance.


27 posted on 09/25/2008 9:09:49 AM PDT by keats5 ("I hope for his sake, Joe Biden got that VP thing in writing."- Rudy)
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To: dware

Wow, my father just used to threaten me with military school!


28 posted on 09/25/2008 9:14:26 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: dware

Those children will always remember how their father left them and never see him again. That will effects their emotional being for their rest of their lives. Many years of hurt and scar that they need to overcome. I hope they will get special counseling for the bad memories. My mother was dropped off as a baby many years ago and she is bitter about it. But she can’t control what happened to her. Good idea for the children to be safe but the same time have to deal with their emotionally for their rest of their lives.


29 posted on 09/25/2008 9:21:13 AM PDT by NorCoGOP ((borrowed from another Freeper) "They have Obama...we have Oh! MAMA!")
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To: Morgana
I am glad he did not harm them too. I only wish they would make churches safe havens too. I think people would feel better about dropping a child off there.

I know that some convents have a sort of turntable crib where a mother can drop off her newborn and leave it in a warm, safe place. A nun checks on the crib every 15 minutes and takes any babies left behind to the local hospital.

Ideal solution? No, but we don't live in an ideal world.

30 posted on 09/25/2008 9:21:29 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Ann Archy

God did help them.....they are alive, unharmed and being well care for , at least for now...... the system worked this time. My only bad feeling about this is those kids may, or may not, be separated as they are placed into foster homes etc ........ I have seen good and bad foster care operations when I was a deputy sheriff.

Doom on those that provide foster care for mere profit versus taking in a child in need and helping them recover from the events that led them there and help the child grow strong physically and mentally so they can continue to enjoy their childhood as they learn in a safe and secure environment to be self sufficient and intelligent young adults.

Just my opinion.....Stay safe Ann !


31 posted on 09/25/2008 9:23:47 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Doom on those that provide foster care for mere profit versus taking in a child in need and helping them recover from the events that led them there and help the child grow strong physically and mentally so they can continue to enjoy their childhood as they learn in a safe and secure environment to be self sufficient and intelligent young adults.

I don't know if I would condemn those people. If they are providing a safe, relatively stable environment for the kids they foster, then they are providing a needed service, regardless of their motivation. Not the ideal, certainly, but it's better than some of the alternatives.

32 posted on 09/25/2008 9:28:06 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Squantos

My “GOD HELP THEM” really meant what the kid’s will be feeling about what happened to them and their feelings about being abandoned. GOD HAS HELPED them, and HE WILL KEEP HELPING THEM!


33 posted on 09/25/2008 9:38:31 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Some of the ones I speak of were better only by sleeping in the dumpster versus next to the dumpsters. I was called to many times to remove children from 2nd level of the hell they escaped in the first place.

Sorry if my original post didn’t expand on such. There are good foster care systems thus I said and stand by my comment based on personal experience .....doom on those that do such for mere profit. Versus providing “proper care and comfort” to a troubled and frightened displaced child.


34 posted on 09/25/2008 9:41:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: dware

I am OK with it as well. At least the children are safe.. and didn’t turn up inside car in a lake.


35 posted on 09/25/2008 10:00:19 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: Morgana

If they did that, the church might actually PRAY for the kids and tell them about GOD. We CAN’T have such behavior!!! /s


36 posted on 09/25/2008 11:34:13 AM PDT by RightFighter (That Sarah Palin. She's so hot right now!)
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To: caseinpoint
Historically it is not unusual to find situations where a parent or couple has abandoned children they could not support to government authorities.

My son's birth-mother did just that, in Russia. He was delivered at home, brought immediately to a hospital as he was 4-6 weeks premature, and she never saw him again.

37 posted on 09/25/2008 12:06:34 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

I’d rather read about this than about an obituary for an abandoned baby, or one which has died from abuse (including abortion). The reality is that parenthood is a demanding, unrelenting job and some people reach the point that, in spite of their best efforts and many legitimate reasons, can’t handle it. If they realize they are a danger to themselves or their kids, the safe haven laws are a real benefit. Good for them.


38 posted on 09/25/2008 12:22:21 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: NorCoGOP

I just saw a film called Gumby Dharma about Art Clokey, the guy who created the Gumby series.

He was abandoned as a little boy when his Mom had an affair with a policeman and she took her daughters with her and moved to California, telling Art that he had to wait in the house until his Father came home from a business conference.

He lived with his Father for one year, then his dad was killed in a car wreck.

He went to live with his Mom and sisters, then the cop told his Mom after one week that she had to choose either the cop or her son. The cop hated Art because he looked like his Father, whom he had taken his (now-wife) away from.

The Mom chose the cop, and sent Art to an orphanage. It was hell for him until he was adopted a year later by Dr. Clokey, and his life was wonderful after that.

But it really damaged him...I just cannot fathom a woman leaving her son the first time, then...a year later, abandoning him at an orphanage.

Ed


39 posted on 09/25/2008 12:42:52 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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