Skip to comments.Say what? Obama admits dual (USA and Kenyan) citizenship??
Posted on 09/25/2008 9:32:10 PM PDT by dascallie
[This happens one day after the deadline to respond to the Phillip Berg lawsuit claiming Obama is ineligible to run for POTUS because of citizenship ineligibility (http://obamacrimes.com/)--Obama has not produced an authentic US birth certificate( we know the one posted is fraudulent with his name photoshopped over his indonesian half sister's name....the plot thickens. Read below...the post just published tonight, draw your own conclusions]
Obama Admits Dual Citizenship September 25, 2008 by texasdarlin Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:
From Fight the Smears
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasnt wrong. Likewise, I wasnt wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Dont take any bets that Im wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.
Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesnt affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a Natural Born Citizen, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be Natural Born. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a Naturalized Citizen because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I havent moved an inch on it.
However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN? The Senator isnt saying, isnt mentioning it, is trying to avoid producing any Paperwork at all. Why? If he is/was an Indonesian Citizen, too, the Senators entire narrative is a fiction and he should be ashamed of himself.
Hes lied about Kenya, at least by omission, for months/years, so why should I assume he isnt lying about Indonesia? Note Kenyan Citizenship automatically lapses if it isnt renewed at age 21, Indonesian Citizenship doesnt. If he was an Indonesian Citizen he would have to actively repudiate that Citizenship. Did he? Has he? Because if he hasnt, Senator Obama is Dual National Indonesian at this moment, subject to the Laws of BOTH Countries, equally.
That is true under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen. It does not matter that the Senator was not Responsible for the change of Citizenship because he was a child when it happened. Governor Schwarzenegger was not Responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria, or that under Austrian Law he is not a US Citizen, or under the US Law and Rules he is not a Citizen of Austria.
Senator Obama needs to produce his Paperwork, all of it, not just a Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, but all his other Paperwork too.
So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case. In turn, that means that as he lied about his Kenyan and British Citizenships he is probably lying about his Indonesian Citizenship.
I do not suppose that it was ever his intention to give up his US Citizenship and it does not matter to me one bit. It doesnt matter to Indonesia either. If Lolo Soetoro adopted him he ceased to be a US Citizen in the mid 1960s, BY INDONESIAN LAW. He also ceased to be a Kenyan Citizen, BY INDONESIAN LAW. By Kenyan and US Law he retained his Original Citizenships, until his 21st Birthday. By Indonesian Law he could have given up Indonesian Citizenship at age 18, but did he? If he didnt he was, albeit accidentally, displaying a Legal Intention to void his US Citizenship, since he knew he could not Legally hold both Citizenships.
Please dont tell me that the US doesnt have to concern itself with the Laws of Indonesia because, in this case, the US does have to do so. By the way, under US Law of another time the Senator would not have been a US Citizen at all, and he knows that.
If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS because they previously held another Citizenship it is egregious, so far as I am concerned, that a Dual Citizen/Former Dual Citizen should claim to have a Legal Right to do so. I refer the reader to my Articles on Dual Citizenship and ask you to read the quotes from Blackstone. [TD NOTE: I will be re-posting all of Judah's work shortly].
This new material at Fight the Smears displays arrogance, hubris and bad faith, in my opinion. It is the Senators reaction to Phillip Bergs Law Suit, and, basically, it amounts to an open admission of mens rea. He is flaunting his bad faith and in so doing destroys his own case.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
ping to you as well.
“”However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN?””
Well, yeah, that always was the main and obvious point,
but that didn’t prevent lunatic PUMAS from fantasizing about how his mother could have flown to Nairobi to give birth to Barry O’Java.
US law considers him a citizen of the US. Whether other countries also choose to consider him a citizen is irrelevant.
There are only two categories of citizen: natural born and naturalized. There is no "neither of the above" category.
He is a citizen, and he did not have to be naturalized. Therefore he is a natural-born US citizen.
Flipping amazing! He is not qualified to hold the office!
Please pass the popcorn.
Obama admits he made a 3 week trip to Pakistan in/around 1980-81 as he started Columbia. There must be a record if he used a U.S. Passport or did he use ANOTHER PASSPORT??
Something really stinks, in fact, Obama’s entire story totally reeks like a rotting fish!
Obama HUSSEIN! Who Are You Really????????
Where there is smoke, sometimes there is fire. Nonetheless, this article did not persuade me that Obama has a citizenship problem. On the other hand, Obama has not been forthright about his birth certificate and by not quickly putting an end to that controversy, he leaves himself vulnerable to rumors and innuendo on other related things.
I’m sorry but I don’t buy the idea that someone could get this far in the process and not have something as fundamental as a citizenship reveled. Hilary and company have spectacular opposition researchers and will do anything to win. If there was any sort of meat to this they’d have been all over this. So would the McCain campaign. You can bet that thousands of man hours have been invested by those campaigns to follow up all rumors. And you can bet that various media outlets have spent thousands of hours looking for proof.
If he was born on US soil, he’s a US citizen. Or that’s what 8 million Mexican kids claim, at least....
That would be a ‘game changer’ for sure....lol
Honestly..I am glad patriots are looking into this stuff..but I would rather have this country wake the hell up to his Marxist ideas and reject them in a landslide!!
The stakes are high...no doubt about it!
You're absolutely right. Hillary's ability to dig up and even manufacture dirt is unrivaled. I think the fact that even she hasn't touched this proves that there's nothing there. I wouldn't even be surprised if her crew could prove that Obama is a natural born citizen. But of course they'd never release that proof.
Other than the fact that some unnamed so-called “experts,” none of whom whom have ever seen let alone examined the original Birth Certificate document say it's phony, there is not one shred of evidence that it is.
The Honolulu Advertiser printed a birth announcement when it happened. Neighbors remember the mother bring the baby home.
The fact that his father was Kenyan is entirely moot. His father could have been from Rigel 4 with Klingon grandparents and their laws would have no effect here. The fact that the US does not recognize dual citizenship does not cancel his US statue.
The Indonesian issue is the same. Unless an adult Obama personally renounced his citizenship before certain US officials, the Indonesian action is meaningless.
This is all Legal Lunacy... and Malignant Mental Masturbation.
It is designed to keep us away from the real issues; his moral, ethical, criminal and political associations and history.
You Are Totally Correct. See #19
“Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.â”
Dual citizeship DISQUALIFIES you from running for POTUS. PERIOD. There is NO room for sqeeking thru. Obama is DONE.
Will Hillary step in?
Interesting post. To date I have seen no evidence where Hussein was born. IMHO Barry has some explaining to do as we do have a Constitution.
bump for later reference
Then quit masturbating over each of these threads. No one, and I mean no one cares that you don’t care.
I would typically agree...if they were in Arkansas still. But when you have the Chicago Thug politics and George Soros as your financial backer, I believe anything is possible. Money does alot of things even win elections and even can shut people up. My point is, this is the first time a candidate with such a flimsy resume is actually running for President. This presidential race has been a roller coaster and I would not put anything pass the loony LEFT!
“Obamas entire story totally reeks like a rotting fish!”
That’s not his story you smell.
Hillary’s minions have been shouting about this for MONTHS.
Hopefully Hillary will bring an October surprise of proof.....I don’t think the clintons would vote for Obama
This issue is not distracting me from other Obama issues.
The Fed bailout was filled with billions of dollars to ACORN.
I can multi-task.
Also, his Kenyan relatives related the story that he was born in Kenya.
I would like to know the story if it ever comes out.
That is why I bump these threads as well the other Obama socialist, criminal, drug using, vote stealing, gay sex having, kill whitey, Ayers, Dorn, Annenberg, and Wright threads.
He entered Pakistan on an Indonesian passport at age 20. He had until age 21 to take the Oath of Allegiance to the US to retain his US citizenship. No record can be found of his ever doing so, nor has he or any of his ‘Bots ever given any information about where and when this might have occurred.
You can bet that various media have avoided the subject like the plague, being in the tank as they are.
Oil korrekt up to the last line. He’s disqualified from ever being POTUS or VPOTUS again.
Did some research. I was wrong - the law on this point is not clear. Sigh.
For Moslems (Muslims, whatever; it’s all optional phonetic transcription of Arabic) gay sex is OK, as long as it’s on Thursdays and you don’t fall in love.
Not kidding. YCLIU.
Did some research. I was wrong - the law on this point is not clear. Sigh.
Ignore Mindbender. He/she/it just daydreams about kneepadding for Obama.
Nodding, my post was addressed to him, but meant for all.
“You can bet that thousands of man hours have been invested by those campaigns to follow up all rumors. And you can bet that various media outlets have spent thousands of hours looking for proof.”
You’re forgetting the track record of Freepers in being first to figure out the truth.
Are you referring to this? Scroll down to 'Barack' on RHS for video
Calling her a neighbour is a bit of a stretch IMO.
Considering the Indonesian passport, and lack of Oath of Allegiance ceremony, I think not only is Ruh-Roh not a natural-born citizen, he may actually be an undocumented illegal alien!
Perhaps he can apply for amnesty.
what he needs to go down on is his past, the “missing years”.
this birth certificate thing, maybe valid, but it is deflecting attention off of his marxist/terrorist ties and philosophy.
You never will. He has no bellybutton.
He was reproduced by fission, like all malignant bacteria.
The list of subjects about Ruh-Roh for which there is no, or only withheld and hidden, documentation is as long as your arm. This is the Stealth Candidate par excellence.
Pay no attention to the ghoul behind the flashing mirrors!
Count Us Out PUMAs for McCain / Palin
Obama Covers His Tracks
Barack Obama apparently wishes his two autobiographies to be the definitive record of his past. He has blocked efforts by others who wish to independently examine his past.
He wont allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.
He lost his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy (see Where in the World is Obamas Missing Thesis which might provide insight regarding his seeming lack of knowledge about Soviet policy during the Kennedy years).
He wont answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School.
He lost his Illinois Senate records.
He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition.
He wont release his application to the state bar, which, as National Reviews Jim Geraghty notes raises questions about whether he told the truth about parking tickets and drug use, among other issues.
He wont disclose list of his clients from his law firm days or the nature of the work he did for them as a lawyer (his clients include the indicted political fixer Tony Rezko).
He walks away from uncomfortable questions about Rezko at a news conference.
His cultists try to shut down inquiry into his stewardship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by sliming a journalist investigating his days at the helm of that group, which blew through $100 million dollars with no discernible benefit for the schools and students that it was putatively designed to help (what does the constitutional law lecturer say to the chilling of free speech by his acolytes?).
He tries to muddle his long-standing ties with Pastor Wright by producing a version of his attendance record at Trinity Church that is sharply at variance with previous versions he has given (Obama Re-invents his Trinity Church History).
The Wall Street Journal joins the battle over Obamas past in todays editorial (Obamas Lost Years): ...
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