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Who participates in focus groups?
me | 9-26-08 | me

Posted on 09/26/2008 9:07:29 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach

I'm rather skeptical as to whether or not the composition of focus groups is truly reflective of the electorate, or of "undecided" voters. CNN and Fox News both had such groups featured tonight.

How are these groups put together? Do the participants get paid? I would imagine that they do. Is that truly reflective of the electorate?

I know that the little focus group meters they have seemed off. When McCain was sticking it to Obama, it seemed like the GOP line never really went up that high. Like, for example, when the debate turned to spending and McCain called for a spending freeze. One would think the average GOP voter would love that. It didn't seem to register that much.

Basically, I think those groups are a crock and their results are impacted by the self selection that occurs when people sign up to participate. I really wonder how many taxpayers are in those groups, as well as how many were truly Republicans or Independents.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debate; debates; focusgroups; frankluntz; mccain; mccainpalin; obama; plants; undecidedvoters

1 posted on 09/26/2008 9:07:29 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Who has the time? Drunks. The unemployable. Angry loners. You know, Democrats.


2 posted on 09/26/2008 9:08:59 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I got invited to a day-long focus group for IBM (new product concept) once and got paid $1,000. I dount these political groups pay though, probably people do it because it’s an interesting thing to do.


3 posted on 09/26/2008 9:09:25 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Focus Group... isn’t that kind of...nevermind.


4 posted on 09/26/2008 9:09:55 PM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Maybe at one time you could get an unbiased sample. But like CSPAN callers, once the DEM thugs figure out how to game the system, they stack the deck with a vengeance.

I’ve seen in the past Luntz let on that he knows that sometimes they are unable to weed the plants out.


5 posted on 09/26/2008 9:09:56 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I participated in a focus group for the Atlanta Falcons once when they were showing us possible designs for new uniforms and new logos.


6 posted on 09/26/2008 9:10:11 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: TheWasteLand

Those colored lines on CNN made no sense to me. Who could even tell which way they were moving??


7 posted on 09/26/2008 9:10:18 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Usually, they sign these clowns up when they are about to be released from rehab. They don’t have a job anymore so they’re always available.


8 posted on 09/26/2008 9:10:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barack Hussein Osama is a liar.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Well, the FOX focus group consisted of people vacationing in Las Vegas. That would tend to over-represent people who aren’t very conservative.


9 posted on 09/26/2008 9:10:49 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (You can put lipstick on a donkey, but it's still just a jackass.)
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To: TheWasteLand
Who has the time? Drunks. The unemployable. Angry loners. You know, Democrats.

Well, since you said it. :-)
10 posted on 09/26/2008 9:11:24 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Harry Wurzbach

journalist.


11 posted on 09/26/2008 9:12:24 PM PDT by Porterville (Im no economist- getting a PHD in economics wasn't economical... it didn' make cents.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

You can volunteer at Luntz’s website. He’ll never call me because I’m too partisan.


12 posted on 09/26/2008 9:13:00 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Um people sent from the Obama headquarters who lie and claim to be undecideds or independents. Haven’t you caught on yet watching Frank Luntz’s fraudulent focus groups?


13 posted on 09/26/2008 9:13:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Well, it seems that all think that these focus groups are not a random sample. If the group is supposed to reflect divisions in the electorate, then it’s hard to get them to do that.


14 posted on 09/26/2008 9:13:41 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Harry Wurzbach

You could be right. It’s odd that that many people could be won over by Obama that easily. He wasn’t horrible tonight, but he was far from inspiring and McCain showed he was far more knowledgable than him.


15 posted on 09/26/2008 9:13:50 PM PDT by GeeMoney (Hey Obama, it's God BLESS America!)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
Who participates in focus groups?

Stupid people.

16 posted on 09/26/2008 9:16:05 PM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
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17 posted on 09/26/2008 9:17:15 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I caught the end of a focus group on FoxNews after the debate. The participants were asked to use one word to describe each candidate. All began using positive words for Obama and negative for McCain. When one man praised McCain with the word “leader”, the others interrupted him to criticize McCain. That makes me wonder about the selection of these people, too.


18 posted on 09/26/2008 9:18:03 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: GeeMoney

The CNN focus group was in Columbus, OH. The county there has gone Democrat in the last 3 presidential elections. A blue county in a sea of red, as CNN so helpfully pointed out. Naturally the “focus group” found that Obama won the debate and that Obama would win the election, by 60% to 40% or thereabouts.

Rather suspicious, to say the least.


19 posted on 09/26/2008 9:18:25 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Harry Wurzbach

The idea of a little dial to signal your approval when a candidate says something is stupid. That just measures an emotional response, people make judgments based on a number of factors, it’s a poor way to measure anything and just an idiot’s gimmick.


20 posted on 09/26/2008 9:20:02 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Luntz’ group on Fox started cheering for their candidate and talking their talking point.

Good job picking out “undecideds” there Frank.

/sarcasm


21 posted on 09/26/2008 9:21:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

My own view is that these “undecideds” are a bunch of congenital liars. And I didn’t buy their take on the debate either. I think they often say what they believe they “should” say to please the peer group. If they truly wanted a “focus” group, each person would be left alone in a sound proof booth and then cast a secret ballot.


22 posted on 09/26/2008 9:21:47 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Harry Wurzbach

They’re a joke. They’re supposed to be undecided voters, yet they always have blacks on these panels. Gimme a break.. there is no statistically significant number of undecided blacks this election year.

One focus panel of “undecideds” was busted for being loaded with Code Pinkers.


23 posted on 09/26/2008 9:22:49 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Harry Wurzbach
Psst..They are called plants...


24 posted on 09/26/2008 9:25:01 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
"Who participates in focus groups?"

S.E.I.U. members; the most radical marxist union in the US

25 posted on 09/26/2008 9:26:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: xzins

Funny. Luntz just showed a clip of Obama with the GOP line going up up up.

Now he’s talking to the people. Seems like a bunch of tards.


26 posted on 09/26/2008 9:27:41 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Chet 99

Given the overwhelming track record of blacks to vote democratic, there is less than a 10% chance a black voter is truly undecided.


27 posted on 09/26/2008 9:27:46 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Greta just asked Luntz “how do you find these people?”

Response: calls and ‘internet surveys’ who were willing to consider both candidates.

lol.


28 posted on 09/26/2008 9:29:23 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Thane_Banquo
"Well, the FOX focus group consisted of people vacationing in Las Vegas"

There may have been a few vacationers in the group, but it was obvious from their clothing, and general appearance that a large percentage were casino employees.

29 posted on 09/26/2008 9:30:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

One woman judged the debate by saying McCain looked old, and some other guy said McCain looked like George W. Bush. Clearly, these are intelligent, well-informed voters LOL !!


30 posted on 09/26/2008 9:30:59 PM PDT by WillT
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Just now on Fox Luntz asked 2 “undecideds” about McCain:

“He looked so old.”

“He kept sounding like George Bush and using his hand movements.”

So OBVIOUSLY Dem talking points and not undecided. I can’t believe they put this guy Luntz on. What a snake in the grass.


31 posted on 09/26/2008 9:32:05 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
"Who participates in focus groups?"

Someone with an agenda, one way or another.

32 posted on 09/26/2008 9:34:07 PM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: xzins

Yeah, John McCain reminds me of Bush, especially with those hand gestures !! Dolts


33 posted on 09/26/2008 9:34:09 PM PDT by WillT
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To: WillT

I agree. Those Luntz “independent” voters were a fraud.


34 posted on 09/26/2008 9:34:53 PM PDT by Carolyn826
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To: WillT

I agree. Those Luntz “independent” voters were a fraud.


35 posted on 09/26/2008 9:34:54 PM PDT by Carolyn826
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To: Harry Wurzbach

That group of Frank Luntz is RIDICULOUS! To say they are undecided, and then for them to give those responses, is unbelievable. Frank must think we are stupid to believe them, and him.

Oh, just because they PROMISED they were undecided and they PROMISED they were open to voting for McCain or Obama, we know they are truly undecided.

Yeah, right Frank. What an idiot.


36 posted on 09/26/2008 9:37:11 PM PDT by jporcus
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I just heard Lutz claiming how this group were truly undecideds. Bull...I mean who is an undecided voter? Does anybody get this far in the election cycle and really not have a leaning toward one candidate or the other? And if they do...why are we paying any attention to them because they’re dumb bunnies, IMHO. (Glenn Beck used to have a song parody he played call True American A#@holes: Mr. Undecided Voter...and it was very on target.)

I think Lutz gets folks who say they’re undecided...how does he truly know, hook them up to a lie detector????


37 posted on 09/26/2008 9:38:01 PM PDT by Dawn531
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To: Harry Wurzbach

As Rush says, “show me a moderate and I’ll show you a liberal.”


38 posted on 09/26/2008 9:39:05 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: Carolyn826

I thought the CNN focus group was more deceptive. A group of “undecideds” in a Democrat county. Right. My mom always claims to be an independent and open-minded. Yet she is the most anti-Republican person I know.


39 posted on 09/26/2008 9:39:34 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: RichardW

Secret wouldn’t help if they weren’t truly undecided.

What is an undecided?

It is not a “leaner.” It is certainly not a “supporter.” It also is not a “voted X in the past few elections.”


40 posted on 09/26/2008 9:40:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Dawn531

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41 posted on 09/26/2008 9:40:48 PM PDT by roses of sharon (The MSM vampires must die!)
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To: xzins

Agree; that focus group was obviously tainted. There is no way anyone there was truly an indepent “willing to consider both candidates.”

Everyone in that room had already made up their minds before the debate.


42 posted on 09/26/2008 9:40:49 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: WillT
Clearly, these are intelligent, well-informed voters LOL !!

Exactly! LOL! I've never understood why these so-called "undecided" voters are held in such high esteem at this stage in the process. I mean, c'mon, if you don't know who you're going to vote for by now, do everyone a favor and stay away from the polls.

And yet they continue to parade these "undecided" voters as if they are some prudent, scholarly sage, carefully pondering the subtle intricacies between each contender.

43 posted on 09/26/2008 9:43:32 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Harry Wurzbach
I used to participate in focus groups in 1986-87 and I got paid too, usually it was around $50-75 for about an hour of my time. Then my husband started getting calls and he was offered twice what I was, that's when I stopped. I guess his opinion was worth more money then mine!

And no my husband did not participate.

44 posted on 09/26/2008 9:48:43 PM PDT by Shadraq
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To: xzins

The peer pressure can influence people’s views and we will never know if they were truly undecided. As I believe there are very few actual undecides I believe they are either lying, badly misinformed or downright ignorant.


45 posted on 09/26/2008 9:58:07 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Hmmm...how about
Foci


46 posted on 09/26/2008 9:59:50 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
Two of Luntz's so-called "undecided voters" said that McCain was "stuttering" and "bumbling" last night.

I have filed Luntz and his phony "undecideds" under


47 posted on 09/27/2008 5:01:06 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I watched the focus group on Fox last night and had exactly the same reaction you did. How do we really know these people are undecided? Anyone can claim to have voted a certain way in the past and insist they are undecided. It’s just another media device that has no value.


48 posted on 09/27/2008 5:10:17 AM PDT by yazoo
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To: Harry Wurzbach

After I retired, I was paid as a consultant to conduct focus groups.

When you have good composite groups, the results are usually very accurate and predictive of what is happening in the real world.

Of course reality often isn’t wanted by businesses or politicians, so they will seed or plant their people in focus groups. When this happens, the focus group becomes an extension of the politician or business and reality goes out the window.

The rats in Luntz’s so called focus groups are like the rat programmed seminar callers to Rush’s and Sean’s programs. They claim to be republicans or independents, and the reality is they are life long rats. So they will initiate and control the responses of the so called groups. They are also like the Trolls on Free Republic with their BS of “I have been a Republican until they left me. Or, I voted for GW for governor and twice for president, and I left him and the party because he declared war on the whole world.

Re payment, sometimes it is a lunch or dinner and a token payment. Sometimes lunch or dinner in a plush restaurant with a very good payment or gift certificate. Depending on the groups, I authorized checks at the end of the session from $25 to $1,000 and sometimes just the lunch or dinner was the “pay”!

I wouldn’t waste my time watching a debate focus group on ABCNNBCBS or Fox.


49 posted on 09/27/2008 8:07:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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